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Janett_Reno · 02-11-2008, 06:44 PM

Dirk needs a center to play in the game. A problem is, other coaches and teams and Avery is making Dirk the center. Now everyone dunks and layups on us.

1.Avery won't play our centers against teams that run us. We normally will lose.

2.We have no shooting guard.

3.We have no one besides Harris that will play in the painted area. Dirk tries sometimes.

4.We have no back up pg against running teams or good stand still defensive teams.

5.Harris is hurt.

To remedy our problems. Get a back up pg. Barea is a midget and is not consistent. Terry is a shooter, so we have no one to break down a defense besides Harris. Dirk does, if he has room to operate and someone getting him the ball at the right times. Get a shooting guard. Avery doesn't like Hassel, Eddie Jones has nothing left, Stackhouse is a bomber like Terry. Get a Maggette or Mike Miller. Atleast Miller will shoot a good %, is tall, and he will also go to the basket and dunk the ball or layup. Yes, his defense is lacking but we are either playing midgets out front or 40 year olds that can't move anymore and none of them besides Hassell can play defense out front for us now(Terry, Stack or Jones).

We need a big tall phyiscal player in the middle that can score. That guy from Wash we tried to get would have been good, Blatche or whatever his name is. The problem is everyone wants Harris and Howard. Those are our big time players, along with Dirk. Instead of going with more defense, taller, physical, Avery goes smaller, less defense and plays Don Nelson style. Why?

Alot of teams in the nba, along with Avery is taking our two centers out of the game and making Dirk center. That is the wrong way for Dallas to play. We do not need to match to other teams but make them match to us. We aren't and yes this is Averys fault. Look at last nights fast break points and in the paint points again. We lose. We also need Harris back bad as he makes us go.

Locked_Up_Tonight · 02-11-2008, 06:58 PM

But since Avery is going to force Dirk as the center for this team... we might as well trade Dirk because he will never succeed as a center. Or the Mavs will never succeed with Dirk as the center.

LSMF · 02-11-2008, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Janett_Reno

Dirk needs a center to play in the game. A problem is, other coaches and teams and Avery is making Dirk the center. Now everyone dunks and layups on us.

1.Avery won't play our centers against teams that run us. We normally will lose.

2.We have no shooting guard.

3.We have no one besides Harris that will play in the painted area. Dirk tries sometimes.

4.We have no back up pg against running teams or good stand still defensive teams.

5.Harris is hurt.

To remedy our problems. Get a back up pg. Barea is a midget and is not consistent. Terry is a shooter, so we have no one to break down a defense besides Harris. Dirk does, if he has room to operate and someone getting him the ball at the right times. Get a shooting guard. Avery doesn't like Hassel, Eddie Jones has nothing left, Stackhouse is a bomber like Terry. Get a Maggette or Mike Miller. Atleast Miller will shoot a good %, is tall, and he will also go to the basket and dunk the ball or layup. Yes, his defense is lacking but we are either playing midgets out front or 40 year olds that can't move anymore and none of them besides Hassell can play defense out front for us now(Terry, Stack or Jones).

We need a big tall phyiscal player in the middle that can score. That guy from Wash we tried to get would have been good, Blatche or whatever his name is. The problem is everyone wants Harris and Howard. Those are our big time players, along with Dirk. Instead of going with more defense, taller, physical, Avery goes smaller, less defense and plays Don Nelson style. Why?

Alot of teams in the nba, along with Avery is taking our two centers out of the game and making Dirk center. That is the wrong way for Dallas to play. We do not need to match to other teams but make them match to us. We aren't and yes this is Averys fault. Look at last nights fast break points and in the paint points again. We lose. We also need Harris back bad as he makes us go.

