Ledger to play The Joker in Next Batman film - Page 2 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Big Boy Laroux · 08-02-2006, 10:47 AM

yeah, i just don't see williams in it.

he was creepy in One-Hour Photo, but the whole time, my mind was saying, "That's Mrs. Doubtfire! Helloooooooooooooooo!"

i've liked a lot of robin williams' movies. but i just can't see it here. i know the director will have a lot of say (like i said above, i'm giving nolan the benefit of the doubt with ledger), but to me, seeing williams would be distracting.

djb · 08-02-2006, 12:07 PM

I can kinda see it..

fluid.forty.one · 08-02-2006, 12:17 PM

Those pictures match up pretty well I guess...

Nash13 · 08-02-2006, 12:29 PM

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not saying that williams can't do sinister. we've never seen it. maybe he can do it.

but i want to see the joker, not a sinsiter robin williams in some face paint. people always rave about nicholson's performance, but that's all it was - a sinsiter jack nicholson in some face paint. it wasn't the joker.

To me, the joker is sinister but also has a humorous way of being sinister. And considering the fact that Robin Williams is just as good of an actor as he is a comdian, he'd seem like the perfect fit.

Usually Lurkin · 08-02-2006, 12:32 PM

Adrien Brody. That would be a good Joker.

jthig32 · 08-02-2006, 12:40 PM

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Adrien Brody. That would be a good Joker.

Yuck, that would be awful.

sike · 08-02-2006, 10:06 PM

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I can kinda see it..

don't think the joker would really go for the cape

just give me a well acted and written fully developed joker who kills people and scares people while amusing himself greatly and I'll be happy...

Usually Lurkin · 08-03-2006, 06:24 AM

Joaquin Phoenix. It should be Joaqin Phoenix.

Thespiralgoeson · 08-03-2006, 07:40 AM

I like Ledger ok, but being a DIE HARD fan of both Batman and the Joker (hence my avatar), I was really hoping for someone less known, so we could just see the character for what it is, and not the actor. I'd previously heard that the only two choices that WB was even considering for the role were Paul Bettany (a fine choice) and much lesser-known aussie Lachy Hulme (the one I was hoping for.)

I mean, c'mon, doesn't this guy look like he was born to play the Joker?

Don't see it? How about now?

Or now?

Either way, I think Ledger is a terrible, terrible choice. I'm very disappointed.

Big Boy Laroux · 08-03-2006, 08:35 AM

i'm not 100% on board with ledger either, but you can photoshop pictures of him to look like the joker, too.

MavKikiNYC · 08-03-2006, 08:43 AM

Jeri Blank for Catwoman.

Thespiralgoeson · 08-03-2006, 09:37 AM

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i'm not 100% on board with ledger either, but you can photoshop pictures of him to look like the joker, too.

Well you can photoshop pictures of Samuel L Jackson to like like the Joker as well. I just thought Hulme was the ideal choice for the part.

sike · 08-03-2006, 10:54 AM

Paul Bettney would have been interesting...but they just hired a willowy brit to play the scarecrow...might have been too similar...

plus, Bettney's American accent is only "ok" at best...

SaltwaterChaffy · 08-03-2006, 11:00 AM

Cillian Murphy is not a Brit. He's Irish.

sike · 08-03-2006, 11:41 AM

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Cillian Murphy is not a Brit. He's Irish.

you really are a terd.

the point is the same....they probably would not want to fill the character with such a similar type actor.

thanks for the correction you media snob

fluid.forty.one · 08-03-2006, 11:54 AM

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Well you can photoshop pictures of Samuel L Jackson to like like the Joker as well. I just thought Hulme was the ideal choice for the part.

lmao Samuel L Jackson would be an odd choice for joker..

mqywaaah · 08-03-2006, 11:14 PM

Steve Carell - The Joker

Nice fit!

LOL

sike · 08-04-2006, 10:31 AM

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Steve Carell - The Joker

Nice fit!

LOL

anyone else wanna see Little Miss Sunshine?

