Mavs get Porzingis

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I mean watch for KP. He:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzzCtxVxRKA

1) begs for the ball
2) Looks unhappy and holds up a couple of fingers
3) Walks away
4) Never once congratulates Doncic

oh well, thats kind of important. Like I said, I could see KP being resentful hes not getting the same love as Luka. Had a different idea of how things would go in Dallas etc

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I mean watch for KP. He:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzzCtxVxRKA

1) begs for the ball
2) Looks unhappy and holds up a couple of fingers
3) Walks away
4) Never once congratulates Doncic

I noticed this too and thought it spoke volumes. Could be reading too much into this, but given his attitude/ his comments on 'moving' the ball when Luka is out I think it's pretty clear he wants that star status.

[EricaLubarsky]

I'd just love to have a good game from KP against the Knicks.

Averaging only 14pts, 8reb on 35% from the field and 18% from three

[EricaLubarsky]

I'd just love to have a good game from KP against the Knicks.

Averaging only 14pts, 8reb on 35% from the field and 18% from three

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I mean watch for KP. He:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzzCtxVxRKA

1) begs for the ball
2) Looks unhappy and holds up a couple of fingers
3) Walks away
4) Never once congratulates Doncic

Its a huge stretch to see any begging for the ball. I don't even see him looking unhappy. I mean he walked toward the group but then stops as they're coming back toward him. You can see him with the rest of the team on the sideline laughing with teammates at the very end. Who knows what happened between then because the replays were shown instead of the whole celebration.

[dirt_dobber]

from - Dalton Trigg@dalton_trigg
KP is averaging 20.8 PPG, 9.4 RPG & 1.6 BPG while shooting 47.9 FG% & 36.6 3P%.
Here’s the full list of guys averaging at least 20pts/9reb/1blk with those shooting percentages this season (via @Stathead)
Joel Embiid
Karl-Anthony Towns
Christian Wood
Kristaps Porzingis

[MFFL]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I'd just love to have a good game from KP against the Knicks.

Averaging only 14pts, 8reb on 35% from the field and 18% from three

Well KP had a good game. But the Knicks just have our number for some reason

[Jack.Kerr]

Originally Posted by MFFL

Well KP had a good game. But the Knicks just have our number for some reason

Could be something to do with coaching. Amazing the difference in the Knicks under Fizdale and Thibs, with basically the same personnel.

Under Fizdale, Knicks always looked disorganized, unprepared, undisciplined, and clueless.

Thibodeau has them focused, motivated, and confident; he is getting more out of the team than the sum of its parts. Knicks don't have a single player anywhere near the talent of a Porzingis or even a Doncic.

But Julius Randle has done a 180 under Thibodeau. Imagine a coach tailoring a system to the personnel, instead of hindering his best player's development by stubbornly clinging to a 'system' that doesn't play to the talent's strengths.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

Could be something to do with coaching. Amazing the difference in the Knicks under Fizdale and Thibs, with basically the same personnel.

Under Fizdale, Knicks always looked disorganized, unprepared, undisciplined, and clueless.

Thibodeau has them focused, motivated, and confident; he is getting more out of the team than the sum of its parts. Knicks don't have a single player anywhere near the talent of a Porzingis or even a Doncic.

But Julius Randle has done a 180 under Thibodeau. Imagine a coach tailoring a system to the personnel, instead of hindering his best player's development by stubbornly clinging to a 'system' that doesn't play to the talent's strengths.

Been a long time sense someone has stated that fact.

Some fans think if you criticize the HC or the system it means your hater or not loyal.

Seems like more coaching was done with Kidd, Dirk & Terry on the roster. Yes they were vets but I remember clearly a lot more two man sets designed late in games to get Dirk and Terry involved in set plays.

Elbow Isolation for Dirk to either go one on one and if double team came it was easier for him to read the defense.

Zone defenses used to throw teams off balance on offense especially when the Mavs were at disadvantage.

