Relationship between Luka & KP what's your thoughts - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Dallas41 · 04-22-2021, 04:03 PM

DALLAS - Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban on Thursday wisely addressed the elephant in the MFFL room, the relationship between young stars Luka Doncic and Kristaps Porzingis, both acknowledging its "dust-up'' nature and downplaying its long-term significance.

"On the court they are fine,'' Cuban said in a 105.3 The Fan visit on "K&C Masterpiece.'' "That's not to say their aren't dust-ups, because there are. I'd compare it to Jet and Dirk.''

It's a sort of open secret inside the Mavs that Doncic, 22, and Porzingis, 25, are not the fast friends they were when they initially became teammates two seasons ago. But Cuban's parallel to "Jet and Dirk'' is a key one. It was 16 years ago when Jason "Jet'' Terry was acquired by the Mavs in trade. "Jet'' was a cocky, shoot-first point guard - and was the replacement for the departed Steve Nash, young Dirk's best friend in basketball.

“(Nowitzki and Terry) weren’t best friends at the beginning, but they grew to like each other and grew to be great friends and that’s just part of the process when you’ve got young kids who are growing up," Cuban said. “It took forever before Dirk and Jet did anything off the court together. A long time.''

EricaLubarsky · 04-22-2021, 04:05 PM

This is the worst secret in the NBA. KP dislikes Luka. I don't know how Luka feels about KP. Media just fawns over Luka and ignores KP-- even asking KP questions exclusively about Luka.

I mean one way KP can change that is to actually have a star game/impact, but I think it's the simmering bomb behind the scenes and it's part of why the chemistry is bad sometimes.

Sadly, I'm not sure if there's a way to trade KP, so we just gotta pray that KP actually turns into a star.

SMC0007 · 04-22-2021, 04:47 PM

Cuban talks like sees them as being together for a long time. That's not a comfortable feeling when he is closer to the team than everyone else and should have a better pulse on the teams needs. I think them being friends is much less important than KP being a good player.

tap2390 · 04-22-2021, 05:47 PM

To be fair what's Cuban supposed to say?

"They hate each other. There's no fixing it because KP still wants to be the big dog despite his inconsistent game and availability and injury history. We're going to trade him for 50 cents on the dollar to Boston this offseason."

DIRK LEGIONS · 04-25-2021, 08:24 PM

Kp and his shitty brother did same thing here in NYC.
Kp see himself as a #1 but his body gonna only let him be a #3.
His ego to big to admit it. Once he comes to grips with it and embraces that LUKA Is the franchise maybe things get better.

But theres a clock here with LUKA and I dont see him staying in dallas once his deal done unless people force their way to Dallas to play with him.
If not he going la or nyc

sefant77 · 04-25-2021, 09:19 PM

Couldnt care less if they spend their time off the court together or not

turin · 04-25-2021, 09:35 PM

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Couldnt care less if they spend their time off the court together or not

This

MFFL · 04-25-2021, 11:30 PM

This situation makes me kinda wonder if Luka can actually handle having a second star on the team

Other star players watch the NBA too and see Luka passing the ball to other players instead of KP - even when KP is the second best option on the court (other than Luka of course). Why would they want to come here? The third and fourth tier guys love Luka because he does make life easier on them but the better players might not want any part of it

It is hopefully just a problem with Luka's current maturity and will go away in a couple of years

Dallas41 · 04-26-2021, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MFFL

This situation makes me kinda wonder if Luka can actually handle having a second star on the team

Other star players watch the NBA too and see Luka passing the ball to other players instead of KP - even when KP is the second best option on the court (other than Luka of course). Why would they want to come here? The third and fourth tier guys love Luka because he does make life easier on them but the better players might not want any part of it

It is hopefully just a problem with Luka's current maturity and will go away in a couple of years

KP is a big and I think the way this offense is designed five out/free flowing is better served for wing players to get majority of shots/touches

For example a guy like Zach Lavine or D.DeRozan would get all the shots that Brunson or THJ gets because they will have the ball in their hands more.

KP is more at the mercy of the wing players passing him the ball and since we have more shoot shoot 1st wing players as opposed to guys who will make the extra pass KP is left standing a lot watching offensively.

