Chris Young is pitching a gem....4 outs from no no

[Drbio]

ESPN is showing it right now if you switch over.....wow.

[Drbio]

6-0 Padres....Young looks amazing tonight.


Strike out!!!!

3 outs from a no no!

[Drbio]

Had a perfect game into the sixth inning. The only blemish tonight is one walk.


wow.



The 6 foot 10 Young is raking it tonight.

[nashtymavsfan13]

is it still going? did you jinx it?

[Drbio]

ESPN cut away...they will go back when he is pitching.

It is a no no through 8...Padres batting.


The Padres were formed in 1969 and have never had a no hitter.

[Drbio]

It's back on and he is now 2 outs away......

[Drbio]

The fans are absolutely great in San Diego tonight.


Every pitch is being cheered like crazy.



Nice atmosphere.

[nashtymavsfan13]

Oh man, I hope he does it. Wow a possible two no no's within a week or so?! Wow.

[Drbio]

Walked a guy in the ninth.....his second walk.


Go CY!

[Drbio]

He's starting to show signs of being tired.

[Drbio]

91 pitches and counting...he should be fine.

[Drbio]

Aw man.....he lost it but what an effort.


2 run homer and a standing ovation.

[Five-ofan]

and its over, the ump was squeezing him pretty good considering he had a no no that late.

[nashtymavsfan13]

Dang that sucks. Nice effort though.

[mary]

That sucks!

[Drbio]

Man no kidding....he couldn't catch a break on the last 9-15 pitches.


He earned a very nice ovation there.

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by Drbio

Man no kidding....he couldn't catch a break on the last 9-15 pitches.


He earned a very nice ovation there.

I cant believe both sliders on the guy he walked and the 2-0 fastball to randa werent called strikes in that game situation..

[Drbio]

ESPN just reported that was Chris' second career no no into the ninth inning. Pretty impressive for a young guy.


I'm on the CY bandwagon now and wish he hadn't been traded, although I really like Aki O.

[nashtymavsfan13]

CY>Aki

[mary]

I like Aki, but you can't give up a starter for a closer...and Adam Eaton didn't even want to be here.

I'm sorry, but the majority of John Daniels' moves really sucked balls IMO.

[nashtymavsfan13]

and wasn't aki brought in to be the setup man?

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by mary

I like Aki, but you can't give up a starter for a closer...and Adam Eaton didn't even want to be here.

I'm sorry, but the majority of John Daniels' moves really sucked balls IMO.

Well lets see, we traded a piece of crap for our ace, we traded a horrible defensive second basemen who didnt want to be here for an outfielder who it turned out was damaged goods(horrible deal), we traded a blocked player and a decent relatively young pitcher(CY hasnt been that great and he wouldnt have been as good here as he was there) for a Closer and an equal starting pitcher who just happened to get hurt. As for the Carlos lee deal, we traded a setup man and an average outfielder for 2 better outfielders. Overall i would say he has done a pretty solid job outside of the soriano deal.

[#1MavsFan]

Originally Posted by Drbio

ESPN just reported that was Chris' second career no no into the ninth inning. Pretty impressive for a young guy.


I'm on the CY bandwagon now and wish he hadn't been traded, although I really like Aki O.

Can't believe we traded away a young pitcher, who could actually pitch. I don't want to hear about the heat issues the fact is that the rangers messed up bad by trading him away.

[mary]

The Wilkerson/Soriano deal is flat out embarassing. And guess what, he didn't exactly act like he was too thrilled playing for the Nats either...but 45, 40 and probably a Gold Glove.

As for the Lee deal....given that he'e going to want a ton of money to stay here, he's fat, slow and MIGHT be a marginally better outfielder then Mench...give me Mench and Cordero back. Please. Cordero was doing great in the set-up role, and losing him probably cost this club some games.

As for Young, I don't really care if "wouldn't have been that good here" as he was in San Diego. I care that he WAS GOOD when he was here. His 2005 ERA of 4.26 would be the LOWEST ERA on the current starting staff...just a tick lower than Padilla...our ACE. And lets not forget we also gave up A-Gon in that deal.

Solid job my ass.

[jthig32]

A Gold Glove??? Are you talking about Sori??? The guy that leads the majors for errors by an outfielder? A gold glove? What on earth are you talking about?

Ok, look. The Sori deal is NOT flat out embarassing. You HAD to clear room for Kinsler. You had to. And there's no way Sori was going to move to LF for a rookie, on his current team. It just wouldn't have happened. It would have affected the lockerroom and the clubhouse.