Now days we just run out lineups with Brunson, Redick, THJ and Powell all on the floor together to start 4th QTR's knowing damn well Redick can't R.J. Barrett and Powell can't rim protect by himself but we still go 5 Minutes of man defense and allow a team like the Knicks to open up a 12 point lead before Luka even checks back into the game.

It's shit like that that makes me despise a coach by many too be considered elite yet when you see specific lineups being thrown on the floor knowing they give you no shot in hell at getting stops vs a team playing bigger it makes you scratch your head.

You got a talent like Luka who basically unstoppable on post up's vs smaller guys yet you don't make that a consistent part of your offense late in games.

You have a 7'3 big who can excel in a PNR set with your talented 6'8 PG yet you very rarely utilize set late in games to punish teams.

You take a guy like DFS and isolate him coverage every game vs the opposing teams top threat and 90% of the time you don't get the results you want defensively late in games and yet you keep using the same strategy.

No one wants the Coach we just one the coach to start making some damn adjustments based on his teams strength's and weaknesses that put them in the best position to win games.

Your team got punched in the mouth twice by a poor Houston team half a roster and you literally got coached by S.Silas in both games because you refuse to make in game adjustments just like you refused to double D.DeRozan in a game where he destroyed you for an entire 2nd half.

[spreedom]

Porzingis sucks. Ship his ass out if you can get anything remotely resembling positive value for him. Problem is, at his salary you probably can't.

[Jack.Kerr]

Originally Posted by spreedom

Porzingis sucks. Ship his ass out if you can get anything remotely resembling positive value for him. Problem is, at his salary you probably can't.

Wouldn't it make more sense to find some sucker GM to trade quality players and draft picks for Doncic (with Hardaway and Powell for salary), so that the Mavs could build a more versatile, balanced team around the Sucky Unicorn? A team that actually defends, and isn't reliant on hitting 50% of its 3-pt shots for success?

Better act fast. A player like Doncic will be bolting for one of the coasts at first chance, the better to burnish and pimp his own personal brand in the media spotlight.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

Wouldn't it make more sense to find some sucker GM to trade quality players and draft picks for Doncic (with Hardaway and Powell for salary), so that the Mavs could build a more versatile, balanced team around the Sucky Unicorn? A team that actually defends, and isn't reliant on hitting 50% of its 3-pt shots for success?

Better act fast. A player like Doncic will be bolting for one of the coasts at first chance, the better to burnish and pimp his own personal brand in the media spotlight.

Yes trade the generational talent and best player in the world under 25 because you might have a deficient stale coach and a FO that clearly whiffed on FA acquisitions and the 18th pick in the draft this year. Oh by the way if you look at the analytics Luka is also the best defender this year. Not that he hasn't had his moments but if not for Luka this would be a team not even contending for the play in. Good plan Jack

[Jack.Kerr]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Yes trade the generational talent and best player in the world under 25 because you might have a deficient stale coach and a FO that clearly whiffed on FA acquisitions and the 18th pick in the draft this year. Oh by the way if you look at the analytics Luka is also the best defender this year. Not that he hasn't had his moments but if not for Luka this would be a team not even contending for the play in. Good plan Jack

People keep tossing about this phrase 'generational talent'. But I do not think it means what they think it means.

The only thing Doncic is generating is stats. For himself.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by spreedom

Porzingis sucks. Ship his ass out if you can get anything remotely resembling positive value for him. Problem is, at his salary you probably can't.

Does he really suck or is he being under utilized.

I personally think the Mavs 5 out system is hindering KP and not taking full advantage of his skill set.

The Mavs should have put a physical big man next to KP much like the Lakers have done with AD since he arrived.

They don't utilize KP and Luka in a two man game at all and to me that speaks volumes about the coaching.

That tandem should have had the same playbook that was built around Nash/Dirk or Terry/Dirk

Not this junk 5 out offense that has KP standing somewhere camped out all game behind the 3 point line waiting for his turn to get a shot up.