Another guy who could do both break down a defense and set up KP offensively would be huge but I'm not sure if that type of player is available or would even consider Dallas.

Lavine makes tons of sense but not sure the Bulls would trade him and DeRozan seems like he would prefer NY or either LA team over the Mavs in Free agency.

MFFL · 04-26-2021, 06:08 AM

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KP is a big and I think the way this offense is designed five out/free flowing is better served for wing players to get majority of shots/touches

Yet Dirk was always fed his shots with the same offense

Jack.Kerr · 04-26-2021, 06:33 AM

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This situation makes me kinda wonder if Luka can actually handle having a second star on the team

Other star players watch the NBA too and see Luka passing the ball to other players instead of KP - even when KP is the second best option on the court (other than Luka of course). Why would they want to come here? The third and fourth tier guys love Luka because he does make life easier on them but the better players might not want any part of it

It is hopefully just a problem with Luka's current maturity and will go away in a couple of years

Think that All Star vote by the NBA players (131-58) for Lillard was a message to Luka?

The problem is that Luka is a fundamentally selfish, self-first player, with the ball in his hands, playing in a shit-system, who is ALLOWED to play selfishly.

Different system, harder coaching could fix that, but could Luka's ego handle it? Can you imagine Luka getting chewed out by Pop like Pop used to chew out Parker? Or Duncan? Or Ginobili? Luka would shit his XXXXL diaper, curl up in the fetal position, and then shit his diaper AGAIN.

One can hope that it's about maturity/experience but the self-first play looks pretty ingrained in Luka. Noticed it first in his rookie year, in a game against Cleveland, when Dirk was just a few points away from some all-time milestone--we're talking DIRK, in his final year, playing for All-Time.

And late in the game, Dirk is standing out beyond the arc, OPEN, and Luka keeps driving and hoisting, hoisting and driving, playing for that ROY trophy.

This is like Adrian Dantley waving Kareem (Sky-hook KAREEM) out of the low post so he can go one-on-one, but worse. Way worse. (At least Dantley was an All-Star vet, and Kareem had years to go in his career.) Or maybe more like 280-lb rookie Charles Barkley not giving the ball up on a 3-1 break to Dr. J.

Yeah, I can't imagine any top-tier FA watching Luka play and wanting to play with him. Or wanting to join a franchise whose management and fans think their baby all-star can do no wrong, so he never gets told 'no', and never gets held accountable-- not by coaches, not by fans.

Nobody likes to be told that their baby is ugly. But Mavericks, you've got an ugly baby.

Melonhead · 04-26-2021, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MFFL

This situation makes me kinda wonder if Luka can actually handle having a second star on the team

Other star players watch the NBA too and see Luka passing the ball to other players instead of KP - even when KP is the second best option on the court (other than Luka of course). Why would they want to come here? The third and fourth tier guys love Luka because he does make life easier on them but the better players might not want any part of it

It is hopefully just a problem with Luka's current maturity and will go away in a couple of years

Definitely something I have thought about and wonder if it goes away with time and maturity. I just hope he’s still in Dallas when that moment comes.

spreedom · 04-26-2021, 09:34 AM

I think a lot of you are getting worked up over nothing. I think most other NBA players know that Porzingis is basically a zero and Luka is poised to be one of the best players in the league for the next decade-plus.

Jack.Kerr · 04-26-2021, 09:55 AM

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I think a lot of you are getting worked up over nothing. I think most other NBA players know that Porzingis is basically a zero and Luka is poised to be one of the best players in the league for the next decade-plus.

Durant: "He's a unicorn."

tap2390 · 04-26-2021, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

Think that All Star vote by the NBA players (131-58) for Lillard was a message to Luka?

The problem is that Luka is a fundamentally selfish, self-first player, with the ball in his hands, playing in a shit-system, who is ALLOWED to play selfishly.

Different system, harder coaching could fix that, but could Luka's ego handle it? Can you imagine Luka getting chewed out by Pop like Pop used to chew out Parker? Or Duncan? Or Ginobili? Luka would shit his XXXXL diaper, curl up in the fetal position, and then shit his diaper AGAIN.

