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Scoobay · 03-09-2018, 11:06 PM

Grayson Allen adding hockey moves to his arsenal with a hip check... I hope this clown ends up getting his face planted by someone soon. Coach K should do something more drastic already and bench his butt for two games or something.

tap2390 · 03-10-2018, 12:46 AM

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Grayson Allen adding hockey moves to his arsenal with a hip check... I hope this clown ends up getting his face planted by someone soon. Coach K should do something more drastic already and bench his butt for two games or something.

Saw that. Kid is easily the most consistently dirty and petulant player in NCAA ball. He'd fit right in at the end of the first round with the Warriors.

https://twitter.com/Cdoghoo4/status/970383163200557056

BPo001 · 03-10-2018, 10:26 AM

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Grayson Allen adding hockey moves to his arsenal with a hip check... I hope this clown ends up getting his face planted by someone soon. Coach K should do something more drastic already and bench his butt for two games or something.

Why? It wasn't a dirty play. Happens all the time. I'm no Grayson fan, but that wasn't a flagrant foul.

tap2390 · 03-10-2018, 10:31 AM

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Why? It wasn't a dirty play. Happens all the time. I'm no Grayson fan, but that wasn't a flagrant foul.

Got to disagree. I see jersey grabbing and other minor stuff, I've never seen a guy on defense stick his ass out to slow someone on a fast break. Not to mention Grayson doesn't deserve benefit of the doubt.

Bryan_Wilson · 03-10-2018, 11:54 AM

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Why? It wasn't a dirty play. Happens all the time. I'm no Grayson fan, but that wasn't a flagrant foul.

This for me as well. It was a foul not a flagrant foul. In the NBA though it wouldda been a flagrant 2 with how soft that shit has become.

Scoobay · 03-10-2018, 01:07 PM

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Why? It wasn't a dirty play. Happens all the time. I'm no Grayson fan, but that wasn't a flagrant foul.

Taken in isolation it’s not the worst I’ve seen I agree. But as part of his larger body of work it just continues to show that rather than playing ball he’s initiating contact with guys in a way that is not for competition. He’s not going for the ball. He’s not running back and playing D. He’s not even trying to set a pick ( where a hip check might happen otherwise). I personally think it’s in his nature somewhere to just try to get away with stuff like that and it’s only a matter of time before he hurts someone or someone gets really pissed at him and rearranges his face.

tap2390 · 03-10-2018, 04:15 PM

My revised Board

TIER ONE
1) DeAndre Ayton
2) Marvin Bagley - has been more consistent than Doncic; much is said about his outside shot but he's shooting 37% on two tries a game so far
3) Luka Doncic - advanced offensive game but wonder if his athleticism limits his ceiling

TIER TWO
4) Jaren Jackson Jr. - over Bamba because of range and has stayed healthier
5) Mikal Bridges
6) Michael Porter Jr. - love his offensive game and attitude, worry about his health and explosiveness
7) Mo Bamba

TIER THREE
8) Wendell Carter - steady and unexciting, probably better than he's made out to be
9) Gary Trent Jr. - has a well-defined skillset and consistent stroke; moves well without the ball -- reminds me of Klay Thompson but could just be another Wayne Ellington

TIER FOUR
10) Shai Gilgeous-Alexander -
11) Miles Bridges - upside depends on continued development as passer, shooter, and defender, only reason he's not off my board is he shows up in big games
12) Kevin Knox - similar issues as Bridges but with a lower floor

OFF MY BOARD
-Trae Young - redundant and game doesn't translate IMO
-Collin Sexton - redundant and his tunnel vision has convinced me he won't be any better than Elfrid Payton or Eric Bledsoe

Melonhead · 03-14-2018, 11:29 AM

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My revised Board

-Collin Sexton - redundant and his tunnel vision has convinced me he won't be any better than Elfrid Payton or Eric Bledsoe

Thank you. I dont get the hype. And Ive watched a ton of bama's games (Im from there). He's flashy, but he will not sustain what hes been doing in the NBA.

sefant77 · 03-10-2018, 08:37 AM

Grayson still acts like he is 12

hayth.james.g · 03-10-2018, 10:15 AM

Anyone else catch the Arizona vs. UCLA game?