What i think is that we're unstoppable when we are pushing the ball and passing unselfishly (see games 1 and 2 of the nba finals 2006), when we set up the offense for isolations and only jumpshots we usually lose. We need a center or a SG badly, if you look closely you can see that we are playing 3 on 5 on the offensive end most times, defenses only respect harris, howard, and dirk no one else. I think the mavs should try and get Kellena azubuike(SG) from the warriors or brendan haywood(C) from the wizards. Either one of these will give us scoring and defense that we desperately need.

Locked_Up_Tonight · 02-11-2008, 09:50 PM

Come on Cubes... make the move. Get a legit low post player for Avery instead of trying to make Dirk the low post player.

skylive321 · 02-11-2008, 09:51 PM

We like our Team!

horse900703 · 02-11-2008, 09:53 PM

Come on Mavs fans~~
whats the point if u trade dirk? would you still like the mavs?
only reason I like the Mavs because of Dirk !!!!! WAKE UP guys!!!

Locked_Up_Tonight · 02-11-2008, 09:56 PM

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whats the point if u trade dirk? would you still like the mavs?

The point of trading Dirk is to make the Mavs BETTER. And my favorite player at one time was Jamal Mashburn. I was pissed when he got moved but if you are a fan... you are a fan.

horse900703 · 02-11-2008, 09:59 PM

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The point of trading Dirk is to make the Mavs BETTER. And my favorite player at one time was Jamal Mashburn. I was pissed when he got moved but if you are a fan... you are a fan.

Come on is not only dirk!!!!

dude1394 · 02-11-2008, 09:59 PM

How would trading dirk make the mavs better?

Locked_Up_Tonight · 02-11-2008, 10:03 PM

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How would trading dirk make the mavs better?

Because the Mavs aren't using his scoring. They need a legit low post player who can score inside and also defend the paint... since Dirk is the center. That will make the Mavs better.

ShaggyDirk · 02-11-2008, 10:05 PM

Dirk for Kpbe!

dude1394 · 02-11-2008, 10:07 PM

Why would anyone trade for dirk since his scoring isn't useful? Sounds nutty to me.

Who you gonna get for dirk anyway that's gong to be such a stud in the paint scorer? Dirk looks fine to me(not shooting well but no one is), our point guard play is pathetic imo. We don't get any fast break points, we don't push the ball and when jasons' out there the other team blitzes him.

Dirkadirkastan · 02-11-2008, 10:08 PM

I think we've gotten to the point where everyone already knows Locked_Up_Tonight's opinion, so him rehashing the same mantra over and over without saying anything new won't really accomplish anything.

Locked_Up_Tonight · 02-11-2008, 10:15 PM

Yeah Dirk.... we like our team. Instead of actually changing the team, including looking at trading the star.

The Mavs have plateaued. Whether we as fans have liked it or not. So the only way to get better is to trade away something.

And who on the Mavs is a big asset? The Mavs have none. Except Dirk.

dude1394 · 02-11-2008, 10:18 PM

Trading dirk wouldn't be to get better it would be to tear it down to the nub and start over.

Locked_Up_Tonight · 02-11-2008, 10:22 PM

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Trading dirk wouldn't be to get better it would be to tear it down to the nub and start over.

Well.... and maybe the Mavs will have to do it. Do you feel they can win an NBA championship with this roster right now? Obviously Cuban does.

dude1394 · 02-11-2008, 10:24 PM

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Well.... and maybe the Mavs will have to do it. Do you feel they can win an NBA championship with this roster right now? Obviously Cuban does.

Beats me, lace 'em up and find out. But I'm pretty damned sure that tearing it down isn't going to win one in the next 5 years or so. That's assuming you actually get lucky enough to hit that superstar in the lottery.

The spurts aren't going to win another championship with the roster they are throwing out there right now either imo.

You think minnie is going to win one anytime soon?

Locked_Up_Tonight · 02-11-2008, 10:32 PM

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Beats me, lace 'em up and find out. But I'm pretty damned sure that tearing it down isn't going to win one in the next 5 years or so. That's assuming you actually get lucky enough to hit that superstar in the lottery.

