Harris, Stack and Croshere for Kidd?

[Hitman]

I was listening to Mike Francesa on WFAN in New York, and he took a break from the Giants/ Jets NFL talk to claim that he has heard "through his sources" that a Harris, Croshere and Stack for Kidd deal is being discussed heavily at the moment.

He endorsed it for both teams, saying that Kidd is just what the Mavs need to put them over the top and the Nets would get a good young point plus expiring contracts (which don't mean much to the Mavs since they will never get under the cap.)

12 and 13 game win streaks aside....do you go for this?

I would.

[stuportremens]

Originally Posted by Hitman

I was listening to Mike Francesa on WFAN in New York, and he took a break from the Giants/ Jets NFL talk to claim that he has heard "through his sources" that a Harris, Croshere and Stack for Kidd deal is being discussed heavily at the moment.

He endorsed it for both teams, saying that Kidd is just what the Mavs need to put them over the top and the Nets would get a good young point plus expiring contracts (which don't mean much to the Mavs since they will never get under the cap.)

12 and 13 game win streaks aside....do you go for this?

I would.

I wouldn't. 4 or 5 years ago, yes.

Now It would mean shortening our championship window from 4-5 years to 1-2 years while simultaneously gutting our bench.

Only an idiot would do this.

[shaw-xx]

Devin? At the moment? Gimme a break.

[jthig32]

"Being discussed heavily"

Whatever. Someone threw this out there as a random "hey this would work" in an article on ESPN.com this week. I read it myself.

I love how the rumor mill works in the media.

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by jthig32

"Being discussed heavily"

Whatever. Someone threw this out there as a random "hey this would work" in an article on ESPN.com this week. I read it myself.

I love how the rumor mill works in the media.

too true.

I doubt Dallas would do a Stack, Cro, and AJ2 for Kidd, but that one they would have to consider. I don't see any way they would kill their cap relief, and give up an aspiring young "best defensive PG in the West" for Kidd.

[bobatundi]

even after a win in San Antonio to extend our 13 game winning streak and give us a 4-game lead over the Spurs, people are worried about putting this team over the top? wake up, this team is already there.

is there a way to block the trade forum from my view altogether?

[The Crippler]

Are you joking, Kidd? Kidd? Jason Kidd is done. What a stupid idea. Kidd? Is this 2000 or 2007?

[aexchange]

dont see us trading for kidd unless we give up a bunch of spare parts.

thats not going to happen.

[kriD]

Originally Posted by The Crippler

Are you joking, Kidd? Kidd? Jason Kidd is done. What a stupid idea. Kidd? Is this 2000 or 2007?

Kidd
99-00: 14.3 pts, 7.2 rebs, 10.1 assts, 3.4 TOs in 39.0 mins
06-07: 13.4 pts, 8.1 rebs, 9.1 assts, 2.8 TOs in 37.5 mins

He played 80 games last season, all 32 so far this season.

"Done"?

[MavsX]

no way! harris is the man in Big D!

[Dirkadirkastan]

When is the trade deadline?

[sike]

nope.

oh, and I hate the trade forum.

[kriD]

Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

When is the trade deadline?

Feb. 22

[Drbio]

Originally Posted by Hitman

I was listening to Mike Francesa on WFAN in New York, and he took a break from the Giants/ Jets NFL talk to claim that he has heard "through his sources" that a Harris, Croshere and Stack for Kidd deal is being discussed heavily at the moment.

He endorsed it for both teams, saying that Kidd is just what the Mavs need to put them over the top and the Nets would get a good young point plus expiring contracts (which don't mean much to the Mavs since they will never get under the cap.)

12 and 13 game win streaks aside....do you go for this?

I would.

[mffl03]

too bad kidd has about how many years left in his career as a player?

Harris has how many?

[Dtownsfinest]

I wouldn't trade any of our youth for Kidd. Believe it or not i'd be more willing to do a Terry, Stack and Croshere deal. Not sure if contracts match but even then why trade Kidd when you need bigs?

