Poll: As Thompson's star fades, Clinton's on the rise

[Janett_Reno]

Poll: As Thompson's star fades, Clinton's on the rise

GOP presidential candidate Fred Thompson dropped 8 points from September

Sen. Hillary Clinton now has a majority of Democrats polled supporting her

Rudy Giuliani continues to lead Republican presidential field

Clinton leads Giuliani by 2 percentage points in poll matchup

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Like i have reported for along time dude, it is Rudy vs Hillary. I do not think your man, Fred Thompson, can catch Rudy. Fred is just to tired to run. Dude, read what i marked in bold and as i report, Rudy pretends to be Republican now and when he get's the nominee he will flop back to sounding like a Democrat, where he can "try" pull Democrat and Republican votes. He won't beat Hillary but why you have thought it was a chance beating Hillary is because you felt the Democrats was not supporting Hillary. They are as you can go look at the numbers. What you have reported that you thought was a Hillary downfall will actually be Rudy's downfall. The Republicans are split all over the place on who they like and in the end, will they all, including Dobson support and rally around Rudy? The Democrats are comming dude and they are and will rally around Hillary. Barbour does help Rudy in the south dude. Is it enough to take TN, KY, Va and other's, not sure. Just remember these need to be red states. Bayh helps Hillary win two very key states in Oh and Pa and possibly a red state in In. Now Barbour could help Rudy in Fl where that state is very close now and an important one. Clark is another very good choice and helps her across many states but does it put her over the top in Oh? Clark will also help Hillary in the south on trying to take a few red states down south. I don't think Fred is going to cut the mustard and you will have to get behind Rudy dude. A long shot vice pres is McCain but at this stage in his career i think it actually hurts the Republcans. He is getting like Fred, tired and forgetful.

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http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/...oll/index.html

Fred Thompson got into the Republican race with great expectations. And sure enough, just after he got in last month, polling showed Thompson and Rudy Giuliani were just about tied for front-runner.

But since then, Thompson's taken a lot of flak for alackluster campaign from party activists in Iowa and New Hampshire.

Support for his campaign has also wavered. The new CNN poll by the Opinion Research Corporation released Tuesday shows Thompson's support dropping -- now at 19 percent, down from 27 percent in September.

He's now running second, slightly ahead of Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, who has 17 percent. Giuliani, the former mayor of New York, still leads with 27 percent.

Of the remaining Republican presidential candidates, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney received support from 13 percent of the Republicans polled, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee received 5 percent, Rep. Duncan Hunter of California received 3 percent, Rep. Ron Paul of Texas received 2 percent, Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas received 1 percent and Rep. Tom Tancredo of Colorado received 1 percent.

The poll's margin of error for the Republican race is plus or minus 5 percentage points.Watch what the polls reveal »

On the Democratic side, Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York continues to gain support and build on her lead. She led Sen. Barack Obama by 23 points last month -- 46 percent to 23 percent. She now leads the Illinois senator by 30 points -- 51 percent to 21 percent.

Of the remaining Democratic presidential candidates, former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards received support from 15 percent of the Democrats polled, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson received 4 percent, Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware received 1 percent, Sen. Christopher Dodd of Connecticut received 1 percent, former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel received 1 percent and Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio received 1 percent.

On this question, former Vice President Al Gore was not included as a candidate.

The margin of error for the Democratic poll was plus or minus 4.5 percentage points.

The poll, conducted by telephone on October 12-14, involved interviews with 1,212 adults, including 485 registered voters who describe themselves as Democrats or as Independents who lean Democratic, and 374 registered voters who describe themselves as Republicans or as Independents who lean Republican.

A majority of Democrats favor Clinton, whereas fewer than a third of Republicans favor their front-runner, Giuliani.

Now that Gore has won the Nobel Peace Prize, there doesn't appear to be a surge of support for him to make a run. Gore came in third among Democrats, at 14 percent -- about the same as last month -- when included in the poll as a potential candidate.

Expectations are building fast. Nearly two-thirds, or 64 percent, of those polled expect Clinton to be the Democratic nominee. That's four times more than those who expect Obama to be the nominee.

Of those polled, who do they expect to win the Republican nomination? Half chose Giuliani. That's nearly four to one over John McCain.

And who do voters expect to win the election? Clinton was chosen by 45 percent. Only 16 percent expect Giuliani to get elected. Nobody else gets more than 10 percent.

Now it's Clinton who faces great expectations. Here's one reason: Asked if they would vote for the Democratic candidate or the Republican candidate for president, voters prefer the Democrat by 13 points.

But when the two front-runners are pitted against each other, Clinton leads Giuliani by just two percentage points, 49 percent to 47 percent, a statistical tie.

The poll's margin of error for general election questions is plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Why would a Clinton-Giuliani matchup be so close? Mainly because Giuliani does eight points better than a generic Republican.

The race between Clinton and Giuliani is close, not because Clinton is weak, but because Giuliani gets a lot more support from moderate and independent voters than a generic Republican candidate.

That's the irony. Giuliani is trying to sound more and more like a typical Republican to get the nomination. But voters don't see him as a typical Republican.

[dude1394]

Boy janet...your retention is awful. I said almost a year ago it would be Rudi... You are projecting again.

And clinton's 2 points ahead of rudi huh....Slam dunk, right. You article is also projecting, it isn't taking into account that Clintons negatives are just about (possibly are) the highest in history. And everyone already knows her.

[dude1394]

This is kind of a funny article however.

A majority of Democrats favor Clinton, whereas fewer than a third of Republicans favor their front-runner, Giuliani.

And he's still only 2 points behind. Your slam dunk may get dunked. She's not qualified. Thank you lord, thank you jesus.

What's pathetic is hillary is the best of the democrat bunch, what a motley crew.

[Janett_Reno]

You don't think Rudy has negatives? He can't go out and say terrorism, terrorism, terrorism, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, and Gold Bless America and win dude. Those day's are over. Rudy has came to Tx on a white horse and where the gop big whigs in Tx wasn't a Rudy fan at all, is now on the bandwagon because he will support dirty air, pollution and got the big oil money that W was elected on.

Big oil knows Hillary will support clean air and regulations will hit them again and the bills Bill passed and W undone will be enforced again, so an all out 100% big oil is trying hard for Rudy. This all sounds good dude but the Republican party doesn't support Rudy like big oil. They know he is half Democrat and he has other problems in the south but those problems Dobson speaks of will hang over his head. The faith and values vote is thrown out. Morals is shot with him and this is a big votting block in the end.

