Official trade watch 2020-2021 - Page 6 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

DannyFortsonBakedPotato · 01-19-2022, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoobay

Uh if you can’t be the primary offensive weapon in Detroit
Where exactly can you go to be the primary?
Back to college? G league? ROFL

The thing is, Grant shouldn't be a first option. He's a fantastic 3rd/4th option. But no one is paying that much for a 3rd/4th option.

tap2390 · 01-19-2022, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Jerami Grant apparently wants a 4/112 extension and to be the primary offensive weapon on any team that trades for him.

Don't you love when players make demands on 10 win teams? Darling.

Where’d you see this?

BPo001 · 01-19-2022, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tap2390

Where’d you see this?

Sources say Grant expects to sign a lucrative extension in the ballpark of four years, $112 million this offseason. 8 hours ago – via Jake Fischer @ Bleacher Report

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-19-2022, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tap2390

Where’d you see this?

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/st...90237808992257

mac222b · 01-19-2022, 03:40 PM

I love Jerami Grant’s versatility, especially defensively, but as someone else said he should be a 3rd or 4th option on a winning team. He’s not that efficient and he’s not consistent as a 3 point shooter.

It seems like a lot of money but its the going rate for guys in the Aaron Gordon, Jerami Grant, Tobias Harris tier. It’s why locking up Dorian at 13m or so is so important this summer. It would be really hard to replace him. And also why we need to continue to develop Josh Green.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-21-2022, 08:46 PM

Trading Brunson right now makes little sense, but I still hope they are open with DFS. We basically already have a version of him in Bullock for two more seasons after this.

I love that we are number one on D, but I'd trade a little bit of that for another scorer if possible.

Dallas41 · 01-21-2022, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Trading Brunson right now makes little sense, but I still hope they are open with DFS. We basically already have a version of him in Bullock for two more seasons after this.

I love that we are number one on D, but I'd trade a little bit of that for another scorer if possible.

There's not a single other player on this roster Bullock included who offers the defensive versatility of DFS.

In fact I'm willing to bet this team defensively would take a significant hit on that end of the floor if you move him unless Josh Green somehow fills that void.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-21-2022, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dallas41

There's not a single other player on this roster Bullock included who offers the defensive versatility of DFS.

In fact I'm willing to bet this team defensively would take a significant hit on that end of the floor if you move him unless Josh Green somehow fills that void.

Your logic is why this team never improves. You trade from a position of strength...not weakness. And the fact still remains that we can cover up on defense. The shooting, OTOH, isn't showing signs of improvement. And I still haven't seen or heard a good solution to keeping both JB and DFS this summer.

Nobody wants THJ. The idea that we improve by giving other teams our garbage is hilariously misguided.

saclare · 01-22-2022, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dallas41

There's not a single other player on this roster Bullock included who offers the defensive versatility of DFS.

In fact I'm willing to bet this team defensively would take a significant hit on that end of the floor if you move him unless Josh Green somehow fills that void.

Green will fill that void, unless they don't think he's ready. Only real reason you would trade DFS.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-22-2022, 12:26 AM

Does anyone think we are serious contenders? It's a good question as I don't think we are. I'm ecstatic over our D, but it won't matter if those threes don't start falling. And if they haven't by now, then I'm not sure they ever will.

The entire season banks on them eventually going in at a greater rate.

EricaLubarsky · 01-22-2022, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Does anyone think we are serious contenders? It's a good question as I don't think we are. I'm ecstatic over our D, but it won't matter if those threes don't start falling. And if they haven't by now, then I'm not sure they ever will.

The entire season banks on them eventually going in at a greater rate.

Championship? No
WCF? No
HCA and playoff series win? Yes

mac222b · 01-22-2022, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Does anyone think we are serious contenders? It's a good question as I don't think we are. I'm ecstatic over our D, but it won't matter if those threes don't start falling. And if they haven't by now, then I'm not sure they ever will.

The entire season banks on them eventually going in at a greater rate.

I think we are at least a couple moves away from being legit title contenders. Not in the class of Milwaukee, Brooklyn, Miami, GSW, Phoenix and maybe Utah and Philly depending on whether they make any trades.

Once we can trade our picks again we can make the all-in push for another star, hopefully. I think we need another creator— obviously Dame or Beal would be ideal but unlikely. And another big body wing that can guard in space and space the floor.

saclare · 01-22-2022, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Championship? No
WCF? No
HCA and playoff series win? Yes

I'd be OK with a series win and being competitive. Young guys need at least a taste and the core needs to be attractive to trade targets and free agents, even the smaller dollar role players. Of course, I'd love to win more than one, but being realistic, that may be this team's ceiling.

SMC0007 · 01-22-2022, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Does anyone think we are serious contenders? It's a good question as I don't think we are. I'm ecstatic over our D, but it won't matter if those threes don't start falling. And if they haven't by now, then I'm not sure they ever will.