It doesn't help that Sori went on and had his career year. But let's wait and see what happens next year. Wilkerson didn't work out, that's for sure. But Sori had to be traded. There's no denying that. But, let's also remember that the Padilla deal is generally tied to the Sori deal. We saved about 5 mil on that deal for this year, and that's about what Padilla cost us. So, Padilla, Kinsler and Wilkerson (who WILL have a good year next year) or Sori and waiver wirer pitcher?

On the Chris Young trade, I was against it from the beginning, and would still like a do-over. But, let's not kid ourselvesm Chris Young would not be putting up the same numbers over here. No only would he come back to a hitter's park, but you can add a half run onto the ERA just for moving to the AL, period.

Again, I'd love to have the deal back because I think Eaton is gone after this season, and Agon and Young is a lot to give up for Aki, but let's not act like this is a horrible trade. It's actually turned out better than I expected.

Let's not forget Ric Rodriguez for Padilla. That was thievery. Think Philly fans are mad at Gillick? Philly's in the playoffs right now if they don't make that trade.

Let's also not forget him picking up Rheinecker and Koronka in an emergency move after Eaton went down. Are those guys going to be all stars, or even be in the rotation next year? No, but they sure saved us this year. They gave us a shot to be competitive, and those are the kinds of good moves that good GM's make.

Now, the Lee deal. I was for the deal, but tempering excitement at the same time when it happened. Cordero is pitching very well for them, but he was our setup man, and was about to see a dramatic increase in his contract. Everything I've read suggests that there was no way the Rangers were going to pick up his option. So, you can't think about losing Cordero. He was gone. So, we traded Mench (who's been flat dreadful since the trade) and Nix, who is no longer a legitimate prospect, for Lee, and Cruz, who is a very highly regarded OF prospect.

From what I've seen of Cruz so far, he's our starting RF next year. Now I agree on Lee, I don't want him back. But I don't think we ever intended on bringing him back. We got him for the stretch run, which ultimately failed. But, assuming they don't get rid of draft pick compensation, we'll get two picks for him when he signs elsewhere.

Mench + Nix for Cruz and 2 months of Lee and a chance at a Division Title is a good deal. A lot of teams were offering a very nice package of prospects for Lee, and we got him for almost nothing.

Let's also not overlook the Delucci for Tejeda deal. Tejeda really appears to be turning a corner right now, and should be in the rotation all of next year. That's a great trade if that happens.

Daniels has had a mixed bag so far, but it's a mixed bag from being aggressive, and trying to clean up the complete mess that Hart left. He HAD to show he was willing to take chances in order to make this team better. I still believe the Lee trade had more to do with sending a message to the clubhouse as it did with winning the division. If you want to resign Young and Tex, you're going to have to repair all the damage Hart did.

Phew, this turned out long.

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by mary

The Wilkerson/Soriano deal is flat out embarassing. And guess what, he didn't exactly act like he was too thrilled playing for the Nats either...but 45, 40 and probably a Gold Glove.

As for the Lee deal....given that he'e going to want a ton of money to stay here, he's fat, slow and MIGHT be a marginally better outfielder then Mench...give me Mench and Cordero back. Please. Cordero was doing great in the set-up role, and losing him probably cost this club some games.

As for Young, I don't really care if "wouldn't have been that good here" as he was in San Diego. I care that he WAS GOOD when he was here. His 2005 ERA of 4.26 would be the LOWEST ERA on the current starting staff...just a tick lower than Padilla...our ACE. And lets not forget we also gave up A-Gon in that deal.

Solid job my ass.

If you think sori has any shot at a gold glove theres not a whole to discuss... He is the worst outfielder in baseball with the possible exception of carlos lee who is downright awful...

[jthig32]

People look at the outfield assists and assume he's playing well. Actually, as the writers that comer him have noted, he has all those assists because he keeps misplaying balls, and runners keep trying to take the extra base on him.

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by jthig32

People look at the outfield assists and assume he's playing well. Actually, as the writers that comer him have noted, he has all those assists because he keeps misplaying balls, and runners keep trying to take the extra base on him.

Yeah, lee is pathetic defensively too though. I cant believe how truly bad that man is in the outfield. Good lord. If ever there was a man meant to be a DH its him.