And Boston looked to be crap too. And look at them now. Miami was crap too. Then boom... championship in a year and back to crap. The Mavs are spinning their wheels. And just hoping the scenery changes.

dude1394 · 02-11-2008, 10:54 PM

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And Boston looked to be crap too. And look at them now. Miami was crap too. Then boom... championship in a year and back to crap. The Mavs are spinning their wheels. And just hoping the scenery changes.

Give me a break man. boston had nowhere to go but up, miami had nowhere to go but up AND they have their superstar. Boston for that matter also has thiers in Pierce.

I don't have a problem with trading, but neither of those teams traded their best player to get there, the made trades to make their best player get some help.

Locked_Up_Tonight · 02-11-2008, 10:58 PM

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miami had nowhere to go but up AND they have their superstar

They made it to the second round the year before with Wade as a rookie. They gave up their 2nd and 3rd best players for a center.

At this point maybe Lamar and Caron do equal Dirk. Maybe not. But Miami was a borderline contender at the time of the trade. They were a 5th seed.

MavsX · 02-11-2008, 11:11 PM

man....the mavs are down to the felt.

dude1394 · 02-11-2008, 11:18 PM

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They made it to the second round the year before with Wade as a rookie. They gave up their 2nd and 3rd best players for a center.

At this point maybe Lamar and Caron do equal Dirk. Maybe not. But Miami was a borderline contender at the time of the trade. They were a 5th seed.

What was their record to get this 5th seed? Where would that record have been in the west?

But you skirt your own point. They had their supersta', if you are saying trade devin/josh okay, but I didn't see wade getting traded.

I checked for ya 42-40. That wouldn't have made the playoffs in the west.

Locked_Up_Tonight · 02-11-2008, 11:22 PM

Wade was not a superstar then. He became one. But he wasn't one at that point. They were HOPING. And what does it matter what there record was.... records mean zilch. If ever a Mav fan should know that by now.

dude1394 · 02-11-2008, 11:24 PM

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Wade was not a superstar then. He became one. But he wasn't one at that point. They were HOPING. And what does it matter what there record was.... records mean zilch. If ever a Mav fan should know that by now.

Then why did you throw out the 5th seed?

Again what's you point, that Odom is dirk? And who's the "supersta" we are building around if we give up dirk?

Locked_Up_Tonight · 02-11-2008, 11:29 PM

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Then why did you throw out the 5th seed?

Because I said they were a semi contender. A 5th seed that makes it to the second round is a semi contender. ZNot necessarilly good enough to win it all. But good enough to make it to the WCFs the next year perhaps.

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Again what's you point, that Odom is dirk? And who's the "supersta" we are building around if we give up dirk?

Odom and Butler= Dirk perhaps... But they took a big gamble on that trade. Remember Shaq was unmotivated in LA. He was "past his prime" some said then. But they rolled the dice. Just like Phx did this year.

And maybe it is Harris. Or Howard.

dude1394 · 02-11-2008, 11:33 PM

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And maybe it is Harris. Or Howard.

Do you honestly think that harris or josh is going to be a top 5 player in the nba? Honestly? If not then what is your point again?

If so I think you are cuckoo.

Locked_Up_Tonight · 02-11-2008, 11:50 PM

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Do you honestly think that harris or josh is going to be a top 5 player in the nba? Honestly? If not then what is your point again?

And Wade was never a Top 5 player in the league too. And no one knew he was going to be an all-nba player after his rookie year.

Silk Smoov · 02-12-2008, 12:03 AM

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And Wade was never a Top 5 player in the league too. And no one knew he was going to be an all-nba player after his rookie year.

Stop wasting your time talking about the Mavs problems. If you really want to make most of them happy just talk about trading Jet and Harris being an All-Star player, along with Dirk is playing great until Avery jerks him around. Thats all most want to hear.

dude1394 · 02-12-2008, 12:08 AM

You are still not making sense LUT. Wade certainly had a lot more potential than Josh/Devin had. And it was more obvious then as a rookie than it is obvious for josh/devin now after 4-5 years.

