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yahyes · 03-04-2013, 01:13 AM

If I remember correctly. Last time we played Houston, the team didn't give into having a 3 point shootout and managed to contain Parson. Also, the Sarge started with adding to the victory.

Team fight for .500... then see how standings look.

TNT · 03-04-2013, 04:09 AM

Has anyone noticed that Dirk looks very frustrated lately? He has got like 3 technicals in last 3 games and he yells at his teammates all the time as well.

In my opinion it is interfering his game.

jasonic · 03-04-2013, 07:18 AM

Nerlens Noel here we come!!
But i 'm sure even if we take the 1st pick, we will sign Diop and Noel will be benched because Diop is a veteran, is a better fit with Mike James and knows how to play the game etc. etc.

Lor20 · 03-04-2013, 08:15 AM

As much as I hate to say it - but we may want to just pack it in for the season (the team seemed like it already had in the last week or two). Maybe even shut down Dirk because he is clearly getting frustrated with the whole situation.

rabbitproof · 03-04-2013, 11:37 AM

A lot of people have talked about shutting down Dirk (here and elsewhere).

On paper, it makes sense (save Dirk's legs, develop young players, get better position in the draft) but it would definitely alienate your season ticket holders and most fans in general.

Perhaps we can define shut down.

There is missing a week or two weeks of games due to minor nicks/injuries in a losing season to give more PT to youngins, which is more common, vs. a star deliberately playing his last game under a FO mandate with several weeks of the season to go, which I struggle to think of a clear instance of.

DirkFTW · 03-04-2013, 12:47 PM

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Perhaps we can define shut down.

How about have him stand at the 3-point line just bombing 3s? And by standing, I mean he doesn't even move for a change of possession.

No sense in letting his shooting touch rust.

GP · 03-04-2013, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TNT

Has anyone noticed that Dirk looks very frustrated lately? He has got like 3 technicals in last 3 games and he yells at his teammates all the time as well.

In my opinion it is interfering his game.

Why wouldn't he be frustrated? He is one of the best players to ever play in the NBA. Has spent the last decade dominating the opposition and making the playoffs every year and is by far the best player on the team and he can't even get the ball when he is open.

The Mavs have some atrocious guard play right now and it doesn't appear to be getting better. Lets be honest about this team. It is completely dysfunctional in a way we haven't seen from the Mavs since Cleamons coached the team. There just doesn't appear to be any offensive cohesion, no real game plan and the guards don't even try on defense. They are maddening to watch.

Frankly, if the players were actually trying to win rather than pad stats for their next contract they'd be making sure that Dirk got 20+ shots every night whether or not he was making them or not. Dirk shoots 20, Mayo shoots 15-20. Everybody else fights over the scraps. Instead, they've got a rook who bombs away but is a terrible shooter. Mike James shoots 8-10 times a game and well just look at his %. And what about all the other scrubs. They bomb away, take bad shot after bad shot and they freeze Dirk out of the offense. Heck, they even freeze Mayo out quite a bit as well.

I think he not only has a right to be pissed but absolutely should be pissed. It's a star driven league. Nobody wins in the NBA with a bunch of role players and no star and stars shoot the friggin' basketball a lot.

GP · 03-04-2013, 01:48 PM

I don't think you can shut Dirk down unless he really gets injured. I think it is imperative that he finishes the season up playing to his usual standards. This team sucks at drafting and besides those guys usually take forever to develop. Their only recourse is to score in free agency and Dirk demonstrating that he is an elite level player is about the only way to lure players without grossly overpaying. All players want to step into the best situation they possibly can. All things being equal players are going to where they can win. The only selling point bad teams or teams with few assets can utilize is lots of $$$$$$$.

rabbitproof · 03-04-2013, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DirkFTW

How about have him stand at the 3-point line just bombing 3s? And by standing, I mean he doesn't even move for a change of possession.

No sense in letting his shooting touch rust.

Records were made to be broken.

vinylstar · 03-04-2013, 03:42 PM

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Instead, they've got a rook who bombs away but is a terrible shooter. .

This comes from Rick. Rick is trying to make him into a 3pt shooter to solve the problem we have with our 3 (Marion), who can't space the floor. In today's NBA this is very critical. Crowder is just doing what the coaching staff is telling him, and to his credit he's mixing up his drives and bombs more lately.

I totally agree with you though. Dirk has every right to be completely pissed off, and I have no issue with him showing it. If Dirk re-signs here, it'll be better than the FO deserves.

yahyes · 03-04-2013, 05:11 PM

No way they should shut down Dirk. He still needs to fight for top 10 all time in scoring.

