11-13-2003, 06:10 PM
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Messing around with the Numbers
I´m bored, so I´ll post some possible trades which came up my mind ... sorry for any inconvenience...
Trade 1
Key Players:
Antawn Jamison, Shawn Marion
Phoenix faces a problem - with the emergence of Amare Stoudamire they are in urgent need for true offense firepower, and not really needing any all-around guy like Shawn Marion, who is a great supplemental guy, but no franchise player. Tom Gugliottas contract will come off the books at the end of the season, and Anfernee Hardaway is on the decline. Marion is a BYC player, so to shop him, there has to be another team involved ... so here we go (just added the Draftpicks as a reminder that those might sweeten the deal, they are basically to be ignored):
Dallas trades
Antawn Jamison, Eduardo Najera, Tariq Abdul-Wahad to Phoenix
Michael Finley to Utah
2nd Round Pick to Phoenix
Phoenix trades
Shawn Marion, Anfernee Hardaway to Dallas
Jake Voskuhl or Roberd Archibald to Utah
Utah trades
Greg Ostertag, some first round pick in 2006-2008 to Dallas
Post-Trade Roster
Dallas
C - Ostertag, Bradley, Fortson
PF - Nowitzki, Walker
SF - Marion, Howard
SG - Delk, Hardaway, Daniels
PG - Nash, Best, Stefansson
Phoenix
C - White, Voskuhl (or Archibald), Trzebansky
PF - Stoudemire, Gugliotta, Williams
SF - Jamison, Cabarkapa, Najera
SG - Jacobsen, Johnson, Tariq Abdul-Wahad
PG - Marbury, Barbosa
Utah
C - Borchardt, Collins, Archibald (or Voskuhl)
PF - Kirilenko, Clark, Ruffin, Handlogten
SF - Harpring, Pavlovic
SG - Finley, Stevenson, Bell
PG - Arroyo, Lopez, Williams
From a Mavs point of view:
Finley, Jamison, Najera, TaW and a 2nd
for
Marion, Hardaway, Ostertag and a future first
This is (1) overpaying and (2) creating even more of a logjam at the forward position, BUT ... for some reason I think this would be a move putting us over the top.
We would get a D-first athletic rebounding SF with 3pt range and excellent personality and a Big Body. Hell, I hate ´tag, but I better have ´Tag, Bradley AND Fortson there than Dirk and Eddie playing Center all the time.
Anfernee Hardaway is kind of a sweetener for the trade. Though he´s peaked some years ago, he could still provide some athleticism and veteran minutes at SG, a position made for Howard in the long shot. His contract comes off the books earlier than the contract of all TaW, Najera and Jamison, so he´s more of a mid-time acquisition saving some money.
Nevertheless, this might not be a useful move, nor a realistic one, still, my boredom asks me to post this for some discussion ...
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11-13-2003, 06:19 PM
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Old School Balla
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RE:Messing around with the Numbers
SJ - That is an intricate scenario. I'd definitely take a hard look at it. One factor weighing against it in my mind is our ability to sign Tag as a FA in the offseason.
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11-13-2003, 06:35 PM
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RE: Messing around with the Numbers
Well, basically that´s the reason why he is included.
Utah has to face the possibility of losing him without compensation, but we need some cap space eating team to make up for the BYC of Marion. So by shopping Finley to Utah for Ostertag and a future (far away) first rounder (the upcoming first rounders might be too valuable) and giving them a big body from Phoenix to fill the vacant spot in the middle we get the cap relief we need to take Marion.
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11-14-2003, 01:38 PM
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RE:Messing around with the Numbers
I love Marion's game, he is the best rebounding 3 man in the league . . . he reminds me of a Finley on Roids and an extra 4" on his verticle.
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11-14-2003, 04:36 PM
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RE:Messing around with the Numbers
No way the Suns trade Marion, besides the fact that Marion is better, not alot of teams want to touch Jamison's max contract for the next 6 years.
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11-14-2003, 04:53 PM
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RE:Messing around with the Numbers
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Originally posted by: Lvubun1
No way the Suns trade Marion, besides the fact that Marion is better, not alot of teams want to touch Jamison's max contract for the next 6 years.
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Never say never. The suns did trade Jason Kidd.
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11-14-2003, 05:16 PM
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RE:Messing around with the Numbers
For the record, I wouldn't advocate a trade for this team. I'd rather see how they progress against he better teams in the league first.
However, since this discussion category is for trades, I'm up for a discussion.
Ostertag doesn't add much offensively or defensively. To me, he's just another 6 fouls to give. I agree it would take Dirk out of the 5-spot and put him where he can be most effective on 4, but that's the only plus for me.
Marion is a beast. I would love to have him on this team. He is a much better rebounder right now than Jamison and Finley individually, howerver, I'm starting to see Finley and Jamison crash the boards successfully. The question, therefore, is Marion's rebounding and offense better than what Jamison & Finley can get throughout the game, and I say no.
I can see the intrigue in the trade, but IMO the benefits are not enough to pull the trigger on the trade.
Oh, I almost forgot, Hardaway. Once a promising player on the decline. His addition to this roster is really a subtraction. He has not completed an entire season and as his body gets older, I don't see that changing. I liked him once upon a time, but he doesn't fit here.
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11-15-2003, 07:59 PM
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RE: Messing around with the Numbers
Well, today was our third on-stage day, so, guess what´s coming next ...
Trade 3:
Teams involved - Chicago, Dallas, Phillie
This time I don´t add the draft picks needed to make things work.
Dallas trades
Jamison, Delk to Chicago
Najera to Phillie
Chicago trades
Chandler, Marshall, Fizer to Dallas
Rose, Crawford to Phillie
Phillie trades
Robinson, Snow to Chicago
MacCulloch to Dallas
Post Game Rosters:
Dallas
C Chandler, Bradley, Fortson, MacCulloch
PF Nowitzki, Fizer
SF Walker, Marshall, TaW
SG Finley, Howard, Daniels
PG Nash, Best, Stefansson
Chicago
C Curry, Blount
PF Jaminson, Baxter
SF G. Robinson, E. Robinson, Johnson
SG Delk, Pippen, Gill
PG Snow, Hinrich, Jay Williams, Mason
Phillie
C Coleman, Dalembert, McCaskill
PF K. Thomas, M. Jackson, Najera
SF Rose, Williams, Korver
SG Iverson, McKie, Salmons
PG Crawford, Buckner, Green
Dallas trades Jamison, Najera, Delk for Chandler, Fizer, Marshall, McCulloch.
Why does ...
... Chicago do it? Because Crawford, Rose, Chandler don´t get along and it can hardly get worse. Fizer wants out aswell. By getting Jamison, Glenn Robinson, Delk and Snow they will be able to compete for the playoffs in the East.
... Phillie do it? Out is Robinson, the aging Snow. In comes Jalen Rose. And Eduardo Najera, Jamal Crawford. Nice complementary guys to make a run for the title. Crawford and Rose on the same team again? Well, this is Iverson´s team. And neither of those can deny it. So it might work better than in Chicago.
... Dallas do it? Getting an intriguing amount of young Power guys in Chandler and Fizer and a veteran Small Forward in Donyell Marshall. MacCulloch might never play again, if he should, he´d flourish in Nellies system. Else he´s just a cap concession to make the trade happen. With the amount of big bodies around, all Josh Howard (getting more minutes at SG), Michael Finley and Dirk Nowitzki (both because of Tall Ball) will flourish. In addition, if the Antoine Walker experiment doesnt work out fine, he can be traded in a "big for small" move, finding takers more easily.
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