Unless I missed that final four appearance that josh/devin led their teams to?

But irregardless, this is devins 4th and josh's 5th or so.

I think before you trade dirk to build around the superstar devin or josh, don't you have to at least believe they are?

So do you or not? Which one? And if they are superstars in waiting, I would think we could get quite a player for them. Better than Jason Kidd for sure imo.

I know dirk is a top 5, josh (no way in the world), devin (I expect an all-star in the making but that's about it.). So I might say that devin/josh equals odom/??. But not the other way around.

dude1394 · 02-12-2008, 12:11 AM

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Stop wasting your time talking about the Mavs problems. If you really want to make most of them happy just talk about trading Jet and Harris being an All-Star player, along with Dirk is playing great until Avery jerks him around. Thats all most want to hear.

I'm trying to have a conversation with lut but he's kinda slippery. He thinks that if the mavs trade dirk they will get better somehow? I'm trying to understand how. Maybe Jason Terry is the superstar to hitch the team too, now that silks here I should expand the question.

So we trade dirk to get a player that will support our superstar? Whom is it..
Devin, Josh, Jason? Well I don't really think any of them are superstar material.

So my argument is that if you want to trade dirk fine, but when that happens it will be because we are in full rebuilding mode and will be looking to get bad really quick.

Silk Smoov · 02-12-2008, 12:16 AM

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I'm trying to have a conversation with lut but he's kinda slippery. He thinks that if the mavs trade dirk they will get better somehow? I'm trying to understand how. Maybe Jason Terry is the superstar to hitch the team too, now that silks here I should expand the question.

So we trade dirk to get a player that will support our superstar? Whom is it..
Devin, Josh, Jason? Well I don't really think any of them are superstar material.

So my argument is that if you want to trade dirk fine, but when that happens it will be because we are in full rebuilding mode and will be looking to get bad really quick.

Stop kidding yourself. The MAIN reason we would be in rebuilding mode if we traded Dirk, is because Dirk could NOT fetch a true Superstar like Kobe in return now. We had a chance to get better and improve, but the decision was to stay put, and now look at the value of our so-called tradeable pieces.

Question back at you. Is Dirk the Superstar for this CURRENT roster to win a title?

Silk Smoov · 02-12-2008, 12:21 AM

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You are still not making sense LUT. Wade certainly had a lot more potential than Josh/Devin had. And it was more obvious then as a rookie than it is obvious for josh/devin now after 4-5 years.

Unless I missed that final four appearance that josh/devin led their teams to?

But irregardless, this is devins 4th and josh's 5th or so.

I think before you trade dirk to build around the superstar devin or josh, don't you have to at least believe they are?

So do you or not? Which one? And if they are superstars in waiting, I would think we could get quite a player for them. Better than Jason Kidd for sure imo.

I know dirk is a top 5, josh (no way in the world), devin (I expect an all-star in the making but that's about it.). So I might say that devin/josh equals odom/??. But not the other way around.

Once again you are kidding yourself. If I was to look at all the Mavs players, I will say for the next 5 years only Howard and Dirk would make the All-Star game. EASILY!!!!

I have told you many times the ULTIMATE problem we have. You just never want to listen to me about it. We could have had KG or Kobe here with this current team. That was truly the shake-up we needed. It is hard to be a fan right now. I actually think that we are stuck, and now have to live with the decisions/lack of decisions we made at the end of last season. I think we may be in trouble now, because we truly dont have a tradeable piece that would in return bring us a title.

Silk Smoov · 02-12-2008, 12:22 AM

Still no answer from Dude.

u2sarajevo · 02-12-2008, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

I think we've gotten to the point where everyone already knows Locked_Up_Tonight's opinion, so him rehashing the same mantra over and over without saying anything new won't really accomplish anything.

QFT.

