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Underdog · 04-13-2012, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by cowboyuptx

I'd love to see Williams, Marion, and Kidd on the team next year

That's 100% possible, and the likely scenario if we sign Deron Williams (assuming that Marion isn't traded in an attempt to get Dwight Howard before the next trade deadline...)

chumdawg · 04-13-2012, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

Whatever you say buddy, I'm not new here. I remember you quite well. I would never mistake you for being a bright person in any way shape or form, and it holds up you talking crap to me for no real reason at all. No surprise to me.

Where are your great ideas? Or do you just want to be a troll?

LMAO

You "remember me quite well?" What, are you writing a retrospective? Gimme a break.

After that you just became a clown, so the best I can do is just laugh.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 04-13-2012, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

You "remember me quite well?" What, are you writing a retrospective? Gimme a break.

After that you just became a clown, so the best I can do is just laugh.

Way to trash up the board with your 22,000 posts.

Maybe one day you'll have a good one.

That's all I have to say to you. It's like the saying never stoop to the level of an idiot, they'll drag you down and then beat you with experience. I already feel dumber having conversated with you.

j0Shi · 04-13-2012, 01:35 AM

Watching JKidd these last two games I'm curious whether his stats are much better with rest, might do a research.

chumdawg · 04-13-2012, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

Way to trash up the board with your 22,000 posts.

Maybe one day you'll have a good one.

That's all I have to say to you. It's like the saying never stoop to the level of an idiot, they'll drag you down and then beat you with experience. I already feel dumber having conversated with you.

If you don't know yet that that saying is for idiots themselves, then you will before too long.

I am not impressed, so far, by your rhetorical chops. I don't predict that you will make it any great distance, on this message board.

mavs777 · 04-13-2012, 01:38 AM

chum is much better on ignore

chumdawg · 04-13-2012, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

chum is much better on ignore

I just became aware of you a couple days ago. Don't make me feel so far behind.

Nowitzness81 · 04-13-2012, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

The Mavs were the oldest team in the league last season and they won a ring.

Yeah, and it was very clearly an aligning of the planets and stars that doesn't happen often.

Nowitzness81 · 04-13-2012, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

You might have emotional attachments, but you seem to lack some other stuff. Yes, Carter has tailed off, but I'd love to hear the arguments though on why the franchise needs to move away from Kidd, Terry and especially Marion.

Because they're old as hell, and not legit threats anymore?

We need a LEGIT threat to complement Dirk.

I can live with Kidd, Marion and Terry playing backup minutes next year, but that's it.

I'm pretty tired of seeing them overmatched night in and night out against good teams, and it's only gonna get worse next season.

This team took the Heat DOWN last season, this year they looked like a D-league team against Miami. We're old, we need to get young.

Murphy3 · 04-13-2012, 08:20 AM

Yep, give Kidd about a weeks worth of rest between games and he's pretty dang good. But, this isn't the NFL. I wouldn't mind having him back as a 20mpg type player next year.

mavs777 · 04-13-2012, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Nowitzness81

Because they're old as hell, and not legit threats anymore?

We need a LEGIT threat to complement Dirk.

I can live with Kidd, Marion and Terry playing backup minutes next year, but that's it.

I'm pretty tired of seeing them overmatched night in and night out against good teams, and it's only gonna get worse next season.

This team took the Heat DOWN last season, this year they looked like a D-league team against Miami. We're old, we need to get young.

I didn't realize we needed 13 young players, you should notify cuban.

Kidd Karma · 04-13-2012, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

I'm with you on Jet, but there's no way I take Marion/Kidd over Deron Williams. I mean you're basically saying keep the same team next year as this year, obviously the current team is probably not winning a championship unless Dirk goes off in the playoffs again.

It's not going to be a choice of Marion/Kidd over Williams. With the existing expirings, we have enough cash to offer Williams. I think with all the bantering about, Kidd's going to need to realize he's going to be on minimum salary here on out. There was a rumor yesterday that we were amongst teams interested in Gordon, if we go after that 2nd major free agent, then, you're actually going to be choosing between that 2nd free agent versus, probably Haywood/Marion. One would be amnestied and the other traded for an exception. Right now, we have the space to just bring in Deron, resign Kidd to a minimum salary. I think it comes down to Jet's offer, if we want him, it'll eat our cap space and at that point it would be Jet or Marion.

