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Jul 6 - The Denver Post reports Steve Kauffman, agent for Nuggets free-agent Greg Buckner, counted Dallas and Miami, as well as Denver, among seven teams courting his client. Getting him would make absolutely no sense to me. We might as well just sign Griffin if we're actually interested.
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Bucknor is both younger than Griff, and a better shooter.
I can see him in a Dallas uni, only if the Mike James stuff falls through. Makes lots of sense though, if James signs in Houston. |
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07-06-2006, 10:26 AM
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I'd love it if Uncle Buck came back to big D, but I don't see where he fits in with a team that is splitting offensive two-guard minutes amongst Josh, Maurice, and Jerry (not to mention the possibility that we have JET, possibly James, and KJ jr cutting into those same minutes)...
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07-06-2006, 10:32 AM
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Replacement for the stumblebum. Better D than Griff.
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Sounds good... let the opposing teams' queers get prepared for the butt Bucknerization that would soon come...
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He is like Maurice Ager except with no upside. Ager is also listed as a much better rebounder. I can't see Avery being happy with his pourous rebounding skills. He played well in the playoffs but that screamed contract to me.
If Mike James falls through, there still won't be anytime for him to play. I'd give time to Ager, Stack, Howard, Terry at the 2-3 positions over him. If he's cheap then whatever I guess.
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07-06-2006, 10:46 AM
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Anything above the vet minimum screams contract to me. I watched every game that guy played for us. He is just an injury prone spare. Wonderful that he can shoot the three, but with Ager and Croshere already pluggin that hole even further, just seems more logical to bring back Grif for pennies if he costs anything more then the vet.
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07-06-2006, 10:48 AM
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Just like every baseball agent says the Yankees are interested in his client. It's all about trying to increase your clients' perceived market value. "Dallas and Miami are interested, and they were both in the Finals last year--imagine how much my client will help your team next year--and it'll only cost you the full MLE. Don't you want to go to the Finals?"
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I'd rather keep Griffin at this point.
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I would definitely rather have Buckner. He's better across the board if you ask me.
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Bring Buck Back! Hopefully his value's not too inflated from getting so many minutes in SG-starved Denver- I love what he brings but I don't think he really quite deserves a full MLE. If we can get him cheap, bring him aboard. He'd be redundant here but honestly I've never felt comfortable watching him in anything other than a Mavs uni... Plus he and Griff have so much catching up to do. Now if we can just reacquire Eddie Najera, Johnny Newman, and Bastard Raja...
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If there is one thing I've learned about the Mavs front-office, it's that if we hear a trade rumor, it's almost guaranteed to *not* happen.
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07-06-2006, 11:13 AM
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I love Buck. I would rather have Buck than Griff or Rawle. He'll come cheap. Plays EXCELLENT defense. And can nail 3's. Basically...he's an upgrade.
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Looking at Buck is perhaps a sign the James thing isn't gonna happen.
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07-06-2006, 11:28 AM
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I don't see why the Mavs couldn't sign both Buckner and Griffin or neither. They do have options. This isn't a mutually exclusive business. Get one so you can't have the other. Solid veterans to man the bench isn't a bad thing when you are trying to win a championship. Neither player are elite but you do know what you are going to get from them every time they take the floor. You can't say enough about how important that is.
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Buckner and Griffin are too repetitive to have both of them. There is no need for both of them.
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07-06-2006, 11:44 AM
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I say we sign them both: we get experience and tough gritty defense. It would also give us some protection if one were to become injured.
I would much rather do this than sign the hot-head spare who is known as Mike James.
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20 ppg 6 assist a spare? You can call Mike James overrated but he has proven he is not a spare but playing hard and tough on every team he has been on. You can have any opinion of James you want but calling him a spare is stretching it on the negative end.
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Who called mike james a spare, DevinHarriswillstart?
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Damn, i think i looked at every post except that one......anyway, it would be nice to have a james posey/raja bell type player who is a hard defender and can shoot the 3,but he is kinda injury prone......
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Bring those freaking calves to D-town!! They are bigger than most peoples thighs.
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DB.com brings up a good point. Right now Dallas has 13 active players on the roster. If James signs thats 14 and the Mavs will most likely decide between DA and Griff. Most likely Griff. For me the only upgrade would be Buckner is a better outside shooter but I dont think that is enough for the Mavs to let go of Griff and sign Buckner. James signs, Griff re-signs and there is your roster.
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I think this is one of those instances where a agent is using the Mavericks as a bargaining chip. I'd take him as a backup 3. If he was to sign with us today he'd automatically be our best perimeter defender so he definately fits a need.
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07-06-2006, 12:52 PM
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I love griff...but he doesn't have the range we need. We need a defensive stopper type who can also hit big 3's. Someone like Raja, Bowen, Posey, etc...I think Buckner can fill that role. And, perhaps, given that we are fairly deep at the 2/3 he probably won't be as susceptible to injury.
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I'd LOVE to have Buckner here. A real tough SOB.
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07-06-2006, 02:09 PM
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Buckner is an upgrade over Griff. I don't think this means the Mike James thing has fallen through at all.
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We're one of seven teams that have inquired?
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Of course I wouldn't mind having both - Griff woulb be an extra insurance policy. |
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harris terry Stack Ager howard griff buckner dirk Austin C. Powell Diop Damp DJ (No DA or KVH) that 13 right there...and thats assuming we do nothing else in free agency
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P-Pod makes 14. That leaves one more slot for DA or Marshall or the unidentified FA.
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I love me some griff.
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would you want this player on your team?
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Compelling argument Strokepod. I do hate that Argentinian.
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