Official Rangers off season thread - Page 14 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Male30Dan · 02-21-2011, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Barring significant injury to Moreland or two outfielders, yes I think MY starts less than 40 games at first base. I take that bet, for one million fake dollars.

Who said anything about fake dollars. Take the bet as proposed or chicken shit away.

mkat · 02-21-2011, 01:44 PM

i have a sneaking suspicion that Brandon Webb in 2011 is gonna equal Rich Harden in 2010.

Male30Dan · 02-21-2011, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mkat

i have a sneaking suspicion that Brandon Webb in 2011 is gonna equal Rich Harden in 2010.

Well it isn't starting good, that's for sure. But hey, if the ball sinks like it has in the past and he can stay healthy all of this initial trouble won't matter. We shall see.

Five-ofan · 02-21-2011, 04:43 PM

Ill take it a step further, I bet Chris Davis has more major league starts at first base this year than Young.

Male30Dan · 02-21-2011, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

Ill take it a step further, I bet Chris Davis has more major league starts at first base this year than Young.

I wish. If it meant he turned his career around and is what I always wanted him to be, AWESOME. Otherwise (and otherwise is by far the more likely choice), you my friend are crazy.

Five-ofan · 02-21-2011, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Male29Dan

I wish. If it meant he turned his career around and is what I always wanted him to be, AWESOME. Otherwise (and otherwise is by far the more likely choice), you my friend are crazy.

I dont think it will be for the Rangers though... I think hes a perfect change of scenery/buy low candidate for someone else. I was kind of hoping for a Davis/Alex Gordon your failed prospect for mine trade but I dont think either team does that deal.

Mav Addict · 02-22-2011, 02:51 PM

Its getting very close to spring time in Aggtown baby!....cannot wait!

Wait do people use Aggtown?....no matter I still call Hurricane Harbor, Wet n Wild

Male30Dan · 02-22-2011, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mav Addict

Its getting very close to spring time in Aggtown baby!....cannot wait!

Wait do people use Aggtown?....no matter I still call Hurricane Harbor, Wet n Wild

I love the example from #1.

Mav Addict · 02-22-2011, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Male29Dan

I love the example from #1.

Urban Dictionary
1. agg town
Arlington, Texas. Da Hood.
Bitch we gone roll up on agg town this weekend and get some.

Hilarious

Mav Addict · 02-22-2011, 03:47 PM

Seriously this is how I felt about all this Mike Young stuff....I empathize with the kid!

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/mlb...ory?id=6146530

Male30Dan · 02-28-2011, 01:00 AM

[sarcasm]
Yeah, that Borbon is a defensive wiz... Glad we have him roaming center instead of Hamilton! Likewise, it is quite nice to see that the reason that Young won't play as much 1st base as I might prefer is directly because of the extremely strong defender Mitch Moreland, who ironically enough played no role at all in Young's throwing error today.
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mkat · 02-28-2011, 04:33 PM

i don't think you have to worry about Borbon. he'll take himself off the field with his play.

Male30Dan · 02-28-2011, 04:54 PM

The defensive wiz Borbon? 2 games played, 2 errors made...

FYI - Young had an error at 3B and didn't at 1B today... He also went 2-2. Coincidence?

mkat · 02-28-2011, 05:11 PM

Hamilton just can't play at center anymore if you want him in the line up. I don't know what they'll do there, but Hamilton isn't the long term answer.

Male30Dan · 03-01-2011, 10:53 AM

Where are you Thiggy you sumbitch - these comments are directed right at you yet no participation. That's no fun for me.

jthig32 · 03-01-2011, 12:11 PM

Ha. I read them and rolled my eyes. I just didn't want to give you the satisfaction of responding.

The Feliz to the rotation bid seems to be gathering some steam. That should make you happy. That's the one issue that I would most prefer to be wrong about. I'd love for Feliz to make the rotation and have success.

Male30Dan · 03-01-2011, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Ha. I read them and rolled my eyes. I just didn't want to give you the satisfaction of responding.

The Feliz to the rotation bid seems to be gathering some steam. That should make you happy. That's the one issue that I would most prefer to be wrong about. I'd love for Feliz to make the rotation and have success.

Hahaha...

Well, while you will most certainly end up wrong about Feliz (YAH YAH YAH!!!), I think given the quotes out there from yesterday's action (you know you read them) Young playing roughly 40 games at 1st seems much more likely as well.