[FollowedKPtodallas]

Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

People keep tossing about this phrase 'generational talent'. But I do not think it means what they think it means.

The only thing Doncic is generating is stats. For himself.

LOL come on. Doncic makes players around him better. Why do you think so many have wide open 3s? There man decides not to guard them? No they r all pinching down on Luka. And Luka has some of the best court vision and feel in the league.

Since this is the KP thread I just need to say something........his defense is shocking right now...I know it was bad early but I thought he had a 10-15 games stretch that was decent. But now I can't imagine it being any worse. It really is sad. His first 2 years his advanced defensive numbers were amazing...but at 7'3" and having those injuries. He's just a shell of himself on that end of the court. And I LOVE the guy. My screen name says it all. Mavs are gonna trade him this off season. Only way they don't is if he gets seriously hurt again and has no value.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by FollowedKPtodallas

LOL come on. Doncic makes players around him better. Why do you think so many have wide open 3s? There man decides not to guard them? No they r all pinching down on Luka. And Luka has some of the best court vision and feel in the league.

Since this is the KP thread I just need to say something........his defense is shocking right now...I know it was bad early but I thought he had a 10-15 games stretch that was decent. But now I can't imagine it being any worse. It really is sad. His first 2 years his advanced defensive numbers were amazing...but at 7'3" and having those injuries. He's just a shell of himself on that end of the court. And I LOVE the guy. My screen name says it all. Mavs are gonna trade him this off season. Only way they don't is if he gets seriously hurt again and has no value.

I highly doubt they trade him unless things are worse behind the scenes than it appears. He value is maybe a 1/4 of his contract.

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

People keep tossing about this phrase 'generational talent'. But I do not think it means what they think it means.

The only thing Doncic is generating is stats. For himself.

This is so bad and stupid

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

People keep tossing about this phrase 'generational talent'. But I do not think it means what they think it means.

The only thing Doncic is generating is stats. For himself.

So you're saying he has zero assists and no impact on +/-?

That's one opinion you can have.

[purplefrog]

Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

People keep tossing about this phrase 'generational talent'. But I do not think it means what they think it means.

The only thing Doncic is generating is stats. For himself.

Methinks you enjoy confrontation and argument.

Nuff said.

[D_D_D]

Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

People keep tossing about this phrase 'generational talent'. But I do not think it means what they think it means.

The only thing Doncic is generating is stats. For himself.

Wow man... Just LOL. Dude averages AROUND 28-8-9 AND HES 22 YRS OLD. He hasn't even hit his peak. He's still young. He lives for the MOMENT, and produces in those moments. I've literally bitched about him passing too much when he's in the paint with what I think is an open shot. He's unselfish. Detrimentally sometimes IMO. He's a born winner.

Not to put too much stock into this but.. . One sound bite on 103.3 FM they play alot is Mike Greenberg saying (paraphrasing) if you had to pick one player to start a franchise with, LUKA is the one.

He has a shitty supporting cast (IMO) and needs a new coach (also my opinion)

But dude lol, you either are not a Mavs fan, or you don't watch any games, or you are just inept when it comes to basketball. Sorry man.

[D_D_D]

Dun

[EricaLubarsky]

KP questionable for Saturday with a sprained ankle

[BPo001]

Double post

[BPo001]

I’d be surprised if he played. if he’s questionable at least it’s promising that the injury isn’t really bad, and is going to miss several weeks like LBJ.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by BPo001

I’d be surprised if he played. if he’s questionable at least it’s promising that the injury isn’t really bad, and is going to miss several weeks like LBJ.

“I am not certain whether an MRI will be in the offing,” Carlisle said. “Oftentimes, players will get diagnostic tests and it won’t be released to the media for HIPPA reasons, etc. Seeing him after the game, he didn’t seem to be feeling that bad, and he was in good spirits. My hope is it’s not a real bad situation.”