[mary]

Yeah..I don't watch Nats games...so if you guys say Soriano is a bad outfielder - I'll just have to take your word for it.. I've also been told that GMJ is a horrible outfielder as well...but there's been plenty of local buzz about him winning a GG.

And if you want to use that as a convenient way to cop out of the rest of the argument, go ahead. I bow down to your vast knowledge of baseball....

For those that responded without being condescending..thank you.

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by mary

Yeah..I don't watch Nats games...so if you guys say Soriano is a bad outfielder - I'll just have to take your word for it.. I've also been told that GMJ is a horrible outfielder as well...but there's been plenty of local buzz about him winning a GG.

And if you want to use that as a convenient way to cop out of the rest of the argument, go ahead. I bow down to your vast knowledge of baseball....

For those that responded without being condescending..thank you.

Ive already argued the trades with the exception of the Juan dom trade which was another plus for daniels. You did not honestly just compare GMJ and Sori as defensive outfielders did you??? please god tell me you are kidding. Thats the equivalent of comparing Jerry stackhouse and Bruce Bowen defensively. Give me a break. Sori is still leaps and bounds better than Wilk though so that was definitely a negative trade. I just think that at worst we came out even while trying to be agressive.

[mary]

On the Chris Young trade, I was against it from the beginning, and would still like a do-over. But, let's not kid ourselvesm Chris Young would not be putting up the same numbers over here. No only would he come back to a hitter's park, but you can add a half run onto the ERA just for moving to the AL, period.

Once again, he was putting up good numbers at the Ballpark so its not like he was Chan Ho-ing it up just because he was in a hitter's ballpark.

[mary]

Originally Posted by Five-ofan

Ive already argued the trades with the exception of the Juan dom trade which was another plus for daniels. You did not honestly just compare GMJ and Sori as defensive outfielders did you??? please god tell me you are kidding. Thats the equivalent of comparing Jerry stackhouse and Bruce Bowen defensively. Give me a break. Sori is still leaps and bounds better than Wilk though so that was definitely a negative trade. I just think that at worst we came out even while trying to be agressive.

No...I did not say Sori and GMJ are similar outfielders..you're making that up. I simply made the comment that GMJ has been called a bad outfielder. After work, I'll find the link.

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by mary

No..I simply made that comment that GMJ has been called a bad outfielder. After work, I'll find the link.

To whomever said that, they are incorrect. By alot.

[mary]

http://www.lonestarball.com/story/2006/8/28/14215/8115

Here - I wasn't making it up. And just for the record, I love me some GMJ.

ETA: I was probably too harsh last night when I said JD's moves sucked balls. To tell you the truth, I was pretty pissed..not just because Young had just lost the no-hitter, not just because Young was traded, but because that was the most exciting 15 minutes of baseball I've watched in months came from two teams I don't even give a crap about...and that sucks.

I do give JD some credit for being "aggressive". But at the same time, maybe a better assessment of the team would have prevented him from trading away a valuable bullpen guy for a one-dimesional player with an expiring contract.

[jthig32]

Ok, first of all, I didn't mean to come off condescending Mary. I was more incredulous, as I've never heard Sori mentioned in that vein before. So sorry about that.

On GMJ, his fielding stats do show him to be a below average defender, even this year. I don't know how much stock I put in fielding stats, even serious statsheads admit they are seriously flawed. Although, before this year he was considered an average to below average defensive CF, so it's possible he's simply had several great plays that are tilting everyone's judgement. It's hard to say.

But yes, it is certainly not concensus that GMJ is GG caliber outfielder.

[mary]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Ok, first of all, I didn't mean to come off condescending Mary. I was more incredulous, as I've never heard Sori mentioned in that vein before. So sorry about that.

On GMJ, his fielding stats do show him to be a below average defender, even this year. I don't know how much stock I put in fielding stats, even serious statsheads admit they are seriously flawed. Although, before this year he was considered an average to below average defensive CF, so it's possible he's simply had several great plays that are tilting everyone's judgement. It's hard to say.

But yes, it is certainly not concensus that GMJ is GG caliber outfielder.

No worries, I was out of line last night by mentioning Sori and GG in the same sentence. My bad.

The guy that leads the majors for errors by an outfielder?

Not to nitpick, but Sori is currently tied with Vladi for second with 11 E's and Adam Dunn is leading everyone with 12.

[jthig32]

Yeah, I looked that up after I posted.

Still, Dunn is a DH stuck in in the NL. NOthing to be proud of being 1 better than him.