[dude1394]

What are they janet? Most folks know about the good about Rudy and that he's pro-choice. I expect once they hear how he cleaned up the mess that the liberals left NYCity in he'll be fine there as well.

There are still a lot of folks who don't really know Rudi except for his heroism on 9/11. IMO once they take a look at someone who's actually governed versus someone who's done nothing, they'll like what they see.

If the south gets behind Rudi, I see Clinton having a very tough time of it because Rudi will draw from the coasts and yankees.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Janett_Reno

You don't think Rudy has negatives? He can't go out and say terrorism, terrorism, terrorism, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, and Gold Bless America and win dude. Those day's are over. Rudy has came to Tx on a white horse and where the gop big whigs in Tx wasn't a Rudy fan at all, is now on the bandwagon because he will support dirty air, pollution and got the big oil money that W was elected on.

You think so? I expect Rudi' probably got a pretty decent record with respect to the environment. You'd almost have to, to be running such a large city. You know, pick up the trash, etc.

Big oil knows Hillary will support clean air and regulations will hit them again and the bills Bill passed and W undone will be enforced again, so an all out 100% big oil is trying hard for Rudy. This all sounds good dude but the Republican party doesn't support Rudy like big oil. They know he is half Democrat and he has other problems in the south but those problems Dobson speaks of will hang over his head. The faith and values vote is thrown out. Morals is shot with him and this is a big votting block in the end.

You're tin-foil hat is showing here. BIG OIL BIG OIL...Stupid.

[alexamenos]

JR on August 11th.....

Originally Posted by Janett_Reno

He [Fred Thompson] is the best shot for the Republicans. He has probs but if he can skate around them and unite the Repub base, then he has a shot at Hills....The Repub base must come out strong in the south. They won't for Rudy and they will for Thompson, no matter what dirt is dug up on him.

JR on October 17th.....

Originally Posted by Janett_Reno

Like i have reported for along time dude, it is Rudy vs Hillary. I do not think your man, Fred Thompson, can catch Rudy....[/B]

When you say that you have reported this for along time, do you mean you've been reporting this for many months or for many new threads?

[dude1394]

Apparently Janett doesn't remember her own posts anymore than mine.

[Janett_Reno]

Tootsie is on his third wife, but that his current mate, Judith Nathan, is on her third husband, the question on everyone's mind is what effect will that have on his campaign?

This is not a positive dude and one wife was his cousin and again these doesn't play good to the faith and values crowd.

pro-homosexual agenda (including so-called “gay marriage”), pro-amnesty & sanctuary cities, pro-gun confiscation & banning, pro-abortion-on-demand, and anti-Federalism or words you can understand dude, God, guns, and gays. This is where Rudy drops off with Dobson and the faith and values crowd.

People are also not very fond dude of Rudy tapping into the Bush family Tx connections and bil oil billionaires. Bracewell & Patterson(tx law firm) helped W abandon to regulate carbon dioxide and was against naming co2 as a polluntant, that led to more global waming. Bracewell also persuaded the neocon adm to exempt coal burning power plants from new pollution controls, and i could go on and on with this as it is much more. Bracewell & Patterson with the neocons help have polluted all they can and are letting big oil run rough shot and in 2005 Bracewell got a new partner called Tootsie Giuliana and now it is Bracewell & Giuliani.

Rudy has parterned with big oil and pollution. People sell out for power, just ask W and the neocons. Rudy can't speak bad of the neocons because the same ones back him that back W and that i alot of money and power dude. Oil. Bracewell helped him rise in power and he was from the bluest state dude that had to tap into big oil and red money. Bracewell was his ticket. Cheney, Barbour along with Bracewell was able to take Clinton's restrictions off new source review and it was bascially it was restrictions on big coal and oil, for them to clean their act up and they loopholed there way thru and got restrictions lifted. So now big power plants can pollute again.

They gutted the clean air act and this is why you try to discredit global warming and say it is all false because dude this is one big huge reason Chains and W is in office, for big oil, and energy companies that have no regards for clean air. You and the neocons are not for clean air. They recruited Rudy and he took the cash and sold out also and joined the neocons. Senior epa officials resigned because of this dude.

Eliot Spritzer said the adm has gutted the clean air act and put financial interests of oil, gas and coal companies above the publics right to breathe clean air but again dude i know you do not like clean air and are for $3.00 a gallon gas and dirty air. Anything for a profit and another sell out. Tootsie joined Bracewell in 2005 dude and the firm is regarded as the most well known face of aggressive energy industry lobbying in dc. Since record oil industry profits, they lobbies against tax on windfall revenue. Philly and other places are begging for better air and less smog but again Bracewell brushed aside these concerns.

Rudy did not come cheap dude as he was paid 10 million for his services and a base salary of 1 millon a year, plus 7.5% of the firms ny revenues. Bracewell firm represented Citgo and guess what country owns this dude? Bracewell has helped Rupert Murdock block indecency laws that christian conservatives do not like. Do your homework dude and see who Murdock is. Bracewell provided counsel to the defense fund of a man named Tom Delay and at the same time as it was lobbying Delay and congress to grant immunity to the makers of toxic gasoline additive mtbe that has contaiminated drinking water.

Now dude, you pretend to be someone that is mature but if the truth was known you are probably a teenager and anyone that has no clue of Cheney, W and Rudy behind big oil must be living on the moon. All this will be told one on one in from of the American people when hillary shoots him down to how can he defend his positions when he is part of the positions. W must listen to big oil and Chains and so does Rudy.

Clients abroad have included Saudi Arabia(Remember this country dude? This is the country the neocons are in bed with no matter how many suicide bombers come from there) and also Kazakhstan, where here Bracewell has two offices representing American Oil companies. Bracewell held a campaign fundraiser there dude. A few years ago dude, Enron was it's biggest client. Do you even know who Rudy is dude? Do you think he is some kind of freak cowboy on a white horse from NY that rids crime? It is through Bracewell dude that Rudy has struck gold and he has recruited many of Bush's billionaire buddies. Even these billionaire buddies can't beat Hillary dude. Oil won't beat Hillary.

Tootsie has accepted more money from energy industries thru the first half of 2007 than any other candidate and this is not a mystery why. None of this is going to hurt Rudy dude in the gop nominee but it is going to hit very hard with independents and Democrats and maybe even some Republicans that doesn't want another Haliburton clone in the white house.

