Chandler still mad the Mavs didn't resign him - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Thomas86 · 05-18-2012, 06:56 PM

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=7942886

Start around 11:50

dude1394 · 05-18-2012, 07:23 PM

Me too Ty.

twelli · 05-18-2012, 08:02 PM

that's a bit surprising, I thought we had a front office that is not shying away from
confrontation...

LSMF · 05-18-2012, 09:17 PM

I feel your pain, TC. Well we're back to losing in the 1st round so hopefully they're happy now.

adonis · 05-19-2012, 12:34 AM

Ugh. In retrospect, you don't go from Tyson to Deron. Not even Tyson to Douche Dwight.

Thanks, Mark

mavs777 · 05-19-2012, 12:37 AM

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Ugh. In retrospect, you don't go from Tyson to Deron. Not even Tyson to Douche Dwight.

Thanks, Mark

I'm assuming you either are being sarcastic or do not understand basketball.

Underdog · 05-19-2012, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by adonis

Ugh. In retrospect, you don't go from Tyson to Deron. Not even Tyson to Douche Dwight.

Thanks, Mark

wat

BGMaverick9 · 05-19-2012, 12:37 AM

Lolz to some of the posts in here.

LonghornDub · 05-19-2012, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by adonis

Ugh. In retrospect, you don't go from Tyson to Deron. Not even Tyson to Douche Dwight.

Thanks, Mark

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Lolz to some of the posts in here.

Well, I think that pretty much sums it up.

clutch#41 · 05-19-2012, 12:38 AM

why is this even a thread?

CaseyJones · 05-19-2012, 01:21 AM

This isn't surprising at all, what's surprising is that Tyson basically came out and said he wants to see the Mavs win more rings after he signed to the Knicks.

oilfieldtrash · 05-19-2012, 11:39 AM

I'm not sure which is worse. Letting Nash or Tyson walk..

grndmstr_c · 05-19-2012, 12:19 PM

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I'm not sure which is worse. Letting Nash or Tyson walk..

This is a joke, right?

oilfieldtrash · 05-19-2012, 02:14 PM

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This is a joke, right?

For this team no.Mavs need size and defense more than a flashy point guard. Hence why when Nash left we went to the finals. Chandler left and the formula for beating the Mavs is once again to just pound them inside. Better question is are you joking.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-19-2012, 02:23 PM

A lot of that podcast seems very fishy. He not only doesn't really quote Tyson directly, but flat out says false things like "he was willing to take a hometown discount." Does anyone have some other sort of proof of this? I don't remember hearing about Chandler willing to take any kind of discount contract with us.

adonis · 05-19-2012, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

For this team no.Mavs need size and defense more than a flashy point guard. Hence why when Nash left we went to the finals. Chandler left and the formula for beating the Mavs is once again to just pound them inside. Better question is are you joking.

THANK YOU.

Some here are acting like Deron+Dirk > Dirk+Tyson. There are such a limited amount of good centers out there, we finally got one and we decide to let him go.

Cuban has this team making the playoffs for another 5 years, but I rather win 1 more championship than 5 straight 2nd round exits.

Underdog · 05-19-2012, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by adonis

Some here are acting like Deron+Dirk > Dirk+Tyson. There are such a limited amount of good centers out there, we finally got one and we decide to let him go.

Deron Williams: 7 seasons, 3 All-Star appearances
Tyson Chandler: 11 seasons, 0 All-Star appearances

Good centers are tough to find in this league, but good point guards aren't any easier...

BGMaverick9 · 05-19-2012, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by adonis

THANK YOU.

Some here are acting like Deron+Dirk > Dirk+Tyson. There are such a limited amount of good centers out there, we finally got one and we decide to let him go.

Cuban has this team making the playoffs for another 5 years, but I rather win 1 more championship than 5 straight 2nd round exits.

I'm not sure if you've noticed but the league is about speed, athleticism and getting to the rim. It's a guard-driven, specifically point guard, league. It's not like they just said, see ya, Tyson. They made an offer and it wasn't in the best interest to Tyson.