EricaLubarsky · 04-13-2012, 11:07 AM

this thread has gone in an unfortunate direction.

P.S. Are we really bagging on the guy who was one point guy of a triple double last night?

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 04-13-2012, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

If you don't know yet that that saying is for idiots themselves, then you will before too long.

I am not impressed, so far, by your rhetorical chops. I don't predict that you will make it any great distance, on this message board.

There are pills out there that can help you with your issues, you need them bad. But it's hard to tell a crazy person they're nuts, they don't believe it. Rest of the world knows though. For your own sake seek help.

So anyway on topic, Deron/Marion/Dirk is a championship contender for sure. Kidd would be one of the best backup pgs in the league. Our only weakness would probably be at the 5 if we could get someone like Kaman who is decent offensively Wood/Kaman would not be a bad combo to have there. It wouldn't be best in the league or anything but it would be solid.

I'm not real crazy about throwing big money at Gordon if we don't get Deron tbh. He seems to be injury prone and they're saying he lost cartlidge in his knee with his current injury.

Kidd Karma · 04-13-2012, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

There are pills out there that can help you with your issues, you need them bad. But it's hard to tell a crazy person they're nuts, they don't believe it. Rest of the world knows though. For your own sake seek help.

So anyway on topic, Deron/Marion/Dirk is a championship contender for sure. Kidd would be one of the best backup pgs in the league. Our only weakness would probably be at the 5 if we could get someone like Kaman who is decent offensively Wood/Kaman would not be a bad combo to have there. It wouldn't be best in the league or anything but it would be solid.

I'm not real crazy about throwing big money at Gordon if we don't get Deron tbh. He seems to be injury prone and they're saying he lost cartlidge in his knee with his current injury.

Yea, that Gordon talk is scary, especially coming off the last 2 seasons.

Boy if we got Deron, I can see Kidd start some at the 2 in the role that Deshawn was in last year. Tough gritty defense, spot up shooter, general toughness overall, then you have Deron giving the team a whole new dimension. With Kidd on the floor he's still able to feed Dirk in the late stages.

41mvp · 04-13-2012, 11:56 AM

Deron and Kidd in the same team.It sounds great!!!

nowhereman · 04-13-2012, 01:34 PM

Whenever I think Kidd is just finished, he'll do something like this

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...002260ATL.html

or lead a huddle during a crucial nba finals game

or put up a near triple double out of nowhere, man

and I stand corrected.

Murphy3 · 04-13-2012, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by nowhereman

Whenever I think Kidd is just finished, he'll do something like this

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...002260ATL.html

or lead a huddle during a crucial nba finals game

or put up a near triple double out of nowhere, man

and I stand corrected.

and then he'll disappear for a week... but hey, it happens.

BGMaverick9 · 04-13-2012, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

and then he'll disappear for a week... but hey, it happens.

True, but I think last year's finish could be used as a potential precursor to this year. They gave him some rest to finish off the year and he came out guns blazing vs Portland. He followed that up with critical late game stops vs Kobe in the Semis.

This year, he's just got to make it to the last week of the season and then he'll get a bunch of rest. Clearly, he looks more spry after coming back from the groin injury.

Kidd Karma · 04-13-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

True, but I think last year's finish could be used as a potential precursor to this year. They gave him some rest to finish off the year and he came out guns blazing vs Portland. He followed that up with critical late game stops vs Kobe in the Semis.

This year, he's just got to make it to the last week of the season and then he'll get a bunch of rest. Clearly, he looks more spry after coming back from the groin injury.

Yea, plus with this season being thrown together, hard for an old fart like him to get in to NBA shape. With a less compacted schedule our last week leading into an even more less compacted playoff schedule, gives us a big advantage, just hope the groin injury is done for good. There was one play late where there was a lose ball and he jumped for it, held my breath for a full set to make sure he was fine moving around.

nowhereman · 04-13-2012, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

and then he'll disappear for a week... but hey, it happens.