Oh, and then there is Borbon...

Male30Dan · 03-08-2011, 12:55 PM

So much for Feliz starting. Apparently he prefers the closer's role. He still should start, and said he would if they feel it helps the team, but if his heart isn't in it...........

Mav Addict · 03-08-2011, 01:42 PM

Well it wasn't broken....didn't need to be fixed....let him finish games...this role is almost as important as a SP.

How many games did our SP's loose b/c of the closer?...or better yet...how many games did Cliff Lee loose b/c of our closers?

jthig32 · 03-08-2011, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mav Addict

Well it wasn't broken....didn't need to be fixed....let him finish games...this role is almost as important as a SP.

How many games did our SP's loose b/c of the closer?...or better yet...how many games did Cliff Lee loose b/c of our closers?

1st or 2nd starters are way, way, way more valuable than closers.

Mav Addict · 03-08-2011, 01:52 PM

Do you honestly think Neftali could become a #1 or #2....I don't...maybe a #3

EDIT: on this Rangers team?....maybe a #1 for a different ball club

Male30Dan · 03-08-2011, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mav Addict

Do you honestly think Neftali could become a #1 or #2....I don't...maybe a #3

He has been called the most talented pitcher on our team a couple of times this spring. Yes, absolutely I do. Absolutely. If given a full opportunity to grow through any pains this year, I absolutely believe he would become that.

Mav Addict · 03-08-2011, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

1st or 2nd starters are way, way, way more valuable than closers.

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Originally Posted by Male29Dan

He has been called the most talented pitcher on our team a couple of times this spring. Yes, absolutely I do. Absolutely. If given a full opportunity to grow through any pains this year, I absolutely believe he would become that.

Both of you baseball nerds make me sick

EDIT: Eventually yes....right as this moment?...I wouldn't be so sure

jthig32 · 03-08-2011, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mav Addict

Do you honestly think Neftali could become a #1 or #2....I don't...maybe a #3

EDIT: on this Rangers team?....maybe a #1 for a different ball club

This year? No, which is why I'm on record as saying that I want him to stay in the bullpen for now.

Eventually? I think it's possible. He has fantastic stuff and was one of the best pitching prospects in baseball a couple years ago (as a starter).

Male30Dan · 03-08-2011, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

This year? No, which is why I'm on record as saying that I want him to stay in the bullpen for now.

Eventually? I think it's possible. He has fantastic stuff and was one of the best pitching prospects in baseball a couple years ago (as a starter).

This is the issue though. If you don't eventually give him that year, will he ever be ready, or will it always be one of those "next year" type situations? Eventually you have to throw him to the wolves and let him learn how to pitch and be successful. You sure don't want him learning with a 1-run lead in the 9th inning.

To me, he needs to start this year if he is going to start or you are just delaying his dominance. I mean, if us struggling is the reasoning behind waiting, do we want to struggle in 2012? 2013? Give him an opportunity and, if he struggles, let him. He needs to fully learn to pitch as a starter and that will likely have some bumps and bruises along the way. That said, if we want him to ever become what he has the talent to become it is necessary.

jthig32 · 03-08-2011, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Male29Dan

This is the issue though. If you don't eventually give him that year, will he ever be ready, or will it always be one of those "next year" type situations? Eventually you have to throw him to the wolves and let him learn how to pitch and be successful. You sure don't want him learning with a 1-run lead in the 9th inning.

To me, he needs to start this year if he is going to start or you are just delaying his dominance. I mean, if us struggling is the reasoning behind waiting, do we want to struggle in 2012? 2013? Give him an opportunity and, if he struggles, let him. He needs to fully learn to pitch as a starter and that will likely have some bumps and bruises along the way. That said, if we want him to ever become what he has the talent to become it is necessary.

JD said that they'd only put him in the rotation if they felt he'd be a guy that could win playoff games THIS season. He doesn't have to be lights out right away, but they have to feel like he will be before the season is over.

I think that's reasonable, and I think there is value in him getting another year in the bullpen if he's not ready this season. I don't think a year in the bullpen is a year lost on possibly starting. Experience against ML hitters is going to help, whether in the bullpen or rotation.

Being in the rotation would help MORE, for sure, but you have to balance the success of the team this season.

