Diop Traded to Charlotte

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Rick41

I wish the mavs FO had half of half a brain.

So you don't like this trade?

[quietsavant]

Carroll= poor mans Mike Miller

Hollins= poor mans varejao

[quietsavant]

Exactly how much has this helped our Salary cap situation, in relation to 2010s market or even this off season. Anyone know?

[Rick41]

Originally Posted by dude1394

So you don't like this trade?

Yes i do, i'm talking about previous moves.

[chumdawg]

It's a damn good thing we had that roster spot open!!

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by quietsavant

Exactly how much has this helped our Salary cap situation, in relation to 2010s market or even this off season. Anyone know?

Read the thread.

[Bookit]

Originally Posted by Rick41

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsdYoap5FYM


Looks pretty decent, he has his moments.

It looks like he has the coodination of Calvin Boothe.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by quietsavant

Exactly how much has this helped our Salary cap situation, in relation to 2010s market or even this off season. Anyone know?

Diop would've been digging in for about 6 mil plus for a couple of year past 2010. Hollins is I think a very cheap rental for this year, contract might be up at the end of this year. Carroll's deal was front-loaded and he goes to 11/12 with a Player Option for 12/13. His cap hit gets less every single year.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

Diop couldn't do that.

Nope...he'd be afraid of hurting the rim.

[Rick41]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJo9fsblWKI


I like his aggression.



LOL @ the announcer, "What is Hollins doing?"

[MainEv3nt]

i hope hollins get some minutes.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Rick41

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsdYoap5FYM


Looks pretty decent, he has his moments.

Looks like that chris anderson dude in that he just loves to dunk it. I can see some very nice alleyoops however....

Diop never even attempted to go up and put it down like that dude.

Seems very atheletic for a big, not heavy enough and I didn't see a single block/outside shot in the bunch. ???

Anything beats bass in the fourth quarter however.

[bobatundi]

Carroll is due $4.3 in 2010, $3.9 in 2011, PO for $3.5 in 2012
Diop is due $6.5 in 2010, $6.9 in 2011, PO for $7.4 in 2012

So it's not a huge benefit in 2010, though $2.2MM could certainly matter; it is clearly a huge benefit over the life of the two contracts.

If that's all we get out of it, well, I guess Diop wasn't doing anything anyway. If either player ends up contributing for us, all the better. Would rather we'd gotten a contract that expired sooner, but given just how little Diop has contributed this year, and how ridiculous his contract now looks, I'd say we probably got reasonable value for him. Just wish it were Felton...

[vRookie]

Getting Felton in this trade would have been huge, but I guess Mavs aren't that lucky. Overall not a bad trade. At the very least, it will get the ball rolling in terms of trades and we will see some new faces here soon

[bobatundi]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Read the thread.

Or hoopshype.com, or google...

[dude1394]

So the first trade in the non-avery regime is...

We continue to get younger. I was expecting Matt Carroll to be about 34 years old. I'm happy about that.

[quietsavant]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Read the thread.

Im too lazy to Jthig much like when you dont do post game threads sometimes. haha.. anyways thanks for the offer buddy. Here is the answer to my question in case anyone else is interested

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/dallas.htm

[seelenjaeger]

Sad to see that the Mavs have built a history of making "good deals" when good deal qualifies getting rid of a horrible contract they signed in off season.

It´s like hitting a wall with the car you just bought, then convince the owner of the wall to buy your car for the initial prize while you keep the wall ...

Would have preferred Morrison over Carrol though.

[BGMaverick9]

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=1244

Diop Dumped, Carroll Coming?
We Make Sense Of A Percolating Mavs-Bobcats Trade
By Mike Fisher -- DB.com

It was at 2:38 p.m. Friday when Mavs GM Donnie Nelson gave me a wink and a fistbump and a “stay tuned’’ when I asked him about percolating rumors about a trade. It was about two hours later when the percolation bubbled over with word that DeSagana Diop was likely moving to Charlotte, as long rumored – but with the return something less than what Dallas had once planned on.

That’s the first (relatively inconsequential) shoe to drop. We believe – amid the winks and the fistbumps and the “stay tuneds’’ – there will be another shoe.

Let’s discuss the dollars and sense of it all:

*Frequent conversations between Mavericks and Bobcats that once might have netted Dallas combo-guard Raymond Felton will instead likely send to the Mavs shooting guard Matt Carroll and project center Ryan Hollins, according to an ESPN report.

What does it all mean?

*There is something else coming. Maybe not today. Maybe not until mid-February, before the NBA trade deadline. Maybe not with the Bobcats. But something. My one-on-one visit with Donnie (more on that in coming days) causes me to feel confident about management’s dissatisfaction with the Mavs as presently constructed.

*What happened to the Felton thing? DJ Augustin’s injury slowed it. Felton’s fine play for Charlotte in the last few days ended it.

*Is OKC still interested in working out a three-way that involves Earl Watson? I believe so. Jerry Stackhouse may be the bait there.

