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[Thespiralgoeson]

Anyone still think we shouldn't have traded KP?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Anyone still think we shouldn't have traded KP?

While this is an obvious yes at this point, just remember it took the Mavs years before figuring out that they needed to get Luka another high caliber ball handler. There was nary a Mavs fan that wasn't trolling the FO to get Luka some damn help in that dept.

Mavs might not have had to trade KP had they just gone after Dinwiddie or Derozan this past summer instead of keeping THJ.

I view KP as the fallout of that contract as much as anything. Maybe you still move on from KP eventually anyway, but the Mavs desperately need that shot blocking.

Good news is I do think they can get some sort of shot blocker this summer. We shall see.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

While this is an obvious yes at this point, just remember it took the Mavs years before figuring out that they needed to get Luka another high caliber ball handler. There was nary a Mavs fan that wasn't trolling the FO to get Luka some damn help in that dept.

Mavs might not have had to trade KP had they just gone after Dinwiddie or Derozan this past summer instead of keeping THJ.

I view KP as the fallout of that contract as much as anything. Maybe you still move on from KP eventually anyway, but the Mavs desperately need that shot blocking.

Good news is I do think they can get some sort of shot blocker this summer. We shall see.

Woulda shoulda coulda. I'm glad we made the deal.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Woulda shoulda coulda. I'm glad we made the deal.

Glad you added some in-depth discussion to my response.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Glad you added some in-depth discussion to my response.

Hopefully they can replace the void at C with Myles Turner this offseason.

I think if they can somehow find a way to move THJ and land Turner they might be in business next year as a true contender.

Seems like he was their original target before both him and THJ each got injured.

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

While this is an obvious yes at this point, just remember it took the Mavs years before figuring out that they needed to get Luka another high caliber ball handler. There was nary a Mavs fan that wasn't trolling the FO to get Luka some damn help in that dept.

Mavs might not have had to trade KP had they just gone after Dinwiddie or Derozan this past summer instead of keeping THJ.

I view KP as the fallout of that contract as much as anything. Maybe you still move on from KP eventually anyway, but the Mavs desperately need that shot blocking.

Good news is I do think they can get some sort of shot blocker this summer. We shall see.

Literally Nico’s first half season.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

While this is an obvious yes at this point, just remember it took the Mavs years before figuring out that they needed to get Luka another high caliber ball handler. There was nary a Mavs fan that wasn't trolling the FO to get Luka some damn help in that dept.

Mavs might not have had to trade KP had they just gone after Dinwiddie or Derozan this past summer instead of keeping THJ.

I view KP as the fallout of that contract as much as anything. Maybe you still move on from KP eventually anyway, but the Mavs desperately need that shot blocking.

Good news is I do think they can get some sort of shot blocker this summer. We shall see.

You gave good news, but I'll give the best news. We don't have the same FO or coach. I think they'll be a little more aggressive in pursuit of additional help.

On Dinwiddie, I'm not so sure we could have swung a deal. I'm curious the moves that the Mavs would have had to make. Seems like we could match the two 2nd rounders and get close to the $11.5M trade exception (can't recall how big ours was at the time), but they also traded another 2nd rounder and their 1st round pick to San Antonio (Chandler Hutchinson) which would have meant departing with Josh Green, arguably fine at the time but might be blessing in disguise if he continues to improve. They also appear to have rerouted the 1st rounder they got from the Lakers in the Westbrook deal to the Pacers. It's a long and confusing transaction, but I am not saying the Mavs could not have figured something out, it would have been very difficult.

Edit: I also think cap issues would have restricted Mavs moves, resigning THJ or renouncing rights, either way.

[tap2390]

Considering most of us thought Porzingis's contract was a negative asset heading into this season, I think we should be grateful we were able to move him.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Anyone still think we shouldn't have traded KP?

IT all depends

As I mentioned earlier had they just went after Dinwiddie last summer and not THJ to that silly contract then you end up with Dinwiddie and KP at the same time.

Yes, we fixed one problem by adding the additional ball handler, but it led to another problem which inferior low post defense.

KP might not have lived up to expectations, but he was giving you a solid rim protector which is very important come playoff time.

I'm just not a believer in Powell and yesterday after seeing how DFS and Green both played more aggressive post defense on Sabonis than our 6'11 starting center was capable of doing that makes me worry even more when Jokic, Ayton or Gobert rolls into town.

What's done is done can't go back and change anything but in hindsight everyone on these boards to a certain extent would probably have preferred Dinwiddie to THJ last summer.

Here's to hoping Chriss gets healthy and earns Kidd's trust by playoff time because I have a feeling that Powell is going to get played off the floor again unless the Mavs luck into playing a team that doesn't rely on a legit big.

[MFFL]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

As I mentioned earlier had they just went after Dinwiddie last summer and not THJ to that silly contract then you end up with Dinwiddie and KP at the same time.

Did we have two 2nd round picks to trade for Dinwiddie? Actually it was THREE 2nd round picks because the Wizards needed to get under the cap to make the trade.

And we would have had to do a sign and trade because renouncing Hardaway would not have given us the cap room to sign a significant free agent.

Hindsight is 20-20 and it would have been a great signing in retrospect. But a LOT of NBA teams would redo their free agency if they had 20-20 hindsight

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by MFFL

Did we have two 2nd round picks to trade for Dinwiddie? Actually it was THREE 2nd round picks because the Wizards needed to get under the cap to make the trade.

And we would have had to do a sign and trade because renouncing Hardaway would not have given us the cap room to sign a significant free agent.

Hindsight is 20-20 and it would have been a great signing in retrospect. But a LOT of NBA teams would redo their free agency if they had 20-20 hindsight

Hindsight is 20/20, and it’s not clear to me that having KP on this team is a good thing. Albatross contract and doesn’t mesh with our best player or style.