Getting to the playoffs is what you need to do to win a championship. Did the Mavs last year look like a juggernaut going into the playoffs last year? No, they built momentum after getting in there and had promising signs over the year. If you don't like making the playoffs for 5 years, go be a fan of Charlotte.

G-Man · 05-22-2012, 11:44 AM

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I'm not sure which is worse. Letting Nash or Tyson walk..

As much as I loved Stevie, his defense was atrocious, and the team got better after he left. They got to the finals with Terry at the point and won it all with Kidd. Nash's Phoenix teams were just like his Mavs teams...fun to watch, and destined to lose.

Tyson, on the other hand, was the missing link. A great center who fits is just as important as a great PG. And since we already had a hall of fame PG, we should have kept one of the top 5 centers. But we can't go back in time, so we have to move forward and hope the MBT can make up for their past mistake.

Time to pull another rabbit out of the hat, Donnie. Go.

Scott McGuire · 05-22-2012, 03:06 PM

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As much as I loved Stevie, his defense was atrocious, and the team got better after he left. They got to the finals with Terry at the point and won it all with Kidd. Nash's Phoenix teams were just like his Mavs teams...fun to watch, and destined to lose.

Tyson, on the other hand, was the missing link. A great center who fits is just as important as a great PG. And since we already had a hall of fame PG, we should have kept one of the top 5 centers. But we can't go back in time, so we have to move forward and hope the MBT can make up for their past mistake.

Time to pull another rabbit out of the hat, Donnie. Go.

While I'm glad you aimed the ending towards the idea that moving forward is your priority, I disagree with much of the rest of your post.

As was mentioned earlier. We almost won the "NBA Finals" in 2003. 2003 was the beginning of the Dirk/Nash prime. We can assume that the winner of Dallas/San Antonio beats that Nets team 9 out of 10 times. We lost in 2004 because we traded Raef for Antoine Walker and NVE for Antwan Jamison and then had Nash wear down at the end of the season. The year of the Power Forward was terrible. That Kings 1st round series was really similar to the Thunder series we just lost except we won 1. Cuban thought Nash's fatigue/wearing out problem wasn't going to get better with age. He was wrong.

With Nash still going on his extreme health kick and playing his entire prime with prime Dirk I sincerely believe They would have at least one championship together. And been fun to watch as they did it. (Canada day 2004 why do you haunt me?)

I've made my opinion known, but unless Tyson was willing to take 9/10 million a year we couldn't construct a roster for the future tying up 14 million/year in a great defensive center with no ability to initiate offense, despite the fact that he is efficient there. Without a superstar you max out at about the current Philadelphia squad or the Grizzles. If you sign Tyson you can't get a superstar in free agency unless you can magically make Deron or another star in 2013 sign for less than max. I'm an advocate for only getting 2 near max players unless a sure fire number 3 comes along and you have capspace. If I'm the Thunder I match any offer Harden gets next year after I already try and extend him as far as possible.

(on another note)
Nash would have won in Phoenix had his owner not been cheap. Look back at the draft picks he gave away because he didn't want to pay them. It's amazing how good those teams could have been. (Luol Deng in 2004)(Nate Robinson in 2005)(Rajon Rondo in 2006)(Rudy Fernadez in 2007)

LonghornDub · 05-19-2012, 01:15 PM

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http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=7942886

Start around 11:50

Just listened to this. The bit about Tyson being "mad" is at least interesting (although obvious), but the rest of the interview is utter garbage and speculation. They're sitting there insinuating that the Mavs 1) are scared to "confront" players and be honest with them and 2) are thus not a "great" organization. Both of those things are plainly contrary to the facts. Ask Lamar Odom if the Mavs are scared to confront players.

And by the way, Tyson's alleged comment that the "Spurs woulda been more up front with me"--if he really said that--is pretty classic victimization.

Murphy3 · 05-19-2012, 01:20 PM

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Just listened to this. The bit about Tyson being "mad" is at least interesting (although obvious), but the rest of the interview is utter garbage and speculation. They're sitting there insinuating that the Mavs 1) are scared to "confront" players and be honest with them and 2) are thus not a "great" organization. Both of those things are plainly contrary to the facts. Ask Lamar Odom if the Mavs are scared to confront players.