Ayton had a tough first half on the boards, but picked it up in the 2nd and OT. In the end, he was the difference in a close game.

In my mind, whoever has the #1 pick will have a tough choice to make between Ayton and Doncic. I believe we will see Ayton come off the board #1. He is just too athletic and smooth at his size to pass up. Barring injuries, there is no doubt in my mind that he is a perennial All Star. There was a fast break with 4-5 minutes left in OT where he is sprinting down the court... seeing how fluid and quick he can move is impressive.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-10-2018, 10:34 AM

Yeah, that was clearly intentional. Sticking your ass out knocking another player down on the break can cause serious injury.

hayth.james.g · 03-10-2018, 11:00 AM

Anyone have a link to some film on Michael Porter Jr. that will sell me on why he should be considered a top 5 pick despite the injury questions?

From watching previous summer ball videos, it is clear he is threat from the outside. My concern is the lack of ball handling skills and speed which leads to lack of penetration. Often times, he ends up settling for less than ideal outside shots as a result.

Make no mistake, I know he can shoot. My question is if he can do anything else at the next level. I don't see explosion, quickness, or ball handling as strengths. He has some length, but that advantage will continue to diminish at the next level as he faces longer and taller competitors.

@Underdog - I know you have been an advocate here. Help me to see it.

Underdog · 03-10-2018, 01:07 PM

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Anyone have a link to some film on Michael Porter Jr. that will sell me on why he should be considered a top 5 pick despite the injury questions?

From watching previous summer ball videos, it is clear he is threat from the outside. My concern is the lack of ball handling skills and speed which leads to lack of penetration. Often times, he ends up settling for less than ideal outside shots as a result.

Make no mistake, I know he can shoot. My question is if he can do anything else at the next level. I don't see explosion, quickness, or ball handling as strengths. He has some length, but that advantage will continue to diminish at the next level as he faces longer and taller competitors.

@Underdog - I know you have been an advocate here. Help me to see it.

Sure, Porter takes a lot of "less than ideal outside shots," but his key strength is that he can actually hit them -- the kid is a dominant shooter from pretty much anywhere on the floor and can create his own shot with jabs, fakes, step-backs, etc... Sure, he doesn't have the greatest handles, but he's excellent off the ball, which somewhat negates his only real weakness (especially if a guy like DSJ is setting him up). He has soft hands, which makes him great in catch & shoot situations, but he's also effective at making plays off the bounce or off lobs in slashing situations, using his length and athleticism to wreck shop above the rim. He's comfortable streaking up the floor in transition and deadly in space, which would make him an ideal running mate for Dennis... In addition to is natural scoring abilities, Porter is a strong rebounder with great anticipation and footwork (which also makes him a decent interior defender when it comes to timing blocks), as well as an effective perimeter defender with high awareness that allows him to get around screens and cut off driving/passing lanes.

Of course, this is all pre-injury/high school performance, but he's a really smart, hard-working kid who has amazing athleticism and the necessary length/strength to be successful in the NBA... With the right coach, there's no reason this kid can't be a star (assuming the back injury doesn't linger and derail his career)... I guarantee Carlisle would absolutely love Porter, especially since he's known as a humble, high-character guy with natural leadership ability -- very similar to DSJ in that regard (they both had good upbringings, which helps).

hayth.james.g · 03-10-2018, 03:25 PM

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Sure, Porter takes a lot of "less than ideal outside shots," but his key strength is that he can actually hit them -- the kid is a dominant shooter from pretty much anywhere on the floor and can create his own shot with jabs, fakes, step-backs, etc... Sure, he doesn't have the greatest handles, but he's excellent off the ball, which somewhat negates his only real weakness (especially if a guy like DSJ is setting him up). He has soft hands, which makes him great in catch & shoot situations, but he's also effective at making plays off the bounce or off lobs in slashing situations, using his length and athleticism to wreck shop above the rim. He's comfortable streaking up the floor in transition and deadly in space, which would make him an ideal running mate for Dennis... In addition to is natural scoring abilities, Porter is a strong rebounder with great anticipation and footwork (which also makes him a decent interior defender when it comes to timing blocks), as well as an effective perimeter defender with high awareness that allows him to get around screens and cut off driving/passing lanes.