One can hope that it's about maturity/experience but the self-first play looks pretty ingrained in Luka. Noticed it first in his rookie year, in a game against Cleveland, when Dirk was just a few points away from some all-time milestone--we're talking DIRK, in his final year, playing for All-Time.

And late in the game, Dirk is standing out beyond the arc, OPEN, and Luka keeps driving and hoisting, hoisting and driving, playing for that ROY trophy.

This is like Adrian Dantley waving Kareem (Sky-hook KAREEM) out of the low post so he can go one-on-one, but worse. Way worse. (At least Dantley was an All-Star vet, and Kareem had years to go in his career.) Or maybe more like 280-lb rookie Charles Barkley not giving the ball up on a 3-1 break to Dr. J.

Yeah, I can't imagine any top-tier FA watching Luka play and wanting to play with him. Or wanting to join a franchise whose management and fans think their baby all-star can do no wrong, so he never gets told 'no', and never gets held accountable-- not by coaches, not by fans.

Nobody likes to be told that their baby is ugly. But Mavericks, you've got an ugly baby.

This is objectively a shitty take. We have a transformative superstar who seems to be well liked by his teammates outside of the one guy transitioning from being "the" dude to "a" dude.

Luka is the reason the Mavs generate the most open looks of any team in the league.

Luka is the reason we're talking about being the six seed instead of talking about tanking for Cade Cunningham.

Luka pretty much singlehandedly reinvigorated a franchise that three years ago was looking at two guys who we now know are fringe NBA players (Dennis Smith Jr. and Marvin Bagley) as foundational pieces.

Luka is young, complains a lot, gets too many techs... agreed. Calling him a selfish me-first player is beyond a stretch and proof your personal disdain of him is coloring your outlook.

tap2390 · 04-26-2021, 10:47 AM

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Durant: "He's a unicorn."

KP is a unicorn in that we all hear rumors of a dominant version of him existing yet no one seems to be able to find it.

Dallas41 · 04-26-2021, 10:52 AM

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Yet Dirk was always fed his shots with the same offense

Yeah but Dirk played with Kidd , Terry and JJB

They used him more in two man g ame as opposed to KP

Those players are each willing passers more so than Brunson, THJ or Richardson

Luka will pass the ball but more often than not he's passing to someone other than KP.

At the end of day I've always felt it's up to the coach to call more set plays and get KP his touches in sweet spots.

Skywalker · 04-26-2021, 10:57 AM

The mavs offense was vastly different back then. It's not even comparable tbh

Bryan_Wilson · 04-26-2021, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

Think that All Star vote by the NBA players (131-58) for Lillard was a message to Luka?

The problem is that Luka is a fundamentally selfish, self-first player, with the ball in his hands, playing in a shit-system, who is ALLOWED to play selfishly.

Different system, harder coaching could fix that, but could Luka's ego handle it? Can you imagine Luka getting chewed out by Pop like Pop used to chew out Parker? Or Duncan? Or Ginobili? Luka would shit his XXXXL diaper, curl up in the fetal position, and then shit his diaper AGAIN.

One can hope that it's about maturity/experience but the self-first play looks pretty ingrained in Luka. Noticed it first in his rookie year, in a game against Cleveland, when Dirk was just a few points away from some all-time milestone--we're talking DIRK, in his final year, playing for All-Time.

And late in the game, Dirk is standing out beyond the arc, OPEN, and Luka keeps driving and hoisting, hoisting and driving, playing for that ROY trophy.

This is like Adrian Dantley waving Kareem (Sky-hook KAREEM) out of the low post so he can go one-on-one, but worse. Way worse. (At least Dantley was an All-Star vet, and Kareem had years to go in his career.) Or maybe more like 280-lb rookie Charles Barkley not giving the ball up on a 3-1 break to Dr. J.

Yeah, I can't imagine any top-tier FA watching Luka play and wanting to play with him. Or wanting to join a franchise whose management and fans think their baby all-star can do no wrong, so he never gets told 'no', and never gets held accountable-- not by coaches, not by fans.

Nobody likes to be told that their baby is ugly. But Mavericks, you've got an ugly baby.