And by the way, Tyson's alleged comment that the "Spurs woulda been more up front with me"--if he really said that--is pretty classic victimization.

I don't think that the way the Lamar Odom situation was handled is proof of anything positive.

LonghornDub · 05-19-2012, 01:23 PM

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I don't think that the way the Lamar Odom situation was handled is proof of anything positive.

That's not responsive to my point. I didn't put a "positive" or "negative" value judgment on it.

The assertion was: the Mavs' front office does not confront players. Not only is there no factual basis for that statement, but there is evidence establishing the exact opposite. Whether that's "good" or "bad" is a separate issue.

jthig32 · 05-19-2012, 01:40 PM

And as Skin pointed out this week, the Spurs won a championship and didn't invite Avery Johnson back. Then they won a championship with Tony Parker and spent all summer flirting with Jason Kidd. And you think Pop was every where massaging egos? No. You do what you think is best for your organization. If anything, you can make the case the Spurs have been MORE successful than the Mavs in part because they've been MORE cut throat, and not fallen in love with their players to the extent that the Mavs have.

It's complete bullsh, and it's nothing but sour grapes from Tyson, who is probably seriously re-thinking turning down a two year offer from us as he surveys the mess he's attached himself to in NY.

LonghornDub · 05-19-2012, 01:47 PM

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It's complete bullsh, and it's nothing but sour grapes from Tyson, who is probably seriously re-thinking turning down a two year offer from us as he surveys the mess he's attached himself to in NY.

Absolutely.

SlimBig · 05-19-2012, 03:46 PM

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And as Skin pointed out this week, the Spurs won a championship and didn't invite Avery Johnson back. Then they won a championship with Tony Parker and spent all summer flirting with Jason Kidd. And you think Pop was every where massaging egos? No. You do what you think is best for your organization. If anything, you can make the case the Spurs have been MORE successful than the Mavs in part because they've been MORE cut throat, and not fallen in love with their players to the extent that the Mavs have.

It's complete bullsh, and it's nothing but sour grapes from Tyson, who is probably seriously re-thinking turning down a two year offer from us as he surveys the mess he's attached himself to in NY.

I disagree totally that it's "complete bullsh" (c) Dan McDowell.
I think that Cuban and Co. handled the Tyson situation very poorly and was a terrible PR move.

Seriously, who's the biggest free agent Cuban's signed since he's owned the franchise?
I'm not talking about traded for, but signed (and not past their prime)?

To think that we had a chance at Dwight and Deron over the Lakers or NYC is nuts.
He could have signed Chandler to a decent contract, maybe even Barea also, amnesty Haywood and make a possible run at Deron this summer.

Deron would have been a longshot and doubtful signing but at least we could have defended our title.
Chandler, Barea and Delonte filling in for Stevenson would have been more that enough to compete this playoff year.

LonghornDub · 05-19-2012, 03:54 PM

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Seriously, who's the biggest free agent Cuban's signed since he's owned the franchise?
I'm not talking about traded for, but signed (and not past their prime)?

Excellent logic there. Truly superb.

Remind me: Who was the biggest free agent the Heat had signed (not traded for!!!) before they made the biggest free agency splash in NBA history?

bobatundi · 05-20-2012, 11:47 AM

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Remind me: Who was the biggest free agent the Heat had signed (not traded for!!!) before they made the biggest free agency splash in NBA history?

Technically speaking, they traded for Bosh and LeDouche.

cowdog80 · 05-22-2012, 07:48 AM

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And as Skin pointed out this week, the Spurs won a championship and didn't invite Avery Johnson back. Then they won a championship with Tony Parker and spent all summer flirting with Jason Kidd. And you think Pop was every where massaging egos? No. You do what you think is best for your organization. If anything, you can make the case the Spurs have been MORE successful than the Mavs in part because they've been MORE cut throat, and not fallen in love with their players to the extent that the Mavs have.

The flip side would be this - how many major FAs has that cutthroat approach landed the Spurs?

Apparently no big deal when you can create a high level roster with Danny Greens and Kawhi Leonards playing major roles. But if your plan involves landing elite free agents - then the reputation of 'taking care of our guys' means something. And I don't think Cubes has that to the level that maybe he once did.