In Tx alone dude he has raised over 4 million and has recruited 37 of W's Pioneers and Rangers that was willing to give 100,000 and 200,000 as they did for W. He has big friends of Roy Bailey and i want go into detail who he is but Roy hooked him up with Tx and Bracewell and the rest is history. Another big Tx name in Pat Oxford, is big time in Rudy's campaign, Jim Lee, and Bailey has turned him onto T. Boone Pickens and no you have never heard of him dude but ask people from Tx who this man is. Tom Hicks. You can find out who he is if you read about Mesa Water and he has had 4 wives, semi estranged from his children and he was the one to fund the swift boat veterans for truth to smear John Kerry. He gave 3 millon to smear Kerry to get W the oil man elected.

Alot of people do not like T. in his own home town but the man is shred and can make billions in a drop of a hat dude and it has been thru oil. T has give Rudy a half millon so far. Tom Hicks is big time tied to the Bush's, and bailed out Harken Energy, Bush's former company. Hicks gave 250 million for the Rangers(this is a tx baseball team dude) and was 3 times more than what Bush and his partners gave for it and this gave the failed businessman Bush an instant multimillionaire. W failed in business dude but he is controlled over names you have never heard of but these names have more money than most states in the union. This who controls W and the neocon adm and Rudy tapped into this but it cost these people from Tx to have Rudy and make them another W.

Ever hear of Clear Channel dude? Hicks is vice chairman has helped W anyway he needed it and is like his dad. I am speaking money wise. Clear Channel giving big money to the gop. Hicks has sold Clear Channel now. Last year but again dude, media controls what you hear and what you know. Dig deeper dude and read. You are not going to get the truth from Clear Channel and Fox News. Hannity and O'Reilly won't tell you the insides. They tell you what they want you to hear and know.

Hicks is suppose to raise 30 million for Rudy in Tx and was given this job but they are far from it. Hicks is tied in with Rudy more than W. Rudy is by far got the strongest ties with Tx and oil. No way Fred and your candidate will beat him dude. Tx oil is with Rudy and Rudy is with them and Fred will not over come that connection. In Sept Rudy was at a Texans gamewith Oxford and Bob McNair. McNair also gave a half million to swift boat to dethrone Kerry. Go look up who Bob McNair is.

So dude he is tied in thick with big oil and this is a negative in the public's eyes. Married 3 times is a negative, pro gay rights is a negative in the gop party, pro-gun control mayor is a negative in the gop. In NY Rudy tried to privatize everything he could, hospitals, schools, and even management of central park, while vetoing a living wage ordiinance for city employees. None of this plays good dude. People of NY know Rudy and Hillary will trounce him there and yes it is a blue state but remember Rudy is a half Democrat.

He talks that same stuff dude, 9/11 and terrorist and he has neocon cheerleaders. He is part of the neocons but he has to be dude, this is where alot of the money comes from. He has to sell the public on him and scare them that the terrorist are comming. He is the only one they feel has a chance at Hillary. He has put up 10 power plants in NY over objection from the public and let Consolidated Edison expand along the East River. Other Republicans dude like Pataki from NY was concerned with enviroment issues but not Rudy and guess why? Same as W, same as the neocons and the same as you saying balony to global warming and it is no truth to it.

He wants more nuclear power plants and expand oil drilling. Co Republicans are scarred to death of W, Rudy because alot of the neocons want to drill there and Alaska. Rudy wants to and mentions Alaska. More oil refineries. He has finally dude started talking about global warning on the campaign trail, just as W has. Why? Because it sounds good for the neocons to say this. To pretend they are for clean air and that is a joke. Barbour is with big oil and this is who they will probably tie Rudy up with as Vice.

The gop party has abandoned faith and values dude, morals over big money and oil. They feel they don't need Dobson or they feel they can someway buy him out to come to them and him abandon his faith. I don't think Dobson will sell out. I am not saying all the gop party has sold out but the neocons have and Rudy is part of the neocons and yes he is part Democrat but also a sell out.

Hillary will remind the public who and what Rudy is and she will rip him apart on the big stage and no the race won't be close. The public is tired of big oil and Haliburton with the neocons running there life.

[Janett_Reno]

Fred is the best shot or John McCain to beat Hillary but the Republicans think Rudy is because he is half Democrat. Fred wins and sweeps all the south but the gop had to wake Fred up and he had to sell himself to all over the usa and he hasn't. This is the same man dude is for, is Fred and him and Mitt are the most conservative but big money, big oil Fred and Mitt will never beat. Hillay can beat big money and big oil and she will destroy Rudy and even win some southern states.

[Janett_Reno]

I do not think Fred, Mitt or Rudy can beat Hillary and i do not think Barbour can beat Hillary. The Republicans "think" Rudy has the best shot but i already know Rudy is going to have some problems in the south. This is a big time no no for a Republican to win. This is why dude want's Fred.

I did not know how old and bad Fred actually was. I also thought like dude, if he could sell himself to all over the usa and avoid people finding out who he was and what he stands for, maybe he could become the nominee. He is just to old, to tired and won't answer the questions and i see Rudy beating him, in which i have been reporting Fred would have a tough time over comming Rudy and his money. The election is Rudy against Hillary.

Negatives i have told you about dude on Rudy, will come out when Hillary gets him one on one.

[Janett_Reno]

So dude i gave you some negatives i feel that is out there on Rudy. I know he is half Democrat and this doesn't look good on the Democrats but still i gave you negatives. You laughed and say Rudy has no tie to Tx or big oil and i beg to differ and i think you should watch more news than Fox and CNN. Dig deeper who Rudy is and where he has made his money and who backs him.

I also agree he did do some very good things for NY. I give you credit on that but for you to come off like W, Cheney, Rudy and Fred is a saint and has no negatives is far from the truth. Just as you say Rudy has no big oil ties, like you say global warming is a myth and how you talk of how good it was to have an iraq war. Trust me, the gop will find negatives on Hillary also and they will attack her on them and Rudy will as well but just remember Rudy has negatives.

[dude1394]

I don't know if he has ties to big oil or not, but you shouldn't be so scared of the boogey-man. Big Oil is not the boogie-man, your tin-foil hat types have just convinced you that they are. Big oil risks lots o' bucks to try and hit oil, you should be grateful as they help provide you a pretty good life. Probably sitting around a house with 4 tvs, a couple cars, air-condition, the lights on, etc. All because of the "boogey-man".

And of course they have negatives, everyone does. Only Clinton's negatives don't have to be guessed at, they have been counted, the've been polled and may be the highest in history. I'm just countering your ridiculous "clinton will win the presidency, that's a "FACT"", it's ridiculous. The general election hasn't even come close to being started and is still more than a year away.

Strange things happen once someone actually has to vote for someone and things do change. See Anbar and what's going on in Iraq. See the deficit coming down. See Clinton throw out whacko after whacko proposals to give away the taxpayers money. She is a socialist, sooner or later she'll have to admit it.

I do give her credit for having more balls than the rest of the democrats however, so if someone has to win on the democrat side I'll hold my nose, know she'll screw things up, but the alternative is worse, so I hope it's her, but she's far,far from the shoe-in you think.

As for reading your spewed AP stories, I don't. If you can't digest a little bit of it and post the pertinent parts, I have other things to do with my time.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Janett_Reno

Tootsie is on his third wife, but that his current mate, Judith Nathan, is on her third husband, the question on everyone's mind is what effect will that have on his campaign?

This is not a positive dude and one wife was his cousin and again these doesn't play good to the faith and values crowd.

pro-homosexual agenda (including so-called “gay marriage”), pro-amnesty & sanctuary cities, pro-gun confiscation & banning, pro-abortion-on-demand, and anti-Federalism or words you can understand dude, God, guns, and gays. This is where Rudy drops off with Dobson and the faith and values crowd.

People are also not very fond dude of Rudy tapping into the Bush family Tx connections and bil oil billionaires. Bracewell & Patterson(tx law firm) helped W abandon to regulate carbon dioxide and was against naming co2 as a polluntant, that led to more global waming. Bracewell also persuaded the neocon adm to exempt coal burning power plants from new pollution controls, and i could go on and on with this as it is much more. Bracewell & Patterson with the neocons help have polluted all they can and are letting big oil run rough shot and in 2005 Bracewell got a new partner called Tootsie Giuliana and now it is Bracewell & Giuliani.

Rudy has parterned with big oil and pollution. People sell out for power, just ask W and the neocons. Rudy can't speak bad of the neocons because the same ones back him that back W and that i alot of money and power dude. Oil. Bracewell helped him rise in power and he was from the bluest state dude that had to tap into big oil and red money. Bracewell was his ticket. Cheney, Barbour along with Bracewell was able to take Clinton's restrictions off new source review and it was bascially it was restrictions on big coal and oil, for them to clean their act up and they loopholed there way thru and got restrictions lifted. So now big power plants can pollute again.

They gutted the clean air act and this is why you try to discredit global warming and say it is all false because dude this is one big huge reason Chains and W is in office, for big oil, and energy companies that have no regards for clean air. You and the neocons are not for clean air. They recruited Rudy and he took the cash and sold out also and joined the neocons. Senior epa officials resigned because of this dude.

Eliot Spritzer said the adm has gutted the clean air act and put financial interests of oil, gas and coal companies above the publics right to breathe clean air but again dude i know you do not like clean air and are for $3.00 a gallon gas and dirty air. Anything for a profit and another sell out. Tootsie joined Bracewell in 2005 dude and the firm is regarded as the most well known face of aggressive energy industry lobbying in dc. Since record oil industry profits, they lobbies against tax on windfall revenue. Philly and other places are begging for better air and less smog but again Bracewell brushed aside these concerns.

Rudy did not come cheap dude as he was paid 10 million for his services and a base salary of 1 millon a year, plus 7.5% of the firms ny revenues. Bracewell firm represented Citgo and guess what country owns this dude? Bracewell has helped Rupert Murdock block indecency laws that christian conservatives do not like. Do your homework dude and see who Murdock is. Bracewell provided counsel to the defense fund of a man named Tom Delay and at the same time as it was lobbying Delay and congress to grant immunity to the makers of toxic gasoline additive mtbe that has contaiminated drinking water.

Now dude, you pretend to be someone that is mature but if the truth was known you are probably a teenager and anyone that has no clue of Cheney, W and Rudy behind big oil must be living on the moon. All this will be told one on one in from of the American people when hillary shoots him down to how can he defend his positions when he is part of the positions. W must listen to big oil and Chains and so does Rudy.

Clients abroad have included Saudi Arabia(Remember this country dude? This is the country the neocons are in bed with no matter how many suicide bombers come from there) and also Kazakhstan, where here Bracewell has two offices representing American Oil companies. Bracewell held a campaign fundraiser there dude. A few years ago dude, Enron was it's biggest client. Do you even know who Rudy is dude? Do you think he is some kind of freak cowboy on a white horse from NY that rids crime? It is through Bracewell dude that Rudy has struck gold and he has recruited many of Bush's billionaire buddies. Even these billionaire buddies can't beat Hillary dude. Oil won't beat Hillary.

Tootsie has accepted more money from energy industries thru the first half of 2007 than any other candidate and this is not a mystery why. None of this is going to hurt Rudy dude in the gop nominee but it is going to hit very hard with independents and Democrats and maybe even some Republicans that doesn't want another Haliburton clone in the white house.

In Tx alone dude he has raised over 4 million and has recruited 37 of W's Pioneers and Rangers that was willing to give 100,000 and 200,000 as they did for W. He has big friends of Roy Bailey and i want go into detail who he is but Roy hooked him up with Tx and Bracewell and the rest is history. Another big Tx name in Pat Oxford, is big time in Rudy's campaign, Jim Lee, and Bailey has turned him onto T. Boone Pickens and no you have never heard of him dude but ask people from Tx who this man is. Tom Hicks. You can find out who he is if you read about Mesa Water and he has had 4 wives, semi estranged from his children and he was the one to fund the swift boat veterans for truth to smear John Kerry. He gave 3 millon to smear Kerry to get W the oil man elected.

Alot of people do not like T. in his own home town but the man is shred and can make billions in a drop of a hat dude and it has been thru oil. T has give Rudy a half millon so far. Tom Hicks is big time tied to the Bush's, and bailed out Harken Energy, Bush's former company. Hicks gave 250 million for the Rangers(this is a tx baseball team dude) and was 3 times more than what Bush and his partners gave for it and this gave the failed businessman Bush an instant multimillionaire. W failed in business dude but he is controlled over names you have never heard of but these names have more money than most states in the union. This who controls W and the neocon adm and Rudy tapped into this but it cost these people from Tx to have Rudy and make them another W.