*Can Matt Carroll help? He’s had a couple of years when he was a 40-percent shooter from the arc, and especially with Josh Howard hurt, Dallas has devolved from being a jump-shooting team into being a jump-shooting team that, outside of Nowitzki and Terry, isn’t a very good jump-shooting team. The 6-6, 210-pound 28-year old will get a shot in a rotation that continues to have a need at the 2 spot.

*Will Ryan Hollins help? He’s a 7-footer and he’s only 24. As a backup center in Charlotte, he’s playing 10 minutes per and averaging 3.6 points and 2.0 rebounds. You know what? That’s actually more than ‘Gana’s been producing in Dallas. But no. … a third-year project is not the final answer for the Mavs’ needs in the middle.

All the more reason I believe there is another shoe to drop.

*In essence, this is a ‘Gana Diop salary dump of his Mid-Level-Exception signing. (And heck, it’s kind of a Matt Carroll salary dump, too; didn’t he eat up Charlotte’s MLE a couple of seasons ago?) It’s a dump of Diop to a Charlotte team that had summer designs on signing him before Dallas boomeranged him back here after forfeiting him in the Kidd-Devin deal.

Here’s the way we believe the involved salaried break down:

Carroll
2008/09 5mil
2010 4.7
2011 4.3
2012 3.9
2013 3.5(player option)

Hollins
2009 972,000

Diop
2009 5.6mil
2010 6.0
2011 6.5
2012 6.9
2013 7.4(player option)

I might argue that this trade is, really, an admission of a mistake. The Dallas organization really wanted ‘Gana back here, and that includes coach Rick Carlisle. (It also includes every guy in the Mavs locker room, all of whom consider Diop a lovable pal.) It didn’t work – so a shoe drops.

There are the winks and the fistbumps and the “stay tuneds.’’ There simply must be another dropping shoe.

529pm jan 16 2009

[MavsFanFinley]

Not that exciting but at least the Mavs were able to dump Diop's contract. I'll be sick if starts playing well again.

Hollins looks like he has some potential but anyone think he's going to put fear into any of the big men in the West?

[BGMaverick9]

Charlotte fans, yes there are some, seem to REALLY love this deal. They really think Larry Brown is going to find the button to push on Diop and bring him to his better days in Dallas and potentially even better. They are glad Felton wasn't involved and it frees up time for Morrison to sink or swim or use Wallace/Nazr for a SG or the best deal available. They aren't crying any tears to lose either guy.

As mentioned in the article...this is pretty much saying, "My bad!!!" on the Diop MLE signing.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by dude1394

So the first trade in the non-avery regime is...

We continue to get younger. I was expecting Matt Carroll to be about 34 years old. I'm happy about that.

Actually EJ for Shawne Williams was the first post-Avery trade.

[purplefrog]

Originally Posted by MavsFanFinley

Hollins looks like he has some potential but anyone think he's going to put fear into any of the big men in the West?

I think this is pretty scary,

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

Add Kaman and Michael Redd and we win the championship. :rolls eyes:

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Actually EJ for Shawne Williams was the first post-Avery trade.

I'd give that, at worst, a grade of a C.

[monty55555]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

before this trade was announced, someone at db.com posted that a source he has texted him that a trade went down today.

the same person also said this is not the only move the mavs are going to make.

I saw that. I believe that he made that thread (about this trade) literally a few minutes before the news came out in ESPN. He seems to know someone inside the organization. I only hope that he is also correct regarding the other moves the Mavs will make in the near future.

[jthig32]

I'm intrigued by all these claims that the Mavs are clearly not done. I mean that's common sense, but people have been adament that somethign else is up.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by jthig32

I'm intrigued by all these claims that the Mavs are clearly not done. I mean that's common sense, but people have been adament that somethign else is up.

D-George for 1996 Michael Jordan. You heard it here first.

[monty55555]

I am hoping that the athleticism of Hollins will compliment Kidd in the open court. Carroll hasn't been playing well this season but he has been a fairly reliable shooter in the past.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by monty55555

I saw that. I believe that he made that thread (about this trade) literally a few minutes before the news came out in ESPN. He seems to know someone inside the organization. I only hope that he is also correct regarding the other moves the Mavs will make in the near future.

Originally Posted by jthig32

I'm intrigued by all these claims that the Mavs are clearly not done. I mean that's common sense, but people have been adament that somethign else is up.

I have a feeling that something will happen, and that it'll be a pretty significant move. Based on what we've got left, I'd say:

Josh with/without Bass is getting dealt
or
Kidd is getting dealt

I'd say it's 80-20 in favor of Josh getting dealt.

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It just goes along the lines of that Stein note a few weeks ago that you mentioned jthig. They're pushing hard to make some deals and they realize this isn't going to work, as constructed.

[grndmstr_c]

Nothing to get excited about, but it's a pretty logical move. Trade a 7 footer who wasn't producing for another 7 footer who's at least not been any worse, and a three point shooter with legit shooting guard size. This team desperately needs some of those long range shots to start dropping, and Carroll has definitely shown the ability to shoot with range in the past.