And that applies to more posters than just Bayliss...

chumdawg · 02-12-2008, 12:26 AM

What does "QFT" mean?

dude1394 · 02-12-2008, 12:26 AM

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Stop kidding yourself. The MAIN reason we would be in rebuilding mode if we traded Dirk, is because Dirk could NOT fetch a true Superstar like Kobe in return now. We had a chance to get better and improve, but the decision was to stay put, and now look at the value of our so-called tradeable pieces.

Question back at you. Is Dirk the Superstar for this CURRENT roster to win a title?

I don't know, nor do you. Your kobe throwout is bull. That's my entire point you knucklehead. No one gets value on their supersta's, no one that I can remember. So if dirk was traded it wouldn't be for Kobe, Howard, Diva, etc. Not because dirk isn't great, but because those other guys are great as well and don't get traded.

If you are saying trade josh/devin/jet/stack etc., okay, I'll listen. But if you want to trade dirk you'd better do it with an eye to getting to the lottery, a BUNCH. Because there isn't anyone on this team besides dirk who is close to a top 5 player.

But I'll answer. I see no reason that dirk cannot win a championship with this roster assuming it has an improved devin, healthy damp, josh, etc. None at all.

dude1394 · 02-12-2008, 12:30 AM

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Once again you are kidding yourself. If I was to look at all the Mavs players, I will say for the next 5 years only Howard and Dirk would make the All-Star game. EASILY!!!!

I have told you many times the ULTIMATE problem we have. You just never want to listen to me about it. We could have had KG or Kobe here with this current team. That was truly the shake-up we needed. It is hard to be a fan right now. I actually think that we are stuck, and now have to live with the decisions/lack of decisions we made at the end of last season. I think we may be in trouble now, because we truly dont have a tradeable piece that would in return bring us a title.

Do you have a letter from someone saying kobe would be here? Do you think that Kobe would win a championship with devin/josh. Okay you do, I don't. Kobe may win one now, but it's gonig to be because gasol, bynum, fisher showed up. Doesn't hurt to have odom and one of the two best coaches in the histroy of the nba either.

So I think your kobe fantasy is just that, a fantasy. You think it would have made the diff, but even kobe knew that coming here without dirk was a waste of everyones time. Only you don't know it.

dude1394 · 02-12-2008, 12:32 AM

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Still no answer from Dude.

I always get a kick out of the self-absorbed message boarders who think everyone is hanging on their every word. Like everyone is hitting the refresh key a mile a minute to see what silk has to say.

EricaLubarsky · 02-12-2008, 12:33 AM

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I always kick out of the self-absorbed message boarders who think everyone is hanging on their very word. Like everyone is hitting the refresh key a mile a minute to see what silk has to say.

the little jeopardy song ended and you lose the argument, dude. Sorry but thats rules-- gotta catch up and spout out responses as quickly as possible or you lose.

Silk Smoov · 02-12-2008, 12:35 AM

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I don't know, nor do you. Your kobe throwout is bull. That's my entire point you knucklehead. No one gets value on their supersta's, no one that I can remember. So if dirk was traded it wouldn't be for Kobe, Howard, Diva, etc. Not because dirk isn't great, but because those other guys are great as well and don't get traded.

If you are saying trade josh/devin/jet/stack etc., okay, I'll listen. But if you want to trade dirk you'd better do it with an eye to getting to the lottery, a BUNCH. Because there isn't anyone on this team besides dirk who is close to a top 5 player.

But I'll answer. I see no reason that dirk cannot win a championship with this roster assuming it has an improved devin, healthy damp, josh, etc. None at all.

Silly,I guess you just wont stop your fantasy world. Let me start here on your last statement. Devin is clearly improved, Damp has been healthy, and Josh is playing like a true All-Star. So what is your reasoning again for seeing this CURRENT team winning with Dirk?

What in GOD's green earth do you see a title team with this CURRENT team? This CURRENT team is NOT a title contender. In order to make this team a true playoff contending title team we will lose Dirk or Josh/Devin combo. I choose Josh/Devin to stay.