Ever hear of Clear Channel dude? Hicks is vice chairman has helped W anyway he needed it and is like his dad. I am speaking money wise. Clear Channel giving big money to the gop. Hicks has sold Clear Channel now. Last year but again dude, media controls what you hear and what you know. Dig deeper dude and read. You are not going to get the truth from Clear Channel and Fox News. Hannity and O'Reilly won't tell you the insides. They tell you what they want you to hear and know.

Hicks is suppose to raise 30 million for Rudy in Tx and was given this job but they are far from it. Hicks is tied in with Rudy more than W. Rudy is by far got the strongest ties with Tx and oil. No way Fred and your candidate will beat him dude. Tx oil is with Rudy and Rudy is with them and Fred will not over come that connection. In Sept Rudy was at a Texans gamewith Oxford and Bob McNair. McNair also gave a half million to swift boat to dethrone Kerry. Go look up who Bob McNair is.

So dude he is tied in thick with big oil and this is a negative in the public's eyes. Married 3 times is a negative, pro gay rights is a negative in the gop party, pro-gun control mayor is a negative in the gop. In NY Rudy tried to privatize everything he could, hospitals, schools, and even management of central park, while vetoing a living wage ordiinance for city employees. None of this plays good dude. People of NY know Rudy and Hillary will trounce him there and yes it is a blue state but remember Rudy is a half Democrat.

He talks that same stuff dude, 9/11 and terrorist and he has neocon cheerleaders. He is part of the neocons but he has to be dude, this is where alot of the money comes from. He has to sell the public on him and scare them that the terrorist are comming. He is the only one they feel has a chance at Hillary. He has put up 10 power plants in NY over objection from the public and let Consolidated Edison expand along the East River. Other Republicans dude like Pataki from NY was concerned with enviroment issues but not Rudy and guess why? Same as W, same as the neocons and the same as you saying balony to global warming and it is no truth to it.

He wants more nuclear power plants and expand oil drilling. Co Republicans are scarred to death of W, Rudy because alot of the neocons want to drill there and Alaska. Rudy wants to and mentions Alaska. More oil refineries. He has finally dude started talking about global warning on the campaign trail, just as W has. Why? Because it sounds good for the neocons to say this. To pretend they are for clean air and that is a joke. Barbour is with big oil and this is who they will probably tie Rudy up with as Vice.

The gop party has abandoned faith and values dude, morals over big money and oil. They feel they don't need Dobson or they feel they can someway buy him out to come to them and him abandon his faith. I don't think Dobson will sell out. I am not saying all the gop party has sold out but the neocons have and Rudy is part of the neocons and yes he is part Democrat but also a sell out.

Hillary will remind the public who and what Rudy is and she will rip him apart on the big stage and no the race won't be close. The public is tired of big oil and Haliburton with the neocons running there life.

A rant truly worthy of a koskid. You'd get a lot better reception there, here it's just the ramblings of a petulent child.

[Janett_Reno]

That is a start dude, i want to give you credit. You said i don't know if he has ties to big oil or not and i must say i respect you for this because normally in other post you would never back up. We all make mistakes and i sure do. It is all an opinion if or who would make a good pres anyway.

Imo i feel Rudy would make a better pres than Fred. I know Rudy is tied down to dirty money but i just do not feel Fred could ever handle the job. The only bad thing is big oil and alot of the same stuff we are tied to now with W, would still be there with Rudy but i feel he would be much much better than W. I do not feel Fred would make a good pres but by all means yes he or any nominee would be better than this adm. I do not feel the neocons could control Rudy as much as they could with W and Rudy would not always go with them.

It is all a big money game dude and even gop big money companies are pouring into Hillary now because they feel she might win and they think this makes her have ties with her and if the truth was known dude, this is what is wrong with politics. Because the money will probably have influence over all candidates, once they get in office to help the ones that put them in. Democrats also and i admit it.

[dude1394]

The lefts infatuation with big oil is ludicrous, just ludicrous. What exactly are they doing that is so bad?

Do they force you to drive a car? No then stop, aren't you "gutting" the environment everytime you do?
Do they force you to take a plane?
Do they force you to have 4 tvs in the house?
Live in a southern city so you can run the AC half the year?
Have lights on everywhere?

No, it's all you Janett. If you didn't buy it, they wouldn't sell it. I sometimes wonder if the left just rails at "big oil" because they know it's their hypocritical lifestyle that puts another dollar in their pocket and they are ashamed of themselves. They won't admit that they are hypocrites so they rail at "big oil". Silly and childish.

[Janett_Reno]

Money can control decisions. This means Democrats also and this is a downside of politics. High oil prices hurt our economy and so does a low dollar. You are right in that China, Russia and India with the population and consumption has helped push prices up. This is not the only reason.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Janett_Reno

Money can control decisions. This means Democrats also and this is a downside of politics. High oil prices hurt our economy and so does a low dollar. You are right in that China, Russia and India with the population and consumption has helped push prices up. This is not the only reason.

Sure there has also been speculation but that is an ebb and flow, not a constant uptick, in fact sometimes the speculation will push prices the other way.

Absolutely high oil prices hurt our economy, who's ever said differently? So what are the other reasons that the big boogey-man has done?

How does a low dollar necessarily hurt our economy?

Care to actual put some thought behind these koskid posts?

[FishForLunch]

Looks like democrats are now starting to get money from Big Oil, Big Drug, Big Insurance and Big Wallstreet. If the dems take over will these companies lose the "Big" tag?

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Boy janet...your retention is awful. I said almost a year ago it would be Rudi... You are projecting again.

And clinton's 2 points ahead of rudi huh....Slam dunk, right. You article is also projecting, it isn't taking into account that Clintons negatives are just about (possibly are) the highest in history. And everyone already knows her.

it's rudy, not rudi.....

I saw this in the post. interesting results, specifically the highlighted parts relatting to negative ratings:

In Latest Poll, Good News for Both Clintons
Senator Has 8-Point Lead Over Giuliani

By Dan Balz and Jon Cohen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, October 4, 2007; A01



Former president Bill Clinton has emerged as a clear asset in his wife's campaign for the White House, with Americans offering high ratings to his eight years in office and a solid majority saying they would be comfortable with him as first spouse, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

But Americans said they would not regard the election of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) as simply the resumption of her husband's presidency. Instead, two-thirds said she would take her presidency in a different direction, and half of all Americans said they believed that would be a good development. About half of those who said it would be a resumption described that as positive.