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

“I am not certain whether an MRI will be in the offing,” Carlisle said. “Oftentimes, players will get diagnostic tests and it won’t be released to the media for HIPPA reasons, etc. Seeing him after the game, he didn’t seem to be feeling that bad, and he was in good spirits. My hope is it’s not a real bad situation.”

Yep. I think he’s fine. No doubtful or out tag means that it’s probably not serious. The good news is that his knee is in a place that they played him in a back to back.

[SMC0007]

If I had to bet, he plays

[EricaLubarsky]

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2021/4...o-with-offense

Y’all blaming Rick for bad defense. Seems like Rick is doing the best he can to hide KP’s deficiencies and teams just figure it out.

When we don’t have KP or Boban, our defense has actually been decent

KP on the floor we allow 118 points per 100 possessions
KP off the floor we allow 111.4 points per 100

[EricaLubarsky]

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2021/4...o-with-offense

Y’all blaming Rick for bad defense. Seems like Rick is doing the best he can to hide KP’s deficiencies and teams just figure it out.

When we don’t have KP or Boban, our defense has actually been decent

KP on the floor we allow 118 points per 100 possessions
KP off the floor we allow 111.4 points per 100

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2021/4...o-with-offense

Y’all blaming Rick for bad defense. Seems like Rick is doing the best he can to hide KP’s deficiencies and teams just figure it out.

When we don’t have KP or Boban, our defense has actually been decent

KP on the floor we allow 118 points per 100 possessions
KP off the floor we allow 111.4 points per 100

I see what you did here

The article mentions both Luka and KP as being the issue.

Also it questions RC's decision making as to the type of defensive schemes and coverages they use along with putting DFS on certain players.

So yes you can blame it on KP but Luka and RC aren't without flaws themselves.

And TBH with you if I believe if a more defensive minded guy was at the controls of this team like a Thibs for example the Mavs would have figured out something by now like play WCS at Center with KP at PF more often.

Size inside allows for better rim protection and more aggressive perimeter defense in terms of closing out on shooters.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

I see what you did here

The article mentions both Luka and KP as being the issue.

Also it questions RC's decision making as to the type of defensive schemes and coverages they use along with putting DFS on certain players.

So yes you can blame it on KP but Luka and RC aren't without flaws themselves.

And TBH with you if I believe if a more defensive minded guy was at the controls of this team like a Thibs for example the Mavs would have figured out something by now like play WCS at Center with KP at PF more often.

Size inside allows for better rim protection and more aggressive perimeter defense in terms of closing out on shooters.

If Thibs had control of this team KP would already be broken down like D Rose and we'd be paying a 5yr max to a guy in a suit on the bench.

There was no hidden subterfuge by EL... the article literally says(like we needed to read it though to know what our eyes see) -

These are perplexing numbers. Why can the Mavericks only play good defense with one of their stars on the floor, but not when they are on the floor together?

The first reason is Porzingis's regression on defense this season. Porzingis has been a plus defender for each of his first four seasons in the league. Because of his size and rim protection, opponents shot fewer shots at the rim and made them at a much lower clip when Porzingis was on the floor. This season, because of limited mobility and the league’s evolution towards more shooting, more space, and faster pace, Porzingis has become a negative defender.

Nobody is under the illusion that Luka is a plus defender. It's expected we have to hide him givin his athletic limitations. The real change is the expectations KP will continue being a plus defender which he is not currently.

It also doesn't question RC it questions being able to find schemes where both are successful.

There isn’t a defensive scheme that fits both Doncic and Porzingis well.

Coach Rick Carlisle can’t afford to scheme for covering both of his stars on defense.

[BigDog63]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Nobody is under the illusion that Luka is a plus defender. It's expected we have to hide him givin his athletic limitations.

Athletic limitations? Perpetuation of a myth before he was drafted. He, very much like Harden, has ELITE ability to stop and start, and move laterally. Those are just as valuable on defense as they are on offense. If you can stop on a dime...you avoid fouls, and getting crossed up. Lateral ability should be self explanatory.

