Finley, Jamison to Portland? Say it aint so! - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

mavs413 · 11-08-2003, 10:25 PM

According to NBAtv:

Finley
Jamison

for

Wells
Wallace

ReDIRKulous · 11-08-2003, 10:26 PM

This must be a bad joke.

mavs413 · 11-08-2003, 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by: ReDIRKulous
This must be a bad joke.

They said the source was from Dallas and that the trade is awaiting league approval.
Im not joking, i heard it from NBAtv.
But if it were true why would Finley and Jamison play in this game?? Do they know??
Did the trade happen during the game???

harsh euro barge · 11-08-2003, 10:33 PM

ughhh......take my initial feeling after the Antoine Walker trade and multiply by 1000

ReDIRKulous · 11-08-2003, 10:35 PM

If it is true i bet Nellie told Fin about it a long time ago. Fin is such a good guy he probably took it in perfect stride.

I'll say it again in this thread...

Rasheed, Dirk, Walker, Bonzi, Nash.

That is frightening.

If this group can get along they could do anything.

Fin and JAmison are great guys though. But we need someone over 6'10.

This is the price you pay.

AdamAMMP · 11-08-2003, 10:38 PM

If this happens, I'm offically a Blazer fan.

Misfit Mav · 11-08-2003, 10:32 PM

Wow. If this is true, I really think the revolving-door trade policy is getting out of hand. I'm afraid that everybody on the team is going to play poorly with the contstant threat of a trade hanging over their heads. Hopefully we can stabilize the roster soon.

I have nothing more to say because I am too shocked. I will really miss Fin if this is true.

Mandyahl · 11-08-2003, 10:33 PM

if this is true, this is terrible. that ruins my night.

harsh euro barge · 11-08-2003, 10:35 PM

shhh.....don't tell tell Fin and Jamison while the game's going on

mavs413 · 11-08-2003, 10:39 PM

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Originally posted by: Mandyahl
if this is true, this is terrible. that ruins my night.

Cuban just said that the trade was not true. THank GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

harsh euro barge · 11-08-2003, 10:40 PM

YAY?

Mandyahl · 11-08-2003, 10:41 PM

wait, on tv he did? i am so confused...so is it just a rumor or what? and how close is this to being true? because if that happened, i don't know what i would do. it would make it awfully hard to root for the mavs.

MavsFanFinley · 11-08-2003, 10:30 PM

How funny. I just posted this trade in the new trade/draft forum earlier today.

Ummmmm Ok · 11-09-2003, 10:04 AM

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Originally posted by: MavsFanFinley
How funny. I just posted this trade in the new trade/draft forum earlier today.

Well its now officially proven: The media/Mav Players read this board. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] They read what MFF wrote and "made" a story out of nothing. And to prove it, anybody notice that Finley had a fire under him going into the SA game. I think it had to do with him proving US wrong because WE said he should be traded.

So seeing this: DIRK YOU NEED TO TAKE MORE DAMN SHOTS. YOU ARE THE NUMBER 1 OPTION. LET THE TEAM EVOLVE AROUND YOU, YOU DON'T NEED TO "FIT" INTO THEIR SCHEME, THEY NEED TO FIT INTO YOURS. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

sike · 11-09-2003, 11:35 AM

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Originally posted by: Ummmmm Ok

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Originally posted by: MavsFanFinley
How funny. I just posted this trade in the new trade/draft forum earlier today.

Well its now officially proven: The media/Mav Players read this board. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] They read what MFF wrote and "made" a story out of nothing. And to prove it, anybody notice that Finley had a fire under him going into the SA game. I think it had to do with him proving US wrong because WE said he should be traded.

So seeing this: DIRK YOU NEED TO TAKE MORE DAMN SHOTS. YOU ARE THE NUMBER 1 OPTION. LET THE TEAM EVOLVE AROUND YOU, YOU DON'T NEED TO "FIT" INTO THEIR SCHEME, THEY NEED TO FIT INTO YOURS. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

IN TOTAL AGREEMENT: with umm..

and as far as this trade is concerned, would PORT do the deal if the Mavs offered Walker instead of Jamsion? I see Walker as taking too many shots from Dirk....and Jamison i see as needing more touches......both could be accomplished with the removal of Walker!

it all may be dead point now, but it seems like trades like this that are romored now may have new life when teams are desperately looking for that extra piece at the deadline....so wait and see...the Mavs have pieces to trade..and those pieces will be of maximum value as teams try to make playoff pushes....

LRB · 11-09-2003, 12:30 PM

I've got a question for everyone on this topic. If this trade were real, home much longer do you think it would set the Mavs back in jelling for this season?

Personally, I think that we would be at least 30 games into the season before we would have a decent chances of jelling.

sike · 11-09-2003, 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by: LRB
I've got a question for everyone on this topic. If this trade were real, home much longer do you think it would set the Mavs back in jelling for this season?

Personally, I think that we would be at least 30 games into the season before we would have a decent chances of jelling.

LRB: I guess the better question is how many games are you (or better, the Mavs) willing to toss in order to have the best possible chance to win a ring?....

MFF: WOULDN'T BE TO concerned with mindset of Finley, he has been in trade talk for the past several seasons...

Mavs Rule · 11-09-2003, 05:49 PM

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and as far as this trade is concerned, would PORT do the deal if the Mavs offered Walker instead of Jamsion? I see Walker as taking too many shots from Dirk....and Jamison i see as needing more touches......both could be accomplished with the removal of Walker!

it all may be dead point now, but it seems like trades like this that are romored now may have new life when teams are desperately looking for that extra piece at the deadline....so wait and see...the Mavs have pieces to trade..and those pieces will be of maximum value as teams try to make playoff pushes....

I agree with this totally. Jamison has some great qualities that this team needs badly.

1. Jamison has incredible character and a team instinct that fits in nicely with Dirk and Steve.
2. Jamison's shooting percentage is much higher than Walