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Scoobay · 02-04-2020, 12:45 PM

For anyone with a subscription to the Athletic, Adrian Beltre comes in at 52 in one writer's countdown of the top 100 players in MLB history.

https://theathletic.com/1568085/2020...adrian-beltre/

Another nugget that's fun to read about - a recap of how and why Trout is the GOAT of the 2010's but their team has sucked.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...n-playoff-game

Spring training starts in less than 3 weeks!

margotti · 04-08-2020, 06:21 AM

That espn article was a good read.

EricaLubarsky · 04-08-2020, 11:57 AM

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That espn article was a good read.

Was it now

chumdawg · 04-11-2020, 11:31 AM

Wow, 52 seems very, very high.

Murphy3 · 04-22-2020, 02:10 PM

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Wow, 52 seems very, very high.

I definitely agree.. Love Beltre but I'd have a hard time putting him that high. The reality was that he was only a good player throughout most of his career. Yes, he had a great 7 year stretch towards the end of his career.. I love Beltre. His WAR is extremely high.. this is obviously what gets him high on the list. However, he was rarely one of the best 2-3 players in the game at any point in his career. His greatness in large part is his long career. He played at a high level for 20 years. I guess it depends on what you value. A greater peak or more consistency over a long period of time..

Scoobay · 07-17-2020, 12:47 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lz8Y3jXhqw

Video about Bengie hitting for the cycle
there was an article about it in the athletic too
good memories

Zeus · 04-02-2021, 11:42 PM

2021 will mark the 5th year in a row the Rangers will miss the playoffs with no end in sight. You can make a solid argument that JD has been the worst GM in baseball since about 2015. The big league team is devoid of talent with no real assets to trade, and the farm system is bottom 5 in baseball with no real game changers on the way up. The rebuild should have started circa 2017 but JD and ownership tried to piecemeal a skinny rebuild which has failed miserably. At least ownership has a new tax subsidized stadium to enjoy.

Bryan_Wilson · 04-03-2021, 06:19 AM

Yeah it's not good. And it won't be good for a long while...

BPo001 · 04-03-2021, 09:18 AM

Good thing I don’t have FSSW to watch how terrible they are. JD needs to go. Like already stated this team has no talent or young players in the farm system.

Scoobay · 04-09-2021, 04:32 PM

Is this the peak of the ranger's season, getting to .500 at 3-3?
at least they've cleaned out some of the old guard and made room to get some new blood.

BigDog63 · 04-11-2021, 12:13 PM

For years, I would ask if anyone on this team were as good as their counterpart on the WCS teams (I think the answer, across the board, was 'no'). That indicated just how much rebuilding they needed then. NOW, the question is 'who on this roster is a viable major league starter'? A few promising players, but at best the answer is mostly 'don't know'. With little in the farm system or for trades.

How you can remain GM when when those are the questions, and that is the trend, I don't know. I think literally anyone off the street could have done THAT, for free.

Maybe that's the third question: What has JD done in the last...8 years?...that literally anyone off the street couldn't have duplicated, or bettered?

Bryan_Wilson · 04-11-2021, 12:45 PM

It's hard to even watch baseball these days with the length per 9 innings being higher than ever before. I believe currently it's sitting at 3 hours and 10 mins per 9 innings. Add that in with knowing your team is trash and has no reasonable hope in the near future and it's downright depressing. Rangers need to fire the GM like yesterday and MLB as a whole needs to revisit changes to bring the time per 9 innings back down to something more reasonable. I don't care if it's having a foul ball limit per at bat reduce the number of times pitchers and hitters can call time. Just bring it back down around 2:30-2:45 max on average.

BigDog63 · 04-11-2021, 03:10 PM

As an indication of just where the Ranger's Farm system currently is: Of the top 100 prospects in MLB, the Rangers have 3 of them, and they are ranked #'s 54, 70, and 84. When the Astros were this bad, they created one of the, if not the, best farm systems, and that's where most of their great players of the last few years came from. Rangers? Not looking good there.

Murphy3 · 05-24-2021, 08:44 AM

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As an indication of just where the Ranger's Farm system currently is: Of the top 100 prospects in MLB, the Rangers have 3 of them, and they are ranked #'s 54, 70, and 84. When the Astros were this bad, they created one of the, if not the, best farm systems, and that's where most of their great players of the last few years came from. Rangers? Not looking good there.

Their system is very deep in the farm and many of the top prospects are starting to hit AA and AAA.

Zeus · 05-29-2021, 09:23 AM

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Their system is very deep in the farm and many of the top prospects are starting to hit AA and AAA.

Literally nobody thinks the Rangers farm system is deep. They are consistently rated bottom 5 to 10 in MLB. What are we talking about?