Of course, this is all pre-injury/high school performance, but he's a really smart, hard-working kid who has amazing athleticism and the necessary length/strength to be successful in the NBA... With the right coach, there's no reason this kid can't be a star (assuming the back injury doesn't linger and derail his career)... I guarantee Carlisle would absolutely love Porter, especially since he's known as a humble, high-character guy with natural leadership ability -- very similar to DSJ in that regard (they both had good upbringings, which helps).

Thank you for taking the time.

Most of what you said I can see. The only exception is the athleticism. I'm not sure I see it. Would of been nice to see him play college ball. One year older, more set plays, etc.

As you said, he can shoot. That is clear. I'm just not sure if he can create his own shot consistently, and make an impact on both sides of the court. Right now I am torn between him for Mikal Bridges assuming we all feel good about Porter's health.

Underdog · 03-11-2018, 11:25 AM

Gonna try something new with my board -- here's my best guess on how it will look in 5 years when everybody is "redrafting" the 2018 lottery...

01) Michael Porter
02) DeAndre Ayton
03) Mikal Bridges
04) Jaren Jackson Jr.
05) Mitchell Robinson
06) Luka Doncic
07) Shake Milton
08) Marvin Bagley
09) Miles Bridges
10) Keita Bates-Diop
11) Wendell Carter
12) Daniel Gafford
13) Zhaire Smith
14) Mohamed Bamba

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-11-2018, 11:48 AM

Any good/reliable draft boards other than draft.net? Irks me to no end that draftxpress no longer exists...

Underdog · 03-11-2018, 11:51 AM

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Any good/reliable draft boards other than draft.net? Irks me to no end that draftxpress no longer exists...

I'm rolling with Tankathon... Draft.net is garbage these days.

sefant77 · 03-11-2018, 06:50 PM

Good win for the bulls against the Hawks. I dont think we are going to outtank the Hawks anyway, so i prefer to have the Bulls sitting at 23 wins...

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-12-2018, 09:53 AM

Part of me is like, hey, it's ok if we drop a bit in the draft because Mikal Bridges.

Then I'm like, hey, Bridges is playing so well that he will rise in the draft.

Ugh...

sefant77 · 03-13-2018, 08:41 PM

#9 here we go again

Cant even get Bridges without two other teams reaching for PGs or crap

Underdog · 03-13-2018, 09:01 PM

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#9 here we go again

Cant even get Bridges without two other teams reaching for PGs or crap

Ugh, if we end up with Wendell Carter then I'm gonna be depressed...

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-13-2018, 10:07 PM

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Ugh, if we end up with Wendell Carter then I'm gonna be depressed...

Hate to say it, but Carter might be a prize at this point...

Dirk41legend · 03-13-2018, 09:09 PM

It's actually kind of funny that we're the only team out of the bottom 8 or 9 whose owner came out and said we need to lose, while at the same time being the only one of those teams not actually trying to lose.

sefant77 · 03-13-2018, 09:36 PM

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GermanStandard · 03-14-2018, 03:58 AM

Mavs are stuck in mediocrity with a Pick in Range 7-10.

Huge Chance for a quick rebuild wasted. Well lets hope for the 2019 Draft...

saclare · 03-14-2018, 11:56 AM

I don't understand top 10 hype for Sexton, but can definitely see the upside. 6'3 PG with 7' 0 wingspan. He's shown the ability to score, shoot, and defend. He's a project just like most of these guys, but I see him falling 10-15 range. Still lotto but not top 10.

saclare · 03-14-2018, 11:59 AM

I'd love for whatever eventual teams are ahead of us in the draft to become enamored with Young or Sexton.