Tokey41 · 08-05-2006, 04:15 AM

I'm sure people a lot of people didn't like the Bale choice as Batman in the first film either... but Nolan is an amazing director so you obligated to have a little faith in his decision since the first film was a hit. Ledger must have shown him something in audition that he thought he could use for the darker side of Joker which im excited for. I hated Nicholson as Joker btw... just had to get that out. He was fat, way too old, and looked terrible in the makeup, plus the whole over the top thing wasn't for me. I think Ledger is closer at least physically to what Joker should be and as an actor i'm so-so about whether I think he can really pull off a true Joker persona but despite his acting range he will be the best Joker we have seen to date guaranteed.

sike · 08-05-2006, 08:18 AM

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I'm sure people a lot of people didn't like the Bale choice as Batman in the first film either...

well those people are idiots. Bale was an easy choice for a darker Batman.

SaltwaterChaffy · 08-05-2006, 12:08 PM

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anyone else wanna see Little Miss Sunshine?

I can't wait for this movie.

grndmstr_c · 08-05-2006, 12:55 PM

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well those people are idiots. Bale was an easy choice for a darker Batman.

No doubt. After the slow, pitiful demise of the previous series of Batman films the casting of Bale was one of the main things that gave me hope that the current run would get it right.

fluid.forty.one · 08-05-2006, 02:42 PM

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well those people are idiots. Bale was an easy choice for a darker Batman.

yeah I thought bale was perfect.

Windmill360 · 08-05-2006, 04:34 PM

I always thought Mark Hamill had the BEST voice for the joker in the animated series but he wouldnt make a good on scrence appearance.

Thespiralgoeson · 08-06-2006, 12:02 AM

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I'm sure people a lot of people didn't like the Bale choice as Batman in the first film either...

As sike and GMC already said, those people are idiots. I was ecstatic when I found out he was the new Batman.

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but Nolan is an amazing director so you obligated to have a little faith in his decision since the first film was a hit. Ledger must have shown him something in audition that he thought he could use for the darker side of Joker which im excited for.

Nolan is one of my favorite directors. Insomnia and Memento, as well as Batman Begins are some of my all-time favorite movies. It's my trust and confidence in Nolan, and nothing else, that gives me at least some assurance that it'll be okay. However, considering that he previously made it clear that he wasn't even considering anyone else but Lachy Hulme and Paul Bettany, I can't help but get the impression that Nolan didn't really want Ledger, and was pressured by the studio into going with the bigger name. Just speculation.

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I hated Nicholson as Joker btw... just had to get that out. He was fat, way too old, and looked terrible in the makeup, plus the whole over the top thing wasn't for me.

Dude, you're nuts. Seriously, Nicholson's performance was one of the best of his truly legendary career. To this day I think it's a crime that he wasn't at least nominated for best supporting actor. Yeah he was a little old, but the whole "over the top thing"??? You mean, the friggin character? Son, have you ever read a Batman comic? The Joker is the very definition of "over the top." That's his schtick. I mean c'mon, he's a homicidal clown for god's sake. As a DIE-HARD fan of the character, I'd be very pissed off to see any watered-down, domesticated depiction of the Joker. Read Alan Moore's "The Killing Joke" and you'll know what I'm talking about.

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I think Ledger is closer at least physically to what Joker should be and as an actor i'm so-so about whether I think he can really pull off a true Joker persona but despite his acting range he will be the best Joker we have seen to date guaranteed.

Maybe he's closer physically to the classic Joker than Nicholson, but if we're just going on appearance here, as I said before, I thought Hulme would've been a much much better choice than Ledger. The idea that he was the one Nolan originally wanted just gives merit to my doubts about Ledger's ability to pull it off.

I have faith in Nolan, and I want this movie to be great, so of course I'll give Ledger a fair shake. But I will say that of all the characters that have been cast so far in this franchise, Ledger is the first and only one that I've doubted even a little. I knew Bale was the perfect Bruce Wayne/Batman. I knew Gary Oldman was the perfect Jim Gordon. I knew Morgan Freeman was the perfect Lucious Fox. I knew Michael Caine was the perfect Alfred and so on... Ledger? At this point I'm just hoping he won't completely f*ck it up. The fact that the character in question isn't just any villain of the week, but one of the greatest comic/movie villains ever, and my personal all-time favorite just makes the stakes that much higher.

Usually Lurkin · 08-06-2006, 07:23 AM

eh. bale is allright as batman. servicable. not great, but not bad.

SaltwaterChaffy · 08-06-2006, 10:50 AM

I just wanted to say (in response to spiral) that Katie Holmes was horrible.

Thespiralgoeson · 08-06-2006, 12:46 PM

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I just wanted to say (in response to spiral) that Katie Holmes was horrible.