The survey also showed Hillary Clinton with an early advantage in a matchup of the party front-runners. A majority of those polled support her over former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, who has reveled in taking swipes at Clinton in recent weeks and yesterday offered an unflattering comparison of her to 1972 Democratic nominee George S. McGovern.

The former president is very much at the center of his wife's campaign -- helping to raise money, muscling endorsements, providing strategic and policy advice, and joining her on the trail. But, after the political and personal turbulence that occurred during his two terms in the White House, there have been persistent questions about whether the nation is eager for what could amount to a third Clinton presidential term.

At this point, however, the former president is seen in favorable terms. Two-thirds of Americans said they approve of the job he did while he was in office -- virtually the reverse of President Bush's current approval rating, which stands at 33 percent. Clinton remains overwhelmingly popular among Democrats, and 63 percent of independents and even a third of Republicans also gave him positive marks.

Many Republicans have said that they are eager to run a general-election campaign against Hillary Clinton, describing her as a highly polarizing candidate who would unite and energize the opposition. But, as of now, Clinton appears to be no more polarizing than other leading Democratic contenders. Nor is there a potential Republican nominee who appears significantly less polarizing.

Forty-one percent of those surveyed said they definitely would not vote for Clinton in the general election if she were the Democratic nominee, one of the lowest "reject rates" among the leading candidates in either of the two major parties. Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) registers the lowest definite opposition, at 39 percent.

Former senator John Edwards of North Carolina often contends that he is the most electable Democrat and one who can campaign successfully in regions where Clinton cannot, but the poll found that, over the past five months, more Americans have turned away from him as a general-election option. In April, 35 percent said they definitely would not vote for him; in the latest poll, 43 percent ruled him out. And in the South, Edwards's home turf, the three leading Democrats have all been ruled out by nearly identical percentages: Edwards by 47 percent, Clinton by 46 percent and Obama by 45 percent.

Americans currently view the top four Republican candidates in equally or even more negative terms. Forty-four percent said they definitely would not vote for Giuliani, while 45 percent said the same of Sen. John McCain (Ariz.). More than half of all Americans said they definitely would not vote for former senator Fred D. Thompson of Tennessee (54 percent) or former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney (57 percent).

On the other side of the ledger, more Americans, three in 10, said they definitely would support Clinton rather than any of the other leading candidates of either party. In contrast, 17 percent said they definitely would support Giuliani.

With such high levels of disaffection, next year's presidential campaign will combine efforts to energize hard-core Republicans and Democrats with appeals to independent voters, who heavily favored Democrats in the 2006 midterm elections.

At this point, a hypothetical matchup between Clinton and Giuliani shows the senator leading the former mayor 51 percent to 43 percent. When the Post-ABC News poll last tested the two against each other, in January, the race was a tossup, with Clinton at 49 percent and Giuliani at 47 percent. In the new poll, among those following the campaign very closely, Clinton enjoys a sizable lead -- 58 percent to 40 percent.

A Clinton-Giuliani race could produce a big gender gap. Men now split about evenly between the two, but Clinton's potentially groundbreaking candidacy draws heavy support among women, 57 percent to 39 percent.

Independents split their support: 48 percent for Clinton and 44 percent for Giuliani. But both have overwhelming support from members of their parties. Clinton, however, benefits from the fact that self-identified Democrats outnumber self-identified Republicans. The number of Americans who identified themselves as Republican is near a seven-year low in the new poll.

If Clinton is drawing on good feelings about her husband's presidency, Giuliani's candidacy is buoyed by memories of his performance after terrorists destroyed the twin towers of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001.

Almost nine in 10 Americans said Giuliani did an excellent or good job in the aftermath of the attacks, including 40 percent who gave him the highest mark. Majorities of Republicans, Democrats and independents rated his performance positively. Among those who give him an excellent mark, 64 percent said they support him, while 34 percent said they back Clinton.

While neither Clinton nor Giuliani can yet claim their respective nominations, Giuliani has made attacks on her a major focus of his campaign, as if to show Republicans that he hungers for a general-election contest against her. The latest came Wednesday, when he attacked her proposal to establish a $5,000 savings account for each child, comparing it derisively to a 1972 proposal by then-Democratic nominee McGovern to give every American $1,000.

The poll was conducted last Thursday through Sunday among a national random sample of 1,114 adults. The results have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points.

[Janett_Reno]

As of yet, big oil companies are not giving to the Democrats(that i know of or anywhere close what Rudy is receiving and maybe no money from them). It is an all out race for the oil companies for Rudy. The same very close friends of W in the oil business are in with Rudy and Rudy in with them. Fred needed Tx, to ever over take Rudy in the south and it did hurt Fred he got in so late and Rudy had a good start and lead. Fred needed the big oil money and money men from Tx but again he didn't get this.

I doubt the oil men and oil companies will give anything to Hillary because Bill started to put restrictions on big oil, coal, and pollution to clean our air up. Barbour and W helped undo all this and Bracewell helped them and again this is owned also by Rudy. It is all tied in together. W and Chains with the help of Barbour and Rudy's company took these restrictions off. So you can understand who they will back and they would fear Hillary cleaning our air up, restrictions on coal and oil companies. If not, they would get big fines. This is also why W, Chains and Rudy doesn't want to talk about or pretend it is false about global warming. When you speak of global warming it is alot of stuff to blame and this again touches on big oil.

Yes you are right about drug companies, wall street firms, insurance companies giving to Hillary and wanting to get in good with her. This makes it hard in politics and can these politicians turn there back on people and firms that give to them or do they try to help them out in office, when bills are voted on? How could W and Chains ever turn there back on oil? So yes it is a problem with Democrats and Republicans as they probably favor who helped give them power.


Very good article Mavdog. I also think Bill helps her. Maybe one positive thing that can help Rudy, is when the nominee is announced, maybe Republicans can back Rudy more than they are now. I am saying this is a possibilty for him. Even with the vice pres announcements for Hillary and Rudy. I am not just saying this to throw it out but i am honest when i say this, i feel Rudy does need the faith and values vote. I am speaking of the James Dobson and Pat Robertson followers. This is a big block of voters. If the Republicans or Democrats get a thrid party to run or someone just does, that stands with Dobson on abortion and they vote for the 3rd party candidate, it will only hurt Rudy.