BGMaverick9 · 03-04-2013, 05:53 PM

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No way they should shut down Dirk. He still needs to fight for top 10 all time in scoring.

That's not the reason to keep him active.

You keep him active to show he's who he is as a player. You showcase him to the rest of the league to let people know he's okay. It's all about having him be fully right and good to go as they go towards next season. He won't want to sit, either.

oilfieldtrash · 03-04-2013, 06:28 PM

Mavs aren't going to lay down for anyone. Too much pride with our vets and Cuban.
At least they can still be entertaining at times.

dude1394 · 03-04-2013, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DirkFTW

How about have him stand at the 3-point line just bombing 3s? And by standing, I mean he doesn't even move for a change of possession.

No sense in letting his shooting touch rust.

That seems to be the only way he can get the ball so maybe that is a plan.

yahyes · 03-04-2013, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

Mavs aren't going to lay down for anyone. Too much pride with our vets and Cuban.
At least they can still be entertaining at times.

If they somehow get a 10 game win streak being 3 games over .500. Who knows how the 6-8 standings will look.

sike · 03-04-2013, 08:16 PM

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Mavs aren't going to lay down for anyone.

I wish someone would have told them during the third quarter last night that they weren't going to "lay down for anyone".

SMC0007 · 03-04-2013, 08:28 PM

Dirk really needs to re-focus here, now. Exactly what a lot of you guys are talking about is his main reason for doing so. Every single game he plays is now an audition. Not for another team but for other players to believe he still has it. Yea, the team isn't what he wants and the ones who seem capable aren't quite getting it done but he needs to buckle the F down. Get more aggressive and be more demanding of the ball. Take the damn ball to the hole. Use the full arsenal.

It's not just him, it's Rick and whoever else involved in game planning. The first lecture of the very next practice should have some commandments:

1) If anyone passes up Dirk to take a shot or forces a shot when he is open will be removed from the game.

2) Dirk must touch the ball on almost every possession outside of a fastbreak

3) If there is a scoring drought and a we are in a rut offensively, you must find a way to get Dirk the ball to take the tough shots.

4) If you aren't Dirk and you ever think you need to get going offensively.... don't think that. Stop it. Mainly because you don't.

5) Under no circumstances should you assume that he wants you to shoot the ball instead of him. Even if he passes to you wide open from a double team. Dump it back down.

6) If you f up a simple PnR with Dirk, you are going to be substituted.

7) If Dirk is not in the game, you can fire at will but after you shoot you must look at him in the eyes and apologize if you miss. (You should apologize to him even if you make it, and say that you wish it were him that took the shot)

8) After every game regardless of the outcome, you must apologize if you ever looked Dirk in the eye.

9) Never shower at the same time as him.

10) Never at any time, for any reason, make eye contact with him at or near the showers.

grndmstr_c · 03-04-2013, 08:42 PM

When the Mavericks saw the thunder and lightning and heard the trumpet and saw the mountain in smoke, they trembled with fear. They stayed at a distance and said to Rick, “Speak to us yourself and we will listen. But do not have Dirk speak to us or we will die.” Rick said to the Mavericks, “Do not be afraid. Dirk has come to test you, so that the fear of Dirk will be with you to keep you from sinning.”

41creepingdeath · 03-04-2013, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Dirk really needs to re-focus here, now. Exactly what a lot of you guys are talking about is his main reason for doing so. Every single game he plays is now an audition. Not for another team but for other players to believe he still has it. Yea, the team isn't what he wants and the ones who seem capable aren't quite getting it done but he needs to buckle the F down. Get more aggressive and be more demanding of the ball. Take the damn ball to the hole. Use the full arsenal.

It's not just him, it's Rick and whoever else involved in game planning. The first lecture of the very next practice should have some commandments:

1) If anyone passes up Dirk to take a shot or forces a shot when he is open will be removed from the game.

2) Dirk must touch the ball on almost every possession outside of a fastbreak

3) If there is a scoring drought and a we are in a rut offensively, you must find a way to get Dirk the ball to take the tough shots.

4) If you aren't Dirk and you ever think you need to get going offensively.... don't think that. Stop it. Mainly because you don't.

5) Under no circumstances should you assume that he wants you to shoot the ball instead of him. Even if he passes to you wide open from a double team. Dump it back down.

6) If you f up a simple PnR with Dirk, you are going to be substituted.

