Two policemen executed for Brown/Garner

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by dude1394

http://www.city-journal.org/2014/eon1222hm.html

"Since last summer, a lie has overtaken significant parts of the country, resulting in growing mass hysteria. That lie holds that the police pose a mortal threat to black Americans—indeed that the police are the greatest threat facing black Americans today. Several subsidiary untruths buttress that central myth: that the criminal-justice system is biased against blacks; that the black underclass doesn’t exist; and that crime rates are comparable between blacks and whites—leaving disproportionate police action in minority neighborhoods unexplained without reference to racism. The poisonous effect of those lies has now manifested itself in the cold-blooded assassination of two NYPD officers.
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The New York Times ratcheted up its already stratospheric level of anti-cop polemics. In an editorial justifying the Ferguson riots, the Times claimed that “the killing of young black men by police is a common feature of African-American life and a source of dread for black parents from coast to coast.” Some facts: Police killings of blacks are an extremely rare feature of black life and are a minute fraction of black homicide deaths. The police could end all killings of civilians tomorrow and it would have no effect on the black homicide risk, which comes overwhelmingly from other blacks. In 2013, there were 6,261 black homicide victims in the U.S.—almost all killed by black civilians—resulting in a death risk in inner cities that is ten times higher for blacks than for whites. None of those killings triggered mass protests; they are deemed normal and beneath notice. The police, by contrast, according to published reports, kill roughly 200 blacks a year, most of them armed and dangerous, out of about 40 million police-civilian contacts a year. Blacks are in fact killed by police at a lower rate than their threat to officers would predict. In 2013, blacks made up 42 percent of all cop killers whose race was known, even though blacks are only 13 percent of the nation’s population. The percentage of black suspects killed by the police nationally is 29 percent lower than the percentage of blacks mortally threatening them."

Joe bob says check it out.

Irony: the same people condemning those exercising their 1st Amendment right to free speech are generally the strongest advocates for the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms.

To blame the dialogue about police brutality for the deaths of these two is to be NO different than those who accuse all police officers of being racist.

[DirkFTW]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Irony: the same people condemning those exercising their 1st Amendment right to free speech are generally the strongest advocates for the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms.

They have the freedom to say what they want, which they are clearly exercising. The rest of us also have the freedom to point out the rank hypocrisy and idiocy of what's said. And when what's said is "We want dead cops," the rest of us have the freedom to condemn this as hateful rhetoric that incited violence and to demand accountability.

Irony: the same people supporting the 1st Amendment rights of the protesters are generally the ones wanting to silence any criticism of the protesters.

Calling for dead cops is evil and insane. And I think it's odd that when a white cop kills a black man, black people attack Asians and Hispanics. (See also 1992 LA Riots.) It almost seems racist...

[mcsluggo]

Originally Posted by DirkFTW

They have the freedom to say what they want, which they are clearly exercising. The rest of us also have the freedom to point out the rank hypocrisy and idiocy of what's said. And when what's said is "We want dead cops," the rest of us have the freedom to condemn this as hateful rhetoric that incited violence and to demand accountability.

Irony: the same people supporting the 1st Amendment rights of the protesters are generally the ones wanting to silence any criticism of the protesters.

Calling for dead cops is evil and insane. And I think it's odd that when a white cop kills a black man, black people attack Asians and Hispanics. (See also 1992 LA Riots.) It almost seems racist...

Straw man much??

basically 99.994% of the population will agree that "We want dead cops" rhetoric is disgusting, and they hate it. This would include about 99.9% of teh people that support or even join in the Fergusun or Staten Island protests



For what its worth, i don't particularly support either group of protestors, and think they are poor example to use as the "poster children" for people that want to point out incidences of police misconduct ----- but i think it is downright moronic to tar those groups by pointing to the action of one psychopath that has clearly been inching towards this inglorious moment in the sun for years.

[DirkFTW]

Originally Posted by mcsluggo

i think it is downright moronic to tar those groups by pointing to the action of one psychopath that has clearly been inching towards this inglorious moment in the sun for years.

See also, gun control movement; Giffords shooting. Sorry, I must have missed a rule change.

I also bet 99.994% of the population will agree that police brutality is disgusting, and they hate it. This would include about 99.9% of the people that oppose the Ferguson or Staten Island protests, including the cops that are trying to maintain order in cities across this country.

But this "us v. the system" mess is getting way out of control. I'm not even sure what they're fighting for. Disarming cops? No cops? Racial quotas in arrests? Mob justice instead of grand juries?

Why don't we start with: 1) scaling way back on overreaching laws that create the opportunity for the state to intrude in people's lives, 2) taking away all the grenades and APCs from local law enforcement, 3) adding cameras to preserve a record of police activity, 4) eliminating no-knock warrants, and 5) restricting the application of state and prosecutorial immunity. We could probably use an update in use of force procedures for executing warrants as well (e.g., don't throw flashbangs into baby cribs).

Oh wait, Al Sharpton would not be necessary, so this can't be right.