When Bill had his little Monica act then the American people wanted to back away from saying i am Democrat or i voted for Bill. Eight years of this adm and as bad as it has been and even looking worse in the next year, you hear the same thing, you hear people backing away from i am Republican and i do not want another Republican in. So i feel that article has some of those polling numbers in it.

Big money helps both parties get elected. In the senate and house the Democrats are way ahead of the Republicans in money. For the white house it is the same and Rudy has said he has concerns over this. Why the house and senate is so vital, is the Republicans have more places and states they must defend. In return they need to spend more money. The gop party is trying to talk to some of the Republicans that have announced they would retire, to undo this and stay on. They will have to drop certain places to let go and not defend.

If the Republicans want a breath of fresh air and a knock on the Democrats then you do look at Pelosi and congress. They went in on helping solve or get out of Iraq. The majority of people want out. The majority of iraqi's want us out. These are very important times now. For the world and even these politicans. Does congress help us get out of the mess we are in Iraq or do they just ease along with W and do not rock the boat? Remember the people want the boat rocked and are against W, Chains and this adm. So this is where the Democrats and congress is skating on thin ice. The people want them to make a firm stand and break from Iraq and this pres. Will they?

Go read the news articles today, this week and notice how this adm is starting it up more with Iran. They want to go into Iran so bad they can taste it. Can they sell it to the American people and congress and see again where congress could fall on it's face or they could come through. These are very important times because Iran is not Iraq and if this happens, more will get in on the war and open up bigger. If you ask me, i have no doubt that bad is happening and Iran is making it worse for us in Iraq. I do believe this but is a wrong worth making the war bigger and more global? All this has an affect on these politics we are talking about as well.

[dude1394]

To Janett::

Originally Posted by dude1394

Sure there has also been speculation but that is an ebb and flow, not a constant uptick, in fact sometimes the speculation will push prices the other way.

Absolutely high oil prices hurt our economy, who's ever said differently? So what are the other reasons that the big boogey-man has done?

How does a low dollar necessarily hurt our economy?

Care to actual put some thought behind these koskid posts?

In my continuing quest to educate you janet I present some more information to you on a weak/strong dollar. Again back to what has become my fav blog, backtalk.
http://engram-backtalk.blogspot.com/...k-economy.html

As I have said before, though, one should not really talk about a weak dollar vs. a strong dollar (because "weak" sounds bad and "strong" sounds good). Instead, one should talk about an "export-encouraging/import-discouraging dollar" (what others call "weak) vs. an "import-encouraging/export-discouraging dollar (what others call "strong"). In light of our large trade deficit, it is good that we now have an export-encouraging/import-discouraging dollar:

Well, you can call it a "weaker" dollar, but that's not really the best term. In reality, it is an export-encouraging/import-discouraging dollar, and that seems like a good thing. It means that interest rates are low in America (as they have been for a long time) and are expected to stay that way for a while. It also means that companies in Europe that depend on exports to America are going to suffer. Unfortunately, though, everyone seems to think that a "weak" dollar means a weak economy. It's not true.

[dude1394]

A post relating to Clintons "un-elecatbility"? numbers. None of this will mean much until she's nominated and there is an opponent. Not good about those older voters as I imaging they will definitely get to the polls I would imagine.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1376

Other top tier candidates in both parties win more acceptance; Richardson & Huckabee favored most

While she is winning wide support in nationwide samples among Democrats in the race for their party’s presidential nomination, half of likely voters nationwide said they would never vote for New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, a new Zogby Interactive poll shows.

The online survey of 9,718 likely voters nationwide showed that 50% said Clinton would never get their presidential vote. This is up from 46% who said they could never vote for Clinton in a Zogby International telephone survey conducted in early March. Older voters are most resistant to Clinton – 59% of those age 65 and older said they would never vote for the New York senator, but she is much more acceptable to younger voters: 42% of those age 18–29 said they would never vote for Clinton for President.

[Janett_Reno]

I read an independent big trusted poll over the weekend. It claimed Republicans that was going around saying Hillary has negative numbers and one of the highest negative "saying we would not vote for her" is pure total false. dude, listen to this, the one liners are done. The more you and others go around saying we want war, attack Syria, attack Iran lose the gop votes. You saying Hillary is a lesbian when she is married to a man lose the gop votes. Saying she is communinist, lose the gop votes.

Saying a man is smarter than a woman and women are terrible lose the gop votes. Saying we are faith and values and we have morals lose the gop votes as almost monthly and sometimes weekly it is more gay gop sex and even dealings with prostitutes. Saying Al Gore is stupid and global warming does not exist, again loses the gop votes.


Agreeing on everything that is happening, for big high price oil running this country, to shut out the middle class and poor, a cheerleader for war and more war with more countries and now Bush today asked for an extra 140 billion won't help dude. People actually read now dude and care for the country and politics. You try to defend anything this adm does at the expense of selling your country out and i agree with Alan Greenspan, it is bad wrong. He said recession is just ahead of us, higher gas, higher oil, higher groceries and cost of living and bring home paychecks are worse than they have been in along time. Other day this adm told the old people and poor, that they had pulled money from the home heating to help the old and poor, so don't look to us to help you. Social security checks for people will get a small raise but they said it would not be a 5% raise as cost of living had rose but 2 to 3% raise.

This is the worst high big spenders ever in the history of the USA and they try to keep on trying to wreck this country. So you keep on spewing one liners and the polls will put the first woman president in ever and you and this administration helped her and all she can say is "a big thank you".

The poll i saw had John McCain the most liked, followed by i think Edwards and third was Clinton. This was people that had the least negative vote and guess who came in last or close to last? Rudy. Now it is being reported that today Rudy has flip flopped, and said

The New Rudy: I'd Support A Constitutional Ban On Gay Marriage, to get the faith and values vote. But see dude this is a hypocrite when he has always said Flashback: Rudy Said He Would Personally Marry His Gay Roommates...

Hillary must watch this also, but atleast she admitted a mistake in a vote on Iraq as where she must not get caught up saying different things each week. If Rudy does this and keeps on, then Fred or another has a better shot at catching him. That is like one seek he is a Democrat, next week an Independent and the next a Republican. You are not for abortion one week and next week against it. You are not dressing in womens clothes one week and for gay marriage and next week against it.