Bryan_Wilson · 05-30-2021, 06:16 PM

Biggest problem with the farm is there is no cornerstone prospect. There isn't a guy you point to and say that's the guy, we need to field a team by the time he's ready to be called up. We also have no top ace prospect, just some guys who probably at their ceiling won't be better than a 3rd pitcher.

Zeus · 05-31-2021, 10:53 AM

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Biggest problem with the farm is there is no cornerstone prospect. There isn't a guy you point to and say that's the guy, we need to field a team by the time he's ready to be called up. We also have no top ace prospect, just some guys who probably at their ceiling won't be better than a 3rd pitcher.

Well said sir. Also to boot, we have ownership that shows no interest in spending in free agency to help bridge the gap on the farm system with an immediate infusion of talent.

BigDog63 · 08-02-2021, 09:14 PM

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Literally nobody thinks the Rangers farm system is deep. They are consistently rated bottom 5 to 10 in MLB. What are we talking about?

I heard several analysts say that. Possible. Lots of prospects, with no standouts.

With the trades, they moved from 19th to 15th ranked. So, they weren't as bad as many thought, but does make me really wonder about any teams ranked behind them--how bad is their system??

Murphy3 · 08-03-2021, 06:44 AM

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I heard several analysts say that. Possible. Lots of prospects, with no standouts.

With the trades, they moved from 19th to 15th ranked. So, they weren't as bad as many thought, but does make me really wonder about any teams ranked behind them--how bad is their system??

Yep.. the system has been thought of as deep without a ton of top end future major league talent close to being major league ready. However, that is starting to change as a few players are breaking through. All of the talent had largely been at the A level. You’re now seeing guys breakthrough in a major way at AA.

Murphy3 · 08-03-2021, 06:47 AM

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Biggest problem with the farm is there is no cornerstone prospect. There isn't a guy you point to and say that's the guy, we need to field a team by the time he's ready to be called up. We also have no top ace prospect, just some guys who probably at their ceiling won't be better than a 3rd pitcher.

Well, you could argue that they have a guy with ace potential now. They have a couple more with #2/3 stuff that have had great success at AA or AAA in Howard and Winn. The talent is starting to be there in the system. I know Howard is no longer a prospect but he is a rookie…so same basically the same thing.

Scoobay · 11-02-2021, 10:45 PM

Well at least the astros lost - suck it cheaters.

Scoobay · 12-01-2021, 11:54 PM

Wow rangers made some big moves

Semien
Gray
Seager

hope they're on the way to being competitive at least

Kidd Karma · 02-02-2022, 07:41 PM

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Wow rangers made some big moves

Semien
Gray
Seager

hope they're on the way to being competitive at least

Another FA vet arm in the rotation, couple of those kids to work out as starters, Alexy, Howard, Allard, Winn and Otto. Semien and Seager gets a middle of the order, true 6th place hitter like Garcia should thrive down in the order. IKF should get some good pitches to see early, but he's just keeping the seat warm for Jung. Good blend of vets and youngsters here.

Scoobay · 10-24-2023, 09:48 AM

Rangers back in the WS!!!!
incredible ride...
Let's go!

Murphy3 · 10-26-2023, 10:00 AM

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Rangers back in the WS!!!!
incredible ride...
Let's go!

I agree... I'll be at one of the first two games..not sure which yet.

BPo001 · 11-01-2023, 09:55 PM

3 more outs!

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-01-2023, 10:08 PM

Bravo! I'm not a baseball or big Rangers fan, but this was great! My mom was a big fan and today woulda been her birthday. So cool!

Scoobay · 11-01-2023, 11:07 PM

Yay! So many amazing things about this run

Scoobay · 11-02-2023, 09:44 AM

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Yay! So many amazing things about this run

11-0 on the road - amazing! Stole this from LSB - pretty incredible

R ays
O rioles
A stros
D iamondbacks

Zeus · 11-03-2023, 11:01 AM

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I definitely agree.. Love Beltre but I'd have a hard time putting him that high. The reality was that he was only a good player throughout most of his career. Yes, he had a great 7 year stretch towards the end of his career.. I love Beltre. His WAR is extremely high.. this is obviously what gets him high on the list. However, he was rarely one of the best 2-3 players in the game at any point in his career. His greatness in large part is his long career. He played at a high level for 20 years. I guess it depends on what you value. A greater peak or more consistency over a long period of time..

WAR is a great way to contextualize value. Very few people are the top 2 or 3 in MLB for any extended period. Trout from 2012 to 2019 was clearly the best player in baseball. I don't have any issue with his position. He was a plus hitter and a plus-plus fielder. Sure fire first ballot hall of famer next year. If not for a blunder by Ron Washington in putting a competent defender in the bottom of the 11th for Nelson Cruz, he would have a ring. Ironically, Washington decided at the last minute not to put the defensive replacement in because he wanted Nelson Cruz to be able to run in from Right Field and celebrate the WS win. Having said that the fact that the Rangers just pulled off their first makes the pain of 2011 go away.