Exactly why he'll be great next year, playing 16 minutes a game backing up you know who

Nowitzness81 · 04-13-2012, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

this thread has gone in an unfortunate direction.

P.S. Are we really bagging on the guy who was one point guy of a triple double last night?

Who cares about one game?

Kidd is averaging 5.4 assists this season.

He's done.

mavsfan1000 · 04-13-2012, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by nowhereman

Exactly why he'll be great next year, playing 16 minutes a game backing up you know who

Roddy Beaubois or Eric Gordon?

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 04-13-2012, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

Roddy Beaubois or Eric Gordon?

I think he meant Dojo.

nowhereman · 04-14-2012, 12:09 AM

Clearly I meant Steve Nash

chumdawg · 04-14-2012, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by nowhereman

Clearly I meant Steve Nash

Preach!

sefant77 · 04-14-2012, 12:21 AM

Since Nash is sugar free we can offer him finally a five year contract.

Cuban do it

GhostFace · 04-14-2012, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

Roddy Beaubois or Eric Gordon?

LOL

deamon · 04-14-2012, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Nowitzness81

He's done.

FAIL.

G-Man · 04-14-2012, 12:22 PM

There have been many 3 point specialists who hung aroung at the end of their careers in spite of a lack of defensive skill. Peja for one, Steve Kerr is another and I would argue at this point, Jet is more valuable than either.

Part of what has to happen under the new CBA is salaries must come down. If max guys keep getting 16 to 21 million, the Jets and Kidds of the NBA will simply have to make less. Jet will learn this if he becomes a free agent. Given the smaller offers he is likely to get, I expect him to retire a Mav and give his team a home town discount. The guy bleeds Mavs blue and I want to see his Jersey hanging up there next to Dirk's.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 04-14-2012, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by G-Man

There have been many 3 point specialists who hung aroung at the end of their careers in spite of a lack of defensive skill. Peja for one, Steve Kerr is another and I would argue at this point, Jet is more valuable than either.

Part of what has to happen under the new CBA is salaries must come down. If max guys keep getting 16 to 21 million, the Jets and Kidds of the NBA will simply have to make less. Jet will learn this if he becomes a free agent. Given the smaller offers he is likely to get, I expect him to retire a Mav and give his team a home town discount. The guy bleeds Mavs blue and I want to see his Jersey hanging up there next to Dirk's.

It's going to be interesting, you may or may not be right. All it takes is one team to overpay him or simply pay him more than us and there's a good chance he's gone. We cannot assume he is going to give a hometown discount even though it's not impossible. I think he has a chance to command the full MLE but it would probably be with a non-contender. But if he can get 5mil with them instead of say 2 with us he may think "well I got my championship already" and take the extra 3 million. The way he has spoken out against the MBT this season points to him not doing them any huge favors just to fit in Deron or someone else.

If Caron can get 8 mil a season coming off major knee surgery and in his 30s, I see no reason to think Jet can't get at least 5mil a season, possibly a little more.

You talk about tough decisions this summer, whoa is the MBT.

Dirkadirkastan · 04-14-2012, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

You talk about tough decisions this summer, whoa is the MBT.

Whoa?

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 04-14-2012, 01:34 PM

Yeah whoa, not woe, whoa.

adonis · 04-14-2012, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Nowitzness81

Who cares about one game?

Kidd is averaging 5.4 assists this season.

He's done.

Wow. I have nothing to say to this.

Dirk is averaging his lowest PPG and FG% since his sophomore season. Is he done too?

And as a reply on your "old man shit" comments, maybe we should get rid of Marion as well and bring in Nick Young, and Jordan Crawford in? They're young guys, you know.

Budapest Maverick · 04-14-2012, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Preach!

Word.

I mean, we love Kidd, but if we get Deron, still the first thing you do is to call Steve, and ask him if he would be willing to play with his buddy, Dirk, probably as a backup, and possibly some crunch time minutes with Deron on the floor. Heck, if we don't get Deron, you still call him. He's 80-85% of the player he was during his MVP years.

About Gordon. Normally, he's not a max guy. But in today's NBA? Surely.