Rudy and Barbour will not beat Hillary Clinton. The Republican party hasn't got enough oil money to beat her. When she gets Rudy on stage and in a debate, she will destroy him. It is one person that can beat Hillary in a debate and his name is Bill Clinton. Obama is very good and comming along also.

As far as a low dollar, isn't good. High oil isn't good. Recession isn't good like Alan Greenspan said we are going into. For any in here that want's good information, you better get out of debt because it is going to be much harder on you if you don't. As Greenspan says interest rates will have to be pushed up to 6 to 10% and again this will hurt this country. Because all of us that have money will stick our money in cd's, while ones in debt will keep losing their house, car and whatever else.

Young people are going to vote this time dude, women are in record numbers and minorities are. It is nothing you or the gop party can do to keep them home. Your next shot being a cheerleader is when Jeb Bush announces his presidency run in 4 or 8 years.

[Janett_Reno]

The poll was from and maybe they are not independent and maybe they are Democrats, i am not sure.

ABC NEWS/WASHINGTON POST POLL. Sept. 27-30, 2007

"If [see below] wins the Democratic/Republican nomination for president would you definitely vote for him/her in the general election for president in 2008, would you consider voting for him/her or would you definitely not vote for him/her?"

PERCENT SAYING "DEFINITELY WOULD NOT"

Obama -- 39%
Clinton -- 41%
Edwards -- 43%
Giuliani -- 44%
McCain -- 45%
Thompson -- 54%
Romney -- 57%


Sen. Hillary Clinton is no more polarizing than other Dems, and less polarizing than every leading Republican. Further, every Dem is less polarizing than every Republican, even the sainted John McCain and Rudy Giuliani. Yet there has been no punditocracy discussion of whether McCain, Giuliani, Thompson "can win" either nationally or in certain areas of the country. Pundits do sometimes discuss Romney's electability, but that's only because there has been discussion of whether a Mormon can win the presidency. (And the particularly high negative for Romney indicates that anti-Mormon bigotry is something he still needs to address head on.) Having said all that, the whole question of polarization when gauging presidential candidates is obsolete. In today's political and media landscape, any candidate will be (and is) rejected by 40% of the country on Day 1.

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So dude when you see a poll like this, then you must go back to saying Hillary is a woman, Hillary is a lesbian, Hillary is a communist, Hillary is married to Bill Clinton and i fear him, we are the chosen ones and are faith and values and we have all the morals and we don't share them with others outside the gop party, she will raise your taxes, she is really the big spender, she is a woman and afraid of war, she doesn't have any ties with Haliburton, she will help the poor and middle class and the gop doesn't want this and surely the American public do not want this.

So let the one liner's rip dude, as it helps put Hillary closer and closer to president each and everyday. When someone can't beat someone fair and square, when you can't out debate them, when you can't stand with your own party on issues, when the faith and values are gone and morals are shot down and a thing of the past, what is left to do? One liners. Remember the swift boat is done dude and Rudy is the same religion as John Kerry, he stands with alot of Democrats on the issues, plus he is tied to big oil and he is from NY going to try to take all the red state southern votes. He won't win all the red southern states.

I agree with one thing you say, the election is along time away and the gop has plenty of time to make attack ads of swift boats on Hillary and one liner attack ads or wait and let Hillary make a bad mistake. That is not impossible dude that she makes a mistake and the election is along time off but i don't think swift boat ads, lesbian ads, women ads and other one liners will hurt her. You will have to beat her on the issues. This is one thing i do respect Mavdog on, he stays on the issues and he answers them better than you and i, regardless if it helps the Republicans or Democrats and the Rudy will have to beat Hillary on the issues.

[dude1394]

So are you saying the Zogby poll is in error or are you just spinning her numbers because of your partisanship? I don't believe I see a "one-liner" in that post, but you keep right on raving.

I still don't recall a comment from you on the lower dollar or why oil prices are so high from the "boogie-men". I see that you repeated it, nice go Lenin, the big lie does work. Try harder to think a little bit, you'll feel better.

The other poll you referenced was it from likely voters or just general polled? It makes a difference you know.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Janett_Reno

The poll was from and maybe they are not independent and maybe they are Democrats, i am not sure.

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So dude when you see a poll like this, then you must go back to saying Hillary is a woman, Hillary is a lesbian, Hillary is a communist, Hillary is married to Bill Clinton and i fear him, we are the chosen ones and are faith and values and we have all the morals and we don't share them with others outside the gop party, she will raise your taxes, she is really the big spender, she is a woman and afraid of war, she doesn't have any ties with Haliburton, she will help the poor and middle class and the gop doesn't want this and surely the American public do not want this.

So let the one liner's rip dude, as it helps put Hillary closer and closer to president each and everyday. When someone can't beat someone fair and square, when you can't out debate them, when you can't stand with your own party on issues, when the faith and values are gone and morals are shot down and a thing of the past, what is left to do? One liners. Remember the swift boat is done dude and Rudy is the same religion as John Kerry, he stands with alot of Democrats on the issues, plus he is tied to big oil and he is from NY going to try to take all the red state southern votes. He won't win all the red southern states.

I agree with one thing you say, the election is along time away and the gop has plenty of time to make attack ads of swift boats on Hillary and one liner attack ads or wait and let Hillary make a bad mistake. That is not impossible dude that she makes a mistake and the election is along time off but i don't think swift boat ads, lesbian ads, women ads and other one liners will hurt her. You will have to beat her on the issues. This is one thing i do respect Mavdog on, he stays on the issues and he answers them better than you and i, regardless if it helps the Republicans or Democrats and the Rudy will have to beat Hillary on the issues.

Janet...you crack me up...You take about a millisecond to actually think about what you are posting before you post it. You don't engage in "one-liners", that would require you to read, comprehend and then comment either with humour or with something relevant. You engage in blanket rants and AP regurgitation. Probably directly lifted from the koskids.

I wouldn't begin to speak for mavie, but I imagine he thinks you are about as much of an looney tunes as I do.

[Janett_Reno]

Rudy, nor any Republican will beat Hillary Clinton in the up comming election. Not only is this adm hanging around the Republicans neck, Rudy or Fred was't the best candidates to run against Hillary. The only hope is time is on your side and maybe Hillary will make a mistake. This is the only hope.