Maybe, but who cares? She was a character they invented for the movie. I'm talking about actors taking on legendary comic roles.

Thespiralgoeson · 08-06-2006, 12:56 PM

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eh. bale is allright as batman. servicable. not great, but not bad.

I'm sorry, but I can't think of anyone that I think would've been half as good. Granted, I may be a little biased because I've been a Bale fan ever since I saw Equillibrium, but I just thought he was perfect for the new Batman franchise.

I'll give you that his "Batman voice" was kinda lame, certainly nothing compared to the greatness that was Keaton's, but I still think Bale was by far and away the best Bruce Wayne. That was the one aspect about Keaton's performance that I couldn't really buy.

Sidenote: Please for the love of god, nobody mention George Clooney. I've heard so many people say how great Clooney would've been for Bruce Wayne, and how he was just the victim of a horrible script. I say that's crap. He sucked as Batman/Bruce Wayne, and he's sucked in everything else. He just sucks. He was alright in From Dusk Till Dawn, and Ocean's 11 and Ocean's 12 weren't terrible movies, but Clooney just sucks. Certainly not worthy to play the Dark Kight.

SaltwaterChaffy · 08-06-2006, 09:19 PM

I actually thought the "Batman voice" was pretty cool, because it seemed like something that Bruce Wayne thought would sound menacing, but instead came off a little cheesy.

Perhaps I'm giving it too much credit.

Big Boy Laroux · 08-07-2006, 12:13 AM

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Granted, I may be a little biased because I've been a Bale fan ever since I saw Equillibrium

I liked bale as wayne/batman, too, but i thought this was hilarious. man, you've been a fan of his for like, forever!

how about since Empire of the Sun? that kid showed some real acting chops! both him and Ben Stiller.

Usually Lurkin · 08-07-2006, 06:48 AM

Empire of the Sun was great. Equilibrium, not so much. Bale was great in the Machinist.

Big Boy Laroux · 08-07-2006, 08:32 AM

hey, i liked equilibrium. very enteratining, especially when you consider the film's budget, and the sequences/effects they were able to muster.

GUNKATA!

haven't seen the machinist yet. but i read about the role. talk about commitment to your craft.

sike · 08-07-2006, 08:41 AM

well since we're mentioning Bale's amazingroles...now discussion of Bale's greatness can be taken seriously without mentioning the great character he inhabited in "American Psycho"

Big Boy Laroux · 08-07-2006, 08:42 AM

just bought American Psycho yesterday. $3.99 at Best Buy this week!

sike · 08-07-2006, 08:48 AM

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just bought American Psycho yesterday. $3.99 at Best Buy this week!

like it?

jthig32 · 08-07-2006, 09:43 AM

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hey, i liked equilibrium. very enteratining, especially when you consider the film's budget, and the sequences/effects they were able to muster.

GUNKATA!

haven't seen the machinist yet. but i read about the role. talk about commitment to your craft.

Man I LOVED Equilibrium! If you really want to be fascinated, watch it with the director's commentary on, and you learn just how hard he had to work on his budget. Really opens your eyes to the movie. You also learn that they shot the scene where he beats those guards up with the spikes in the butt of his guns in one take, which is freaking amazing.

Big Boy Laroux · 08-07-2006, 10:48 AM

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like it?

yeah i like it! that's why i bought it! i've seen it before. great movie, great acting from bale, but talk about gruesome.

As for equilibrium, it's also on sale at best buy this week (part of their 3 for $25, 6 for $40 sale). i bought it a while back. it's definitely worth owning, or at least watching...

i haven't watched it since i saw it in the theaters (i have too many DVDs), but i remember being wowed by the action sequences (i heard going in that it was a low-budget matrix-y film). i thought some of the action sequences were better than the matrix, actually. which, like we're saying, is saying something considering the budget. the only thing i'd say i didn't like was the start... the narrative part.

Usually Lurkin · 08-07-2006, 11:14 AM

I though the action sequences in Equilibrium were great. The acting was pretty good, too, and I loved that lowbudget-but-great-work feel that it had. I just thought the premise and plot lines of the movie are so tired that everything else was ruined. I mean how many times can we watch the same movie with different names?

Big Boy Laroux · 08-07-2006, 11:39 AM

yeah... not the most original storyline... but it's hard to find orginal storylines these days. they're all kind of recycled in some way.