Now, I think some of that is probably overstated as $ speak more than anything when it comes to FA. But when trying to lure a guy like Deron, et al, every thing could be a factor.

jthig32 · 05-19-2012, 01:50 PM

But...despite the fact that I think it's complete bulls..it absolutely does not make me feel better about our chances to land Deron.

Whether it's justified or not, Tyson feeling cheated by us can't be a good thing for our reputation with free agents around the league.

Doesn't mean it's a deal breaker...hopefully there are agents out there smart enough to explain the situation to their clients. But it doesn't help.

Dirkadirkastan · 05-19-2012, 02:47 PM

But we did "resign" him...

bernardos70 · 05-21-2012, 10:56 AM

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But we did "resign" him...

Thank you! This misuse is a pet peeve of mine.

rabbitproof · 05-19-2012, 04:17 PM

We don't know what was really said. Tyson may be telling the truth. His speculation about the Spurs is just conjecture.

I can't say that if the Defensive Player of the Year was on the market now, he wouldn't be worth a near max though.

Timing can be a bitch.

grndmstr_c · 05-19-2012, 06:41 PM

And the thread just keeps getting better.

Dirkadirkastan · 05-19-2012, 08:15 PM

"Unproven"? I thought the fastest waterbugs were the youngest ones.

Dtownsfinest · 05-20-2012, 01:51 AM

Pains me to know that Chandler wanted to be back here and we basically said "No thanks". All for the pipe dream of Dwight and Deron.

chumdawg · 05-20-2012, 02:04 AM

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Pains me to know that Chandler wanted to be back here and we basically said "No thanks". All for the pipe dream of Dwight and Deron.

I don't think they said "No, thanks." I think they said "We can do better."

wilmtalk · 05-20-2012, 02:48 AM

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I don't think they said "No, thanks." I think they said "We can do better."

I think you are correct. If they would have gotten Howard the gamble would have been worth it, but they didn't and probably won't. The gamble wasn't worth it for just for Darran. What some of you seem to be forgetting is team dynamics. Tyson was perfect compliment to Dirk and visa versa. Tyson will not be as effective or as valuable to any other team as he was with the mavs as well as even he realized this season. It requires compatability for superstars to play well together.

It also takes a specific talent beyond just technical basketball knowledge to recognize which players would be compatable with each other. I again am begining to question if the front office or coaching staff really has that ability. I thought they had it last season but then I had forgotten that Tyson sort of fell into their laps. Last year seemed to be more of a fortunate accident rather than a well constructed plan. Well we shall soon see!

chumdawg · 05-20-2012, 02:53 AM

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It also takes a specific talent beyond just technical basketball knowledge to recognize which players would be compatable with each other. I again am begining to question if the front office or coaching staff really has that ability. I thought they had it last season but then I had forgotten that Tyson sort of fell into their laps. Last year seemed to be more of a fortunate accident rather than a well constructed plan. Well we shall soon see!

A guy whose opinion I respect above all others says that he would take one Tyson Chandler over ten Dwight Howards...because Dwight Howard is a loser.

Shocking claim. It at least made me think.

Scott McGuire · 05-20-2012, 07:28 AM

Since everyone wants to talk about Tyson as if we could get him, let's imagine that he is available this year. Would you give him 4/55 right now (he'd probably cost more after his DPOY) Taking up around 13 million in capspace?

You can amnesty Haywood and that leaves you still offering less than max for Deron. Even if he does sign you lost everyone else and only get minimum ones after that for the next 2 years at least.

The question always comes down to irreplaceable value with regards to cheaper players. Proven rebounding and defense from a big man aren't as irreplaceable as a proven scoring and passing point guard.

With the new CBA you shouldn't tie up 14 million/year in a rebounding defensive center with a spotty injury history. Even if he is a great chemisty, great defensive player. Key offensive players are just worth more. You can build a championship team around Deron for the next 4/5 years with him being the cornerstone. Tyson is a great complimentary piece. He anchors your defense and is efficient on offense, but cannot innitiate anything on that end. Tyson's value should cap at 9/10 million/year in the new CBA. Deron is underpaid at 17 million/year.