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Well so. Alot of people could dunk with 3 more inches including me but that doesn't make us high flyers. 3 inches may matter when you are barely touching net but when your 6-6 6-7 and can get the elbow above the rim, not that much of a difference.
Basically my point is kinda that jho isn't vc kobe or lebron but he can GET UP with ease and i think the style of ball they have had there and a coach that seems to dislike fancy,flashy,risky play, it is dicouraging for him. There would be an earfull from avery.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3Y56e2NtN0 Some of that is highflyin! |
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Every inch counts. Plus, a vertical is measurement of a player's feet from the ground from a standstill jump.
Factor in the two inches of height Marion has over Howard (6-7 as opposed to 6-5) and the way a vertical is magnified with the force from a running jump. You have to be kidding me if you think Howard can throw it down like the Matrix does...with practice. lol.
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bah, now ur just trying to be a. "and the way a vertical is magnified with the force from a running jump" come on. Im not trying to get scientific, and I just said that he isn't an A tier dunker like bron vc or kobe. So the centrifical vertices divided by the power thrusted forth by the dynamic of the anomalie extracted from the running jump just goes to show that the "Matrix" is the best ever, I guess. You win. now u can... lol
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Josh Howard cannot jump anywhere near Marion can, let's be honest here...
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Where the hell did the 3 inches statistic come from anyways?........
A ruler and the TV screen?
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Pfft. YEah I used a ruler against the T.V.! No I used your awsome scientific method. If you look around you can find some info on it. Eh im not as sensitive as you are bent out of shape that someone doesn't like Marion and his ugly shot as much as you! Thats where this started isn't it?  http://www.nbawire.com/boards/showthread.php?t=15941 |
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What did I say that was so bad? I definitely didn't throw out some cop-out name calling like some people in this thread... It's ridiculous to hate a player for his shooting form, if what you really want is for the ball to go into the basket. Is it so wrong of me to like Marion over Howard, when he shoots at a higher percentage than Howard with his "ugly" form? Marion FG% 07-08: .508 Marion Career FG%: .481 Howard FG% 07-08: .455 Howard Career FG%: .459 You can take your pretty-boy shooting form anyday, and I'll take the results.
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Ok if your refering to me about name calling, after you lol'd my opinion after arguing 4 or 5 posts about vert I then said You were trying to be.... because you seemed like you were trying to strong arm your opinions.
You didnt really say anything bad, it's just that your remarks are disrespectful like your calling out something because what u think is superior. I said a few times that Howard wasn't the best dunker and didnt say ever he could dunk like MArion. But it didn't matter; someone disagreed with You gotta set em straight. I don't think its any more wrong for you to like Marion for whatever reason, as it is for me to not like him. Goes both ways. Is it really rediculous to not like someones shooting form? Sure i want the ball to go in the basket, but lets add these stats too. MArion: 3pt% .258 (miami) and .300 total Howard: 3pt% .320 MArion : FT% .70 Howard : FT% .81 Marion : PPG 14.5 Howard : PPG 20 I never said Howard had pretty boy form! And i'll take the results too. No hard feelings. |
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Im just loooking back and don't see anywhere that I personally said anything about a pretty shot or anyone good shooting. Just that Marions shot makes me ill, *regardless of the effectiveness. It amazes me that it goes in as much as it does. For the record, I think Larry birds shot is nice tho. |
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K pal. NOWHERE NEAR??? Im not even a Jho fan really but, nowhere near? If you say so
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 Like I said, Marion is the superior player when being compared to our beloved, Josh Howard. However, Josh does have his advantages over Marion: 1. Josh comes cheaper 2. Josh is two years younger and 3. He can hook you up with the best deals on weed. Other than that, Marion trumps him in fast break offense, half court offense (when playing the secondary role), offensive rebounding, defensive rebounding, team defense, man to man defense, and athleticsm. Both of their ball handling skills are suspect at best. Basketball IQ are both average, closer to below average. At worst, this trade would be considered a lateral one and at best, it would increase the team by 3-6 wins. Couple that with Carlisle's 3-6 win increase, you have a 6-12 win increase in the regular season and a second round loss in the playoffs IMHO.
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Why would Marion want to come to Dallas and play fiddle #3 again?
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Im not as interested that EVERYONE agree with all my posts/opinions as you. But you have continually implied things as IF I have said them. Why you should not strong arm your opinions is obvious, its disrespectful in the manor you do it. You took 6 of my quotes so obviously this bothers you, that is not my original intentions. Im new on here but that don't mean you can bully what I think. I imagine we could twist stats all day long to fit each others argument but Im begening to feel even more of a tool than if I just let u bash my posts and didn't reply at all. I was getting my info from nba.com http://www.nba.com/playerfile/shawn_...eer_stats.html *Looks to me like in the 47games for phx he shot .347% and for 16games in miami he shot .258% from 3PT. I think that= .3025%. (I may be missing something somewhere, if i am oops) *His FT% has basically spiraled downhill since his peak at 04-05 season where he was @ .851. I guess points matter because I say so. nah but I think that shows his contribution to the team. Andres Biedrins led the league this year in FG%, does that mean he could led his team or the league in scoring if he shot more? no. How many times last year or any year did you say man Howard is jacking up sooo many shots to get his points? NOne most likely. Its all relative. IF I am wrong on any of my stats then I can say oh my bad and admit it but everything else is just ..what i think.. |
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MAy have been referring to Kidd..But I agree Dirk is the only one and doesnt need all that many attempts to get his. Marion would be a 2nd option, or 1b...
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My point is that this is a forum. Debates happen. There's no reason to call somebody a d_____ just because they disagree with you. So don't even try to play the "disrespectful" card with me. I know you're new, but you gain respect by giving it. And yes, I watched atleast 70% of the Mavs games this season, and there were many times that I said to myself, "Gosh, Josh is throwing up a lot of sh*t right now!" Not sure how much you watched the Mavs if you didn't even think that once. Marion shot .333 from 3pt land for the '07-'08 season. Get it straight. You don't take his two percentages that were of a totally different time span and simply average the two together (and yes, that is what you did). You're supposed to take his total makes in 07-08 as a fraction of his total shot attempts. I don't know how you can get it wrong, considering they give you his season average including his time with both teams as a Total on NBA.com anyways.......
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You know the reason I SAID you were ACTING like one!! Im not mustering anything out. You were being one in the way you were ACTING. I can tell you the truth about you being disrespectful because its true. Im not playing a card, thats your job... Along with making stuff up and not paying attention to what ur arguing about. Its not about you disagreeing with me its about Me calling MArions shot ugly, you originally took offense to that. Then it snowballed to you attacking my posts.
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show me where i called you that? I said you were just trying to be one. Stop boohooing about that and telling the principal about minor things. IF it was THAT BAD the whole post would have been deleted. How does this...."Basically my point is kinda that jho isn't vc kobe or lebron but he can GET UP with ease"... call for this... "You have to be kidding me if you think Howard can throw it down like the Matrix does...with practice. lol." |
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Whoa whats with the name calling... Man thats kinda hurts my feelings a lil bit.. But Alby am I the only person on this forum you DON'T suck up to?
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