Male30Dan · 03-09-2011, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

JD said that they'd only put him in the rotation if they felt he'd be a guy that could win playoff games THIS season. He doesn't have to be lights out right away, but they have to feel like he will be before the season is over.

I don't think I suggested that this would be impossible - the point is he needs a season to learn. With a full season under his belt, he would definitely be dangerous in the playoffs - for the opposing team.

I think that's reasonable, and I think there is value in him getting another year in the bullpen if he's not ready this season. I don't think a year in the bullpen is a year lost on possibly starting. Experience against ML hitters is going to help, whether in the bullpen or rotation.

I am not saying a year in the bullpen is a year completely lost on possibly starting, but do you want him trying to learn a curveball with 1 on and a 1 run lead in the 9th inning? Let me help you - the answer is no. As a starter he would have a great deal more leeway to experiment and refine his 2nd/3rd/4th pitches. There is absolutely no denying that.

Being in the rotation would help MORE, for sure, but you have to balance the success of the team this season.

Again, if Neftali can't develop his secondary pitches in his closer role how will next year be any different from this year? Saying you have to balance the success of the team this season can be the exact same sentence uttered next year. Eventually you have to put a great POTENTIAL talent out to grow. It's time - wasn't that our slogan last year? Well, for Feliz, it's time.

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Murphy3 · 03-08-2011, 02:40 PM

sport...waiting on confirmation

jthig32 · 03-08-2011, 02:45 PM

I've heard Daniels talk several times about CJ being so successful with his transition because he wanted it so bad. I've noticed him sounding very pessimistic about Feliz's chances and I think this is part of the reason why.

Murphy3 · 03-08-2011, 02:46 PM

Personally, I don't think Feliz has the secondary pitches to be a starter at this point. I think Ogando is better suited as far as his arsenal goes... I don't know if he can be stretched out that far considering his lack of innings..but, we'll see.

Murphy3 · 03-08-2011, 03:23 PM

Yep.. you'll continue to say.."If he can only be a #3 this year, then we'll leave him as a closer." He needs that year to work his way into being a #1 or #2 if in fact he does have that ability.

As for him only being a #3, if he's good enough to be a #3 right now, he should be a starter in my opinion.... without a doubt. If he's already good enough to do that, then that's great. It'll only help his progression towards being a #1 or 2 guy in the future. Plus, you need a minimum of three solid starters for the playoffs.

Murphy3 · 03-08-2011, 04:02 PM

If he's a solid #3 guy, then he's more valuable to the team as a starter in my opinion. I like the bullpen depth. I like the talent fighting for spots in the rotation, but there's alot of unproven talent in the group.

jthig32 · 03-08-2011, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

If he's a solid #3 guy, then he's more valuable to the team as a starter in my opinion. I like the bullpen depth. I like the talent fighting for spots in the rotation, but there's alot of unproven talent in the group.

I agree. And I think the Rangers do as well. JD's cutoff was a guy that would start in any playoff series, and that's #1-#3.

Murphy3 · 03-09-2011, 09:35 AM

It sounds like he's still going to be stretched out for another week or two and then a decision will be made. So, two-three more 3-4 inning outings and we'll know whether or not the switch will move forward if he'll end up back in the pen.

jthig32 · 03-09-2011, 01:16 PM

After listening to two more interview with Daniels this morning, my own personal opinion is that it would take a dramatic turn of events for Feliz to move into the rotation this year.

Murphy3 · 03-09-2011, 01:23 PM

I think the dramatic turn of events would be Feliz feeling comfortable and looking good his next 2-3 times out.

jthig32 · 03-09-2011, 01:50 PM

I disagree, I think it would take a lot more than that.

Murphy3 · 03-09-2011, 03:51 PM

Seriously? What do you think would have to happen for them to extend the look further?

jthig32 · 03-09-2011, 03:58 PM

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Seriously? What do you think would have to happen for them to extend the look further?

Oh, to keep looking at it? I suppose they might keep doing that the entire spring. It can't hurt to stretch him out.

I just think something dramatic is going to have to happen in order for them to actually make the move. Daniels just keep talking over and over about "want to" and "the drive". He sounded very pessimistic about the possibility for this season.

Murphy3 · 03-09-2011, 05:30 PM

Perhaps they're trying to light a bit of a fire under his arse with all the talk of "want to" and "drive". Otherwise, I don't think they'd make it so public.