This is definitely on the short list of worst takes I've read here.

It's right there with the Mavs are racist because Dirk... Luka not DSJ... that's a trend of white post we had here in the last 2 yrs.

Jack.Kerr · 04-26-2021, 02:29 PM

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It's right there with the Mavs are racist because Dirk... Luka not DSJ... that's a trend of white post we had here in the last 2 yrs.

I'm not even going to touch that. ...Yet.

turin · 04-26-2021, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MFFL

This situation makes me kinda wonder if Luka can actually handle having a second star on the team

Other star players watch the NBA too and see Luka passing the ball to other players instead of KP - even when KP is the second best option on the court (other than Luka of course). Why would they want to come here? The third and fourth tier guys love Luka because he does make life easier on them but the better players might not want any part of it

It is hopefully just a problem with Luka's current maturity and will go away in a couple of years

In a couple of years, Mav fans won't have to worry about it.

Bryan_Wilson · 04-26-2021, 05:12 PM

KP puts up one less shot than AD per game. His usage rate is 1 less than AD. I really don't see his opportunities or lack thereof from Luka being an issue the numbers say he's a #2. He's also not a guard and guards dominate today's NBA. I want him to be more aggressive and assertive but if the argument is Luka selfishly takes the ball out of KP's hands that's just not supported by the stats. The only area Luka needs to work on with KP imo is end of game management. KP does tend to get ignored closing out games(team issue not a Luka only issue though imo) and Luka probably takes too many ill-advised step backs late in games when a better look is needed.

Dallas41 · 04-28-2021, 11:32 PM

This is sorta related to Luka

Did anyone hear Zion's post game comments tonight after the Nuggets won on their last second block shot?

Well they asked Zion in the press conference if he felt he was fouled and response he gave I felt was very mature for 2nd year player.

Basically he said he hasn't earned the right at this stage of his career to get that call so he wasn't going to complain about it.

Makes you wonder if Luka would have got himself another technical in the same situation

washedklean77 · 04-29-2021, 09:40 AM

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This is sorta related to Luka

Did anyone hear Zion's post game comments tonight after the Nuggets won on their last second block shot?

Well they asked Zion in the press conference if he felt he was fouled and response he gave I felt was very mature for 2nd year player.

Basically he said he hasn't earned the right at this stage of his career to get that call so he wasn't going to complain about it.

Makes you wonder if Luka would have got himself another technical in the same situation

Luka would have been incredibly dramatic and irrational in response to that play. I think Luka expects and demands a high level of respect because he has been a pro baller since he was 15. He knows that he's great and gets a ton of positive feedback from the current and legacy greats which has fed his ego entirely too much for his infancy run in the NBA. We can only hope that he remains incredibly hungry to take himself and his team to the very next level and onto a title one day.

tap2390 · 04-29-2021, 10:28 AM

Lol got to love all the armchair psychologists breaking down Luka as a person.

Luka definitely complains a lot to the refs. Too much. So did/ does Duncan, Kobe, Brady, Ronaldo, Sidney Crosby and a whole host of other great players.

Some Guy · 04-29-2021, 01:08 PM

And that says a whole lot more about the officiating than it does about players. You shouldn't have to earn fair treatment.

Luka does need to learn to handle it better and not give up on the next play.

Bryan_Wilson · 04-29-2021, 01:36 PM

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Luka would have been incredibly dramatic and irrational in response to that play. I think Luka expects and demands a high level of respect because he has been a pro baller since he was 15. He knows that he's great and gets a ton of positive feedback from the current and legacy greats which has fed his ego entirely too much for his infancy run in the NBA. We can only hope that he remains incredibly hungry to take himself and his team to the very next level and onto a title one day.

It's this part. He's been playing for a pro club for a long time. He's not a typical 3rd year. IMO it's worse this season because of what I mentioned a while back. He went from averaging 9 ft's a game down to like 5. That's not a gradual decline that's a drastic sudden shift. He's always going to be in the ear of the refs it's just who he is as an emotional player. He needs to not let it get beyond a point but IMO this is primarily because he's been a pro a while so there's a level of expectations with him other 3rd yr players wouldn't have.