March Madness is going to be a lot of fun this year.

Underdog · 03-14-2018, 08:07 PM

SI has us taking MPJ at #7, which might be the best-case scenario at this point...

https://www.si.com/nba/2018/03/14/nb...low_twitter_si

sefant77 · 03-14-2018, 08:13 PM

Thats a stupid mock going for team need etc...no one is going to pick Carter over Porter

Underdog · 03-14-2018, 08:30 PM

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Thats a stupid mock going for team need etc...no one is going to pick Carter over Porter

I dunno, the Cavs are the only team picking high that might have to consider need over potential, seeing as how they're trying to "win now" with LeBron... I have a feeling that even a healthy Porter takes a year or two to develop, seeing as how he missed college entirely.

Bryan_Wilson · 03-14-2018, 11:13 PM

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I dunno, the Cavs are the only team picking high that might have to consider need over potential, seeing as how they're trying to "win now" with LeBron... I have a feeling that even a healthy Porter takes a year or two to develop, seeing as how he missed college entirely.

If Lebron stays... and if he stays wouldn't they be better off trading the pick for an all star rather than drafting Carter?

sefant77 · 03-15-2018, 06:49 AM

Magic and Kings with unexpected wins and tonight playing Bulls-Grizz. Top-5 dream back alive

And yeah, the Cavs are going to pick BPA in june and not "best fit with Lebron if he stays"

mac222b · 03-15-2018, 09:26 AM

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Magic and Kings with unexpected wins and tonight playing Bulls-Grizz. Top-5 dream back alive

And yeah, the Cavs are going to pick BPA in june and not "best fit with Lebron if he stays"

The most Bron thing to do would be to tell them to draft Player X for fit and then bolt. I think he'll find a way to get to Houston. As will marshamallow and wheelchair wade

mac222b · 03-15-2018, 09:27 AM

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Magic and Kings with unexpected wins and tonight playing Bulls-Grizz. Top-5 dream back alive

And yeah, the Cavs are going to pick BPA in june and not "best fit with Lebron if he stays"

Back alive if we can get back to losing. I could see the Knicks essentially losing out the rest of the way and we are only two games up on them. And we have Brooklyn coming up. A must lose.

sefant77 · 03-15-2018, 09:27 AM

This would be such an epic draft result with all these blatant tank commanders...

sefant77 · 03-15-2018, 09:39 AM

Nets games is for both teams a B2B, i have my hopes that we are dropping this one and DSJ doesnt play because of knee soreness etc. Our games in LA and Orlando (ding ding ding) are also B2B

At the end of the season the Nets and Bulls are playing each other twice in two days. So solid chances at least one of them ends up behind us...

Edit: Magic have with start of next week a very interesting schedule: Suns-Nets-Bulls-Hawks-Knicks-Mavs in a row

sefant77 · 03-15-2018, 01:53 PM

And there goes Trae...solid game but his teammates were trash. I hope a team picking in front of us is taking the bait

BPo001 · 03-15-2018, 02:10 PM

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And there goes Trae...solid game but his teammates were trash. I hope a team picking in front of us is taking the bait

His stat line looked good, but his shot selection in the 2nd half was questionable (mainly the 3's from 35ft out with plenty of time on the shot clock when they had the lead). Agreed, hopefully a PG needy team saw enough to select him above us.

Quetzalcoatl · 03-15-2018, 04:12 PM

And what do you think of Daniel Gafford of Arkansas? He has improved his game a lot.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-15-2018, 05:12 PM

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And what do you think of Daniel Gafford of Arkansas? He has improved his game a lot.

He is improving overall, but he has no range and still needs serious work on his rebounding. Really good shot blocker though. A nice prospect in the 15-25 range.

Seems like we kinda have that in Powell without the shot blocking.