7) If Dirk is not in the game, you can fire at will but after you shoot you must look at him in the eyes and apologize if you miss. (You should apologize to him even if you make it, and say that you wish it were him that took the shot)

8) After every game regardless of the outcome, you must apologize if you ever looked Dirk in the eye.

9) Never shower at the same time as him.

10) Never at any time, for any reason, make eye contact with him at or near the showers.

Of which nothing at all will happen, knowing this team and the way Carlisle has handled it this season.

j0Shi · 03-04-2013, 11:55 PM

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Dentmon, 27, plays for the Texas Legends. It is his second stint with the Dallas Mavericks’ D-League affiliate in the last three years, and he leads the league in scoring at 21.5 ppg. He’s averaging 25.9 ppg in 15 games with the Legends since being traded mid-season from the Austin Toros, the San Antonio Spurs’ affiliate he won the league MVP with and led to the D-League title a year ago.

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/0...ons-long-wait/

Just curious why that guy hasn't landed on the Mavs radar with all the backcourt struggles we've had. Still some time left in the season and maybe a good idea to get a closer look at some dudes regarding next year even if that means waiving DoJo or Roddy (or Mike James, but that won't happen I guess).

SMC0007 · 03-05-2013, 12:07 AM

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http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/0...ons-long-wait/

Just curious why that guy hasn't landed on the Mavs radar with all the backcourt struggles we've had. Still some time left in the season and maybe a good idea to get a closer look at some dudes regarding next year even if that means waiving DoJo or Roddy (or Mike James, but that won't happen I guess).

GP · 03-05-2013, 06:55 PM

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http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/0...ons-long-wait/

Just curious why that guy hasn't landed on the Mavs radar with all the backcourt struggles we've had. Still some time left in the season and maybe a good idea to get a closer look at some dudes regarding next year even if that means waiving DoJo or Roddy (or Mike James, but that won't happen I guess).

I watched that kid play the other day on TV. The developmental league seems to be a junk league free for all with guys just doing their own thing but whenever he was in the game he settled the team down and they played solid basketball. He seemed to be an excellent scorer, good ball handler with good quickness.

He might just be a backup/end of the bench kind of guy but he is definitely better than a lot of guys playing in the NBA right now. Problem with the Mavs is they are always taking guys who are projects and not guys who can contribute. I think I read somewhere on here that guys who are 2nd round picks who play a lot their first year tend to turn out well. I think that means that projects hardly ever turn out while the guys who are good enough to contribute right away tend to get better.

Makes sense to me. If player A is better than player B to start with then player A is going to gain confidence and get better while player B has to work harder just to get to A's level. In sports we always here that term upside but I think that is just goofy. Baseball and basketball are the worst. NFL drafts and keeps guys that can play on day 1 while baseball and basketball have bust after bust after bust with their first round picks.

SMC0007 · 03-06-2013, 02:53 PM

You know things are bad around here when it's 2pm and there is no Game Day Thread!

DirkFTW · 03-06-2013, 03:17 PM

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You know things are bad around here when it's 2pm and there is no Game Day Thread!

If there's no GDT, then we can all pretend the game didn't happen.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-06-2013, 03:44 PM

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You know things are bad around here when it's 2pm and there is no Game Day Thread!

And Clutchfans last GDT against us went 93 pages.

Most Mavs fans have all but jumped ship from this season it seems. Can you blame them?

j0Shi · 03-06-2013, 03:54 PM

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And Clutchfans last GDT against us went 93 pages.

Most Mavs fans have all but jumped ship from this season it seems. Can you blame them?

1800+ posts is impressive, think we didn't reach 1500 during the 2011 Finals.

SMC0007 · 03-06-2013, 04:02 PM

Idk, I've gotten used to the ppl around here, whether or not I like or agree with every one of them, it's the only place I go. I know there are other places but I like it here.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-06-2013, 04:07 PM

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Idk, I've gotten used to the ppl around here, whether or not I like or agree with every one of them, it's the only place I go. I know there are other places but I like it here.

I ain't goin' nowhere dawg! I dabble on other sites but mostly post here.

They'll all come back once we get Dwight Howard and Chris Paul this summer.

SMC0007 · 03-06-2013, 04:24 PM

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I ain't goin' nowhere dawg! I dabble on other sites but mostly post here.

They'll all come back once we get Dwight Howard and Chris Paul this summer.

Haha right on. This off-season has potential to be one of the most interesting in years...for us.

adonis · 03-06-2013, 04:43 PM

Mavs fans aren't jumping ship. The posts are low because they're repetitive. Our issues have been the exact same throughout, so there's no need to repost the same thing in every game thread.