Harden has likewise been criticized for his defense. Also, likewise, I would say its more effort and focus, than athletic ability. Pretty much anybody who can create their own shot is athletically very capable of playing good defense---they're the same set of skills.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by BigDog63

Athletic limitations? Perpetuation of a myth before he was drafted. He, very much like Harden, has ELITE ability to stop and start, and move laterally. Those are just as valuable on defense as they are on offense. If you can stop on a dime...you avoid fouls, and getting crossed up. Lateral ability should be self explanatory.

Harden has likewise been criticized for his defense. Also, likewise, I would say its more effort and focus, than athletic ability. Pretty much anybody who can create their own shot is athletically very capable of playing good defense---they're the same set of skills.

His problem, like the article says, he can't fight over screens. I attribute it to athleticism. You can attribute it to something else. I've seen him give lots of effort in one on one face up and post defense and he runs hard at shooters(when he doesn't lose them ball watching) but there is no fix to me for his pnr defense since it is primarily his inability to fight over screens IMO.

Edit-
To clarify the article in question is literally titled - "The long term fit of Luka Doncic and Kristaps Porzingis has nothing to do with offense - The other side of the ball is the real factor in determining the success of the Dallas star duo" Nobody is saying Luka is blameless(and neither am I for that matter) but if the two aren't working then KP doesn't work in this duo.

[EricaLubarsky]

I dont know if he lost some athleticism when he was injured. Many players who survive injuries like that come back at 80-90% of their prior explosiveness and that's enough to

I don't know if it's effort. Dude does seem to check out and play at half intensity at times. He does seem like Dampier out there insofar as if he's not getting involved offensively, he slacks on the defensive end

It also could be that KP is just 7'3" and he's constantly getting exposed to guards and 6'9" mobile forwards who are just faster, stronger, and more agile than he is. The new NBA trend is to have forwards that can move like guards. Giannis isn't the only one. Durant, Randle, Collins, Tatum, Morris, Porter Jr, Gordon, Davis, Zion, etc are all too fast or athletic for KP.

[EricaLubarsky]

I dont know if he lost some athleticism when he was injured. Many players who survive injuries like that come back at 80-90% of their prior explosiveness.

I don't know if it's effort. Dude does seem to check out and play at half intensity at times. He does seem like Dampier out there insofar as if he's not getting involved offensively, he slacks on the defensive end

It also could be that KP is just 7'3" and he's constantly getting exposed to guards and 6'9" mobile forwards who are just faster, stronger, and more agile than he is. The new NBA trend is to have forwards that can move like guards. Giannis isn't the only one. Durant, Randle, Collins, Tatum, Morris, Porter Jr, Gordon, Davis, etc are all too fast for KP.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I dont know if he lost some athleticism when he was injured. Many players who survive injuries like that come back at 80-90% of their prior explosiveness.

I don't know if it's effort. Dude does seem to check out and play at half intensity at times. He does seem like Dampier out there insofar as if he's not getting involved offensively, he slacks on the defensive end

It also could be that KP is just 7'3" and he's constantly getting exposed to guards and 6'9" mobile forwards who are just faster, stronger, and more agile than he is. The new NBA trend is to have forwards that can move like guards. Giannis isn't the only one. Durant, Randle, Collins, Tatum, Morris, Porter Jr, Gordon, Davis, etc are all too fast for KP.

While true, he still has room to do a better job anticipating and with his positioning. He should still be able to recover more often than he does with his length. I'm convinced that he could be much better defensively.

[Jack.Kerr]

Porzingis Sucking on Defense

#clank-clank

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

Porzingis Sucking on Defense

#clank-clank

The good old days are gone.

[Unicorn]

Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

Porzingis Sucking on Defense

#clank-clank

I believe he is saving himself for a playoffs

[Jack.Kerr]

Was Luka holding Timmy back? Looks like Luka finally found a way to make one of his teammates better. Good job!


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#winwinwin