[DarenG]

Originally Posted by Hitman

I was listening to Mike Francesa on WFAN in New York, and he took a break from the Giants/ Jets NFL talk to claim that he has heard "through his sources" that a Harris, Croshere and Stack for Kidd deal is being discussed heavily at the moment.

He endorsed it for both teams, saying that Kidd is just what the Mavs need to put them over the top and the Nets would get a good young point plus expiring contracts (which don't mean much to the Mavs since they will never get under the cap.)

12 and 13 game win streaks aside....do you go for this?

I would.

No way. Second out of what trade I have heard today. First off that is assuming Kid would allow the trade with his no trade clause. Second, why would the nets do that deal? Word is they are trying to shed salary and rebuild. Not take on more contracts. It would make sense for Kidd and maybe Dallas but not the Nets.

[Drbio]

You do realize that Stackhouse and Croshere are expiring right? And they would get a young stud with a friendly contract. There is no way this ever happens due to the sheer stupidity of it, but come on man....think it out.

[Brad0Walker]

NO WAY, no way i would ever do this with devin harris on the rise like he is. I can only think of one player in the league that is as quick as he is (barbosa). Harris has been taking charges like crazy this year. Aside from the rare brain fart he has and makes a bad desicion, He has been incredible, and stack has come up big in the clutch more than once this year.

[Janett_Reno]

No way that is happening. Harris is Dallas future at point, like a Tony Parker. Then let's say you bring in Kidd to compete with Terry and Harris. Harris already said last year, i want to start and things he should ahead of Terry. Now you bring in Kidd and Terry and Harris. Two are going to be pissed bad.

That is like bringing Nash back and sitting Nash on the bench or sitting Terry. Can you blame Nash or Terry getting mad? Would you blame Kidd getting mad if we got him and sat him on the bench? Terry, Nash and Kidd are big time players and starters. You can't start 3 small guys.

No way we will trade Harris unless we get a super super player. Cleveland is begging for a point guard, not a has been but a good one, and so are many teams. We have two very good ones in Harris and Terry. Anthony Johnson is solid at 3rd string and teams have said they want him to start for their team.

If any trades happen it would be Croshere, expiring contract and teams want that. Stackhouse, offense and expiring contract, Anthony Johnson because 75% of the league needs a point guard and one that can play defense and hand out some ast.

Untouchables on our team are Dirk, Howard, Terry and probably Harris. Dampier and Diop won't be traded unless we get good big men back. This team now has a good mix and some nights it is Stack off the bench that goes off, Devean George some nights, Harris pressing defense or going to the basket, some nights it is Dampier's defense and rebounds. Every single night it is Dirk and Howard and most nights Terry in some kind of way. I have seen Diop change games and give us a win because of his block shots and defense on a guy like Tim Duncan.

Now they say Buckner can defend almost anyone in the league. It is hell to be able to get a minute or minutes on this team unless you can flat play because we are so deep and good. Why you can't just count on George is because he has had alot of injury, why you can't just count on Stack is because he has alot of injury and he isn't the best on defense but ok. So you need mixture of players and not all stars and superstars.

We tried that in Jamison, Dirk, Nash, Walker, and Finley and it did not work. We was excitting like Phx but we wasn't going anywhere with Phx style because we couldn't defend a high school team and because our big bad center was Bradley.

If any trades happen i would think it would be Croshere and or Johnson. We really don't have to do anything.

[DarenG]

I have mixed feelings about this. If this was just about winning a title this year and maybe next I do this trade. However, if the future of the franchise is a factor, I have a harder time with this. How many years does Kidd have left? However, if we do this trade, I think we win the title.

[Amir]

Mixed feelings here too.

[Flacolaco]

Originally Posted by sike

nope.

oh, and I hate the trade forum.

I too, hate the trade forum.