Man I'm bummed Gana turned out to be such a waste, though. I was strongly behind the Mavs signing him in the offseason because of the impact he'd had for the team in the past as a defender. I wasn't expecting him to be much of a contributor on offense, so the paltry point totals weren't that big a deal relative to my expectations, but his virtually complete inability to change the game defensively this season was a downer and a surprise. Oh well, perhaps Hollins' athleticism will help him find a role on the team.

[BGMaverick9]

Hollins definitely has some piss and vinegar in him. You look around on youtube and you'll see him trash talk AI and throwing it down with some fierceness. For some reason, Diop was afraid to throw it down at the rim, that definitely is not an issue with Hollins if he gets on the court.

[mac222b]

If by not done they mean Stack for Earl Watson are we supposed to be excited? I guess it would open the door for a Kidd trade.

[monty55555]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I have a feeling that something will happen, and that it'll be a pretty significant move. Based on what we've got left, I'd say:

Josh with/without Bass is getting dealt
or
Kidd is getting dealt

I'd say it's 80-20 in favor of Josh getting dealt.

I also am hoping that its a significant trade, not a lateral move. I'm thinking a combination of either Josh, Stack or Bass for a quality SG or a low post threat. Maybe Kidd too, but I think they will try to do the Josh deal first if they can.

Whatever it is, I hope it happens soon so that the new player/s will be brought/introduced to the Mavs' system sooner rather than later.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I have a feeling that something will happen, and that it'll be a pretty significant move. Based on what we've got left, I'd say:

Josh with/without Bass is getting dealt
or
Kidd is getting dealt

I'd say it's 80-20 in favor of Josh getting dealt.

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It just goes along the lines of that Stein note a few weeks ago that you mentioned jthig. They're pushing hard to make some deals and they realize this isn't going to work, as constructed.

God I hope it's both Josh and Kidd getting dealt. Depends on if we think we can get more for Kidd in the summer. Maybe packaged w/ our 1st.

[mac222b]

I'm starting to think the benefits of trading Kidd outweigh resigning him to a reasonable deal. We just have to be ready because some team is going to want to dump a borderline all-star type player or we get back a couple young guys.

[twistaeffect2004]

The Mavs actually have some decent chips right now.

Jason Kidd: A veteran point guard who still has some life left in his legs, but most importantly he has a huge expiring contract.

JHo: Versatile small forward with a decent contract. He's been injury prone, and has been in the spotlight for all the wrong reasons as of late. Still on the right side of 30 and is a past all star, so while his value isn't as high as it should be for a player of his talent, it's still alright and should net something good in return.

Stackhouse: Another expiring contract

Bass: SF/PF/C tweener. Big body, nice mid range game. Plays bigger than he is which usually works against him. Young, really nice contract.

I think if we wanted we could get some impact players for the names I mentioned. Expiring contracts are pivotal with teams trying to get under the cap for 2010.

Again, it all comes down to what the Mavs want to do. Are they intending on remaining contenders for a playoff spot? Or do they want to do their own "spring cleaning" and try to position themselves the best they can for the 2010 FA race?

It should be very interesting.

[BGMaverick9]

I've been thinking about it over the past week or so. If we're pushing to trade either Josh or Kidd (I'm not on board with trading Kidd), I'm putting my targets on someone like Kaman first. You clearly have your ideas set on what you need: you need a low-post threat or a shooter. Low post guys (effective ones) are harder to find, so if you can get it...you go for it. Kidd would find Kaman and maybe bring more pick and roll offense with a big that actually ends in the low post.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by twistaeffect2004

The Mavs actually have some decent chips right now.

Jason Kidd: A veteran point guard who still has some life left in his legs, but most importantly he has a huge expiring contract.

JHo: Versatile small forward with a decent contract. He's been injury prone, and has been in the spotlight for all the wrong reasons as of late. Still on the right side of 30 and is a past all star, so while his value isn't as high as it should be for a player of his talent, it's still alright and should net something good in return.

Stackhouse: Another expiring contract

Bass: SF/PF/C tweener. Big body, nice mid range game. Plays bigger than he is which usually works against him. Young, really nice contract.

The thing with the last two, I don't think you're going to be "wowed" with what you get in return. Bass' contract is way too small to bring anything good back, Bass is an additional piece with Stack or the other two. It appears Stack can get you Earl Watson...he's nice but someone out of Kidd, Jet or JJB needs to go in the process. That just means you need to make another deal.

I think Kidd is either going to be allowed to walk or maybe get a SnT deal done, or he'll be brought back on the cheap-side.

[monty55555]

Done deal.

The deal is done. Guard Matt Carroll and Ryan Hollins were acquired by the Mavericks late Friday afternoon for DeSagana Diop.

"We are excited to add two young talents in Matt and Ryan to our roster," said Donnie Nelson, the Mavericks president of basketball operations. "Over the course of his career, Matt Carroll has one of the best 3-point shooters in the league. Ryan is a versatile athletic center with a good up-side.

"We want to thank Sagana. He is hands down one of the classiest people I have ever known. His contributions both on and off the court will certainly be missed. The Mavericks' family wishes him nothing but the very best."

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archi...-maverick.html

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wir...l_and_hollins/