Dallas41 · 05-12-2021, 12:04 AM

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/m...h-luka-doncic/

Mavericks' Kristaps Porzingis disputes Mark Cuban's claims of prior 'dust-ups' with Luka Doncic

"I've never had any problems with my teammates off the court, I've always gotten along very well with them," Porzingis said in Spanish. "I don't know what Cuban was talking about. I try to be as professional as possible, do what I have to do and be a soldier for the team."

tap2390 · 05-12-2021, 08:58 AM

I don’t think anyone thought KP and Luka were beefing off the court and that’s not what Cuban said. I’m pretty sure we’re all concerned that they don’t like each other’s games and click on the court.

Unicorn · 05-12-2021, 10:24 AM

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I don’t think anyone thought KP and Luka were beefing off the court and that’s not what Cuban said. I’m pretty sure we’re all concerned that they don’t like each other’s games and click on the court.

I think Kp don't like that Luka is not passing a ball to him when he is wide open, I believe that is the only problem

Thespiralgoeson · 05-12-2021, 05:43 PM

Luka is a generational superstar, and KP is a perpetually injured not-quite-all-star, so I really don't give a crap what their relationship is like.

Also, I'm convinced that Jack Kerr is pulling an Andy Kaufman with this hilarious "Luka sucks KP is great" takes.

Murphy3 · 05-13-2021, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

Think that All Star vote by the NBA players (131-58) for Lillard was a message to Luka?

The problem is that Luka is a fundamentally selfish, self-first player, with the ball in his hands, playing in a shit-system, who is ALLOWED to play selfishly.

Different system, harder coaching could fix that, but could Luka's ego handle it? Can you imagine Luka getting chewed out by Pop like Pop used to chew out Parker? Or Duncan? Or Ginobili? Luka would shit his XXXXL diaper, curl up in the fetal position, and then shit his diaper AGAIN.

One can hope that it's about maturity/experience but the self-first play looks pretty ingrained in Luka. Noticed it first in his rookie year, in a game against Cleveland, when Dirk was just a few points away from some all-time milestone--we're talking DIRK, in his final year, playing for All-Time.

And late in the game, Dirk is standing out beyond the arc, OPEN, and Luka keeps driving and hoisting, hoisting and driving, playing for that ROY trophy.

This is like Adrian Dantley waving Kareem (Sky-hook KAREEM) out of the low post so he can go one-on-one, but worse. Way worse. (At least Dantley was an All-Star vet, and Kareem had years to go in his career.) Or maybe more like 280-lb rookie Charles Barkley not giving the ball up on a 3-1 break to Dr. J.

Yeah, I can't imagine any top-tier FA watching Luka play and wanting to play with him. Or wanting to join a franchise whose management and fans think their baby all-star can do no wrong, so he never gets told 'no', and never gets held accountable-- not by coaches, not by fans.

Nobody likes to be told that their baby is ugly. But Mavericks, you've got an ugly baby.

Being a long time fan of the Mavs, you should know that being a white superstar in the NBA is going to come with it's share of issues. Dirk went through them. There's probably a reason why the Lillard vote was as skewed as it was.. Unfortunately, bias based upon race isn't a one way street.

tap2390 · 05-14-2021, 09:03 AM

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Being a long time fan of the Mavs, you should know that being a white superstar in the NBA is going to come with it's share of issues. Dirk went through them. There's probably a reason why the Lillard vote was as skewed as it was.. Unfortunately, bias based upon race isn't a one way street.

I just can’t. Y’all are some characters. Surely it’s bias and not the fact that most of the American and Canadian born players have been playing together since they were 10. Surely it’s bias and not that the best white players tend to be European. Surely it’s bias and not players wanting to reward Dame for his stellar play and veteran status.

Murphy3 · 05-14-2021, 09:47 AM

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I just can’t. Y’all are some characters. Surely it’s bias and not the fact that most of the American and Canadian born players have been playing together since they were 10. Surely it’s bias and not that the best white players tend to be European. Surely it’s bias and not players wanting to reward Dame for his stellar play and veteran status.

probably not..we have seen it before