[MFFL]

Hating the trade forum is OK. Posting in a forum you hate is silly.

I hate the soccer threads that pop up every once in awhile but that just means I use self control and ignore them. Because there ARE some people who enjoy soccer threads - just like there are people who enjoy "what-if" trade threads.

If you hate the forum then DON'T READ IT.

[Dirkenstien]

Good post MFFL. I would never continue to read, let alone post, in a forum I didn't enjoy.

[Dirkenstien]

By the way... this trade is a tough one to make a call on but in the end I think I do it. Having Kidd on the court with Dirk and Howard would be unbelievable. He is just one of those guys that makes everyone around him look good..particularly at the 3 and 4 spots Look at what Kidd did with K.Mart; heck, Kidd is even making Mikki freaking Moore look pretty good, and the best part is he is also a defensive stopper and great rebounder for his position. Most of all, I think that if we brought back Kidd it would be great for the league and for the rivalry between Dallas and Pheonix with both guys being back where they started but now competing for a championship. Also, having a superstar back at the PG spot would help people forget about us letting Nash walk because we got BETTER and still filled the gap he left us with.

[jayC]

Kidd is anwd was a greta point guard. However he can't shoot the Rock and ahas a huge contract. Two aren't we far and a way the most complete basketball team in the NBA. The onoly way i consider making a move is for KG .

[G-Man]

I'd do this if i thought we needed help at the point but we don't. If they want to take expiring contracts, maybe. But we need Stacks scoring off the bench way more than we need a better point guard, so I wouldnt trade him. Cro, AJ2, DJ, rookies, Thats all I'd give up, and I'm still not sure it would not be a negative just to mess with our chemistry

[pickupyonuts]

Originally Posted by bobatundi

is there a way to block the trade forum from my view altogether?

im tired of these coming to the trade and draft board asking if there is a way to block it from their sight and stuff like that. if you don't wanna read it, don't click on the link. is that a hard concept??

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by bobatundi

even after a win in San Antonio to extend our 13 game winning streak and give us a 4-game lead over the Spurs, people are worried about putting this team over the top? wake up, this team is already there.

is there a way to block the trade forum from my view altogether?

Yea, it's called click somewhere else. I'm not crazy about the trade forum either but to try and shut it down is nurse cratchett-like.

[Dirkenstien]

The way Kidd has been playing lately it would be a terrible decision to make a trade for him that includes Harris. I change my decision to no on this trade.

[Hitman]

I wonder where we would be now if they actually made this trade a year ago.

[Robillion]

if we made this trade at that time a year ago... we'd be defending champs.. heh.
Funny how like everyone was so against it last year then Kidd goes on a triple double tear and the mavs dont look nearly as good this year.. one more year added to Kidds career and now its all good. With all said and done, Im glad we finally did it. and if we get Magloire then I like our chances.

[mqywaaah]

Originally Posted by stuportremens

I wouldn't. 4 or 5 years ago, yes.

Now It would mean shortening our championship window from 4-5 years to 1-2 years while simultaneously gutting our bench.

Only an idiot would do this.

Well, after a year, that idiot eventually did it. We lost more than discussed in this thread.

[rabbitproof]

While I think this move benefits the Mavs more in retrospect, I'm not sure the Nets do it then. One, Kidd wasn't really going to the next level in his diva-ness (migraine) and two, Devin really increased his value this year as a starter and as a shooter. They were seeking Bynum-level compensation last year and Devin, for all his talents, is not in Bynum's category.

Then again, Stack and Cro would've been big expirings so maybe it still goes down if we still include the firsts.

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

There is no way the Mavs are trading Harris for Kidd, ever. I refuse to believe it has even been discussed.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

A year ago we were also a 67 win team. Not like any of us thought we were going to collapse vs GS.

[The Crippler]

I was against it last year, and my stance still stays the same this year. Still against it but obviously I have to deal with it if I want to stay a Mav fan.