Look at that sorry a** list.

- Durant '88
- Gordon '88
- Harden '89
- George '90
- Batum '88
- Evans '89
- DeRozan '89

Those are the top young wing guys. Pretty mediocre overall, even if you have a hall of fame talent amongst them. So, again, in today's NBA, you simply give the max to a guy like Gordon, especially with not much option outside of Deron. Gordon (when healthy) will be a a 23/5/5 58-60%TS guy. A better, more attacking, more clutch version of Joe Johnson.

Unfortunately, New-Orleans is desperate, so i have no doubt in my mind, even if they don't initially offer him the max, they will surely match it if we, or some other team does offer him that. Not much option this summer, if we strike out on Deron. Your best bet would be to go after Nash (hopefully for cheap), ask Kidd to be his backup as well, and built a very deep team. Maybe you go after Kaman.

Something like this would be doable money-wise, at least i think.

Nash/Kidd
West/Roddy
Marion/Azubuike
Dirk/Wright
Kaman/Haywood

On a second thought, no chance, am i right? We would be way over the cap with Marion, Dirk, Haywood, Wright, and Roddy. Stupid salary cap. So you gotta amnesty Haywood, buy out Carter and Odom's contract, Terry obviously is a goner in that case, and you go from there. I hate the new CBA for not allowing a player to reconstruct his contract. Maybe i'm naive, but i really think Dirk would definitely do it.

markus1234 · 04-14-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

Nash/Kidd
West/Roddy
Marion/Azubuike
Dirk/Wright
Kaman/Haywood

That's not a contender. Too old.

I'd dump Roddy and Wood.

jthig32 · 04-14-2012, 05:07 PM

The first thing we do after signing Deron Williams is to call Steve Nash?

What? Why? To wish him well in New York or Miami?

If Nash is 85% of the player he was in his MVP years, why the hell would he sign here for peanuts to back up Deron Williams? That makes no sense.

Budapest Maverick · 04-14-2012, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

The first thing we do after signing Deron Williams is to call Steve Nash?

What? Why? To wish him well in New York or Miami?

If Nash is 85% of the player he was in his MVP years, why the hell would he sign here for peanuts to back up Deron Williams? That makes no sense.

Of course it makes sense. Nash said it numerous times, that he doesn't really sure if he ever wanna go ring chasing, and when they asked him, that coming back to Dallas to play with Dirk would be different, he said, yes, it would be different. Of course you call him, and ask him if he would be OK to play for the mini MLE, or whatever.

I know, 90% of the time, to an athlete, money is the most important factor, but when it's not, it is usually a veteran guy, who made some good money playing in the league, and also didn't burn through most of it. Nash is obviously superior to Kidd, so yeah, you call him. It's a no brainer. If he says no, you sign Kidd for cheap.

Also, Nash could play 25 minutes a game, Deron is exactly the kind of PG that you can easily slide to SG. A Nash-Deron-Marion-Dirk-whoever lineup would be a really dangerous crunch time lineup.

grndmstr_c · 04-14-2012, 05:15 PM

Nash will be starting for a contender next season. Bank on that.

jthig32 · 04-14-2012, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

Of course it makes sense. Nash said it numerous times, that he doesn't really sure if he ever wanna go ring chasing, and when they asked him, that coming back to Dallas to play with Dirk would be different, he said, yes, it would be different. Of course you call him, and ask him if he would be OK to play for the mini MLE, or whatever.

I know, 90% of the time, to an athlete, money is the most important factor, but when it's not, it is usually a veteran guy, who made some good money playing in the league, and also didn't burn through most of it. Nash is obviously superior to Kidd, so yeah, you call him. It's a no brainer. If he says no, you sign Kidd for cheap.

Steve Nash is not coming here to backup Deron Williams. That's ridiculous.

And Nash said he didn't want to be traded for ring chasing. I think he's fine doing it as a free agent. He's been quoted as being open to signing with Miami, and having great respect for them as a team.

It's also fairly ridiculous to think that we'd spend our mini-MLE on a backup PG after signing Deron. Who is going to play SG in that scenario?