The entire season banks on them eventually going in at a greater rate.

Of course we aren't contenders. No way. Love my team but we just aren't. Maybe win a series against the right opponent in 1st round.

I'm not banking on our 3s to somehow start falling. Though there's a better chance of that than the 3ppt shooters (Bullock, THJ,Brown etc) handling the ball and driving to the lane.

I think eventually DFS has to be the one who goes to make room for Green to grow and I think Green is going to be way better.

If we have a deal that makes us better for dfs then get er done. Green isn't that far away from being as good defensively. He just needs lots of mins. Dfs was thrust into a lot of mins years back and he slowly grew into a solid contributor.

tap2390 · 01-22-2022, 02:52 PM

I 100% offer the Knicks Brunson & DFS for Barrett.

SMC0007 · 01-22-2022, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tap2390

I 100% offer the Knicks Brunson & DFS for Barrett.

You'd regret that

Dallas41 · 01-22-2022, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tap2390

I 100% offer the Knicks Brunson & DFS for Barrett.

Mavs lose that trade because Brunson is better than Barrett

Then your giving them DFS on top of that which makes it a Knicks fleecing

They would have to include Mitchell Robinson

Dallas41 · 01-22-2022, 10:42 PM

Who say's no Mavs or Celtics

https://heavy.com/sports/boston-celt...son-porzingis/

Boston Celtics receive:
Jalen Brunson
Kristaps Porzingis
two second-round picks

Dallas Mavericks receive:
Jaylen Brown
Dennis Schroder

I personally say no because that leaves Dallas without a center and thought of D.Powell starting the rest of the season would be maddening

FreshJive · 01-22-2022, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dallas41

There's not a single other player on this roster Bullock included who offers the defensive versatility of DFS.

For real. The Mavs finally have a legit defense, and fans can’t wait to trade the engine for that defense.

FreshJive · 01-22-2022, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Does anyone think we are serious contenders? It's a good question as I don't think we are. I'm ecstatic over our D, but it won't matter if those threes don't start falling. And if they haven't by now, then I'm not sure they ever will.

The entire season banks on them eventually going in at a greater rate.

Why wouldn’t we expect the threes to start falling? Everyone is shooting below their norms. Are we blaming Kidd’s offense? They seem to be getting good looks.

DannyFortsonBakedPotato · 01-23-2022, 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SMC0007

You'd regret that

It's a tough one. Barrett has a much higher ceiling, and is a lottery pick on his third season who has shown real flashes of being a fringe all-star caliber two-way wing. Coupled with the fact that we can't pay DFS and Brunon, and it's pretty appealing. I'm not sure how much better Brunson can get, but I'm pretty confident Barrett can get a lot better.

On the flip side, Barrett is very inconsistent. Brunson is light years more efficient. But if Barrett pans out, he fits really well next to Luka, as he has good size, and a combo of three-point shooting, creation, and defense. Something like current Wiggins, which would be great with Luka.

saclare · 01-23-2022, 04:07 PM

Terrence Ross is probably available. If you have to deal DFS to improve the roster, Ross wouldn't be a bad shore up for defense and would probably cost only a 2nd rounder or two. Downside is you would want to give minutes to Green, but Ross could at least serve as insurance.

Dallas41 · 01-23-2022, 10:57 PM

https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/new...umors-deadline

The Dallas Mavericks have forged their way into 'stealth' contender status this season thanks in large part to the night-and-day difference they've had in their defense from this year compared to the last couple of years. However, Dallas still needs to make some upgrades to its current roster around superstar Luka Doncic if it wants to end a decade-long drought of not being able to win a playoff series.

On the podcast, Gozlan also explores a possible Brunson trade to the New York Knicks that gets the Mavs their 2023 pick back and possibly Mitchell Robinson.

BPo001 · 01-23-2022, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dallas41

https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/new...umors-deadline

The Dallas Mavericks have forged their way into 'stealth' contender status this season thanks in large part to the night-and-day difference they've had in their defense from this year compared to the last couple of years. However, Dallas still needs to make some upgrades to its current roster around superstar Luka Doncic if it wants to end a decade-long drought of not being able to win a playoff series.

On the podcast, Gozlan also explores a possible Brunson trade to the New York Knicks that gets the Mavs their 2023 pick back and possibly Mitchell Robinson.

I hate the idea of trading Brunson for anything less than a star caliber player, but this could make sense if there was a star player available. Could Beal be had for a couple of firsts?

SMC0007 · 01-24-2022, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dallas41

https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/new...umors-deadline

The Dallas Mavericks have forged their way into 'stealth' contender status this season thanks in large part to the night-and-day difference they've had in their defense from this year compared to the last couple of years. However, Dallas still needs to make some upgrades to its current roster around superstar Luka Doncic if it wants to end a decade-long drought of not being able to win a playoff series.

On the podcast, Gozlan also explores a possible Brunson trade to the New York Knicks that gets the Mavs their 2023 pick back and possibly Mitchell Robinson.

So we forged our way to "stealth contender" status. But if we want to make it out of the 1st round we need to upgrade the roster.

What a fantastic piece. :/

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-24-2022, 11:01 AM

Hard pass on Robinson and a pick for Brunson. We need scoring.

tap2390 · 01-24-2022, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Hard pass on Robinson and a pick for Brunson. We need scoring.

agree, that's just a garbage trade....

FreshJive · 01-24-2022, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Hard pass on Robinson and a pick for Brunson. We need scoring.

I think the idea is if you have something lined up for the firsts it frees up. I’m starting to worry they are going to f this up.

Dallas41 · 01-24-2022, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreshJive

I think the idea is if you have something lined up for the firsts it frees up. I’m starting to worry they are going to f this up.

Brunson has impressed me this year and I was one his biggest critics coming into the season.

But he seems to no longer have tunnel vision and is passing a lot more under Kidd.

Having said that if the mavs don't think they can resign him then getting a 1st round pick for him isn't such a bad thing unless of course people think the mavs would just piss that pick away like they've done several times before with bad draft picks.

Melonhead · 01-24-2022, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Who say's no Mavs or Celtics

https://heavy.com/sports/boston-celt...son-porzingis/

Boston Celtics receive:
Jalen Brunson
Kristaps Porzingis
two second-round picks

Dallas Mavericks receive:
Jaylen Brown
Dennis Schroder

I personally say no because that leaves Dallas without a center and thought of D.Powell starting the rest of the season would be maddening

That’s insanely horrible. Who tf came up with that

Melonhead · 01-24-2022, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Brunson has impressed me this year and I was one his biggest critics coming into the season.

But he seems to no longer have tunnel vision and is passing a lot more under Kidd.

Having said that if the mavs don't think they can resign him then getting a 1st round pick for him isn't such a bad thing unless of course people think the mavs would just piss that pick away like they've done several times before with bad draft picks.

As mentioned many times, why would any team trade anything substantial for him when they can wait til summer and potentially get him without giving up assets

FreshJive · 01-24-2022, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Brunson has impressed me this year and I was one his biggest critics coming into the season.

But he seems to no longer have tunnel vision and is passing a lot more under Kidd.

Having said that if the mavs don't think they can resign him then getting a 1st round pick for him isn't such a bad thing unless of course people think the mavs would just piss that pick away like they've done several times before with bad draft picks.

The pick would be used for trading in this scenario. It’s a terrible trade if they are just planning on drafting with it.

FreshJive · 01-24-2022, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Melonhead

As mentioned many times, why would any team trade anything substantial for him when they can wait til summer and potentially get him without giving up assets

Brunson has no trade value is not an opinion I’ve seen anywhere.

SMC0007 · 01-24-2022, 10:23 PM

Brunson sNt

Melonhead · 01-25-2022, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreshJive

Brunson has no trade value is not an opinion I’ve seen anywhere.

Well that’s probably because I didn’t say that at all.

spreedom · 01-25-2022, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Melonhead

As mentioned many times, why would any team trade anything substantial for him when they can wait til summer and potentially get him without giving up assets

Pistons, Magic, Spurs and Grizzlies are the only teams currently projected to have at least $15M in cap space this summer.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-25-2022, 11:52 AM

I dunno who Eric Pincus is, but he linked us to Jerami Grant, John Collins, and Marcus smart. Lol, k. Said we would package Powell/DFS for Grant. I mean, I do that trade, but I don't really see much validity in it. Typical Mavs linked to every player in the league stuff.

I guess the only difference is we now have some assets to make a trade.

Melonhead · 01-25-2022, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spreedom

Pistons, Magic, Spurs and Grizzlies are the only teams currently projected to have at least $15M in cap space this summer.

Teams can always create room if a player is really wanted. Only the mavs operate on plan powder.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-25-2022, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Teams can always create room if a player is really wanted. Only the mavs operate on plan powder.

Bingo.

BPo001 · 01-25-2022, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I dunno who Eric Pincus is, but he linked us to Jerami Grant, John Collins, and Marcus smart. Lol, k. Said we would package Powell/DFS for Grant. I mean, I do that trade, but I don't really see much validity in it. Typical Mavs linked to every player in the league stuff.

I guess the only difference is we now have some assets to make a trade.

Detroit’s Jerami Grant is said to be Utah’s most preferred target in that quest, but it’s believed that the Pistons have no interest in a trade package headlined by Ingles’ expiring $13 million contract packaged with a future first-round pick. 1 day ago – via Marc Stein

This seems like a better deal than Powell/DFS to me? Apparently Grant has provided Detroit with a list of teams he wants to go to. Sounds like he wants to be a main offensive guy and is looking for $100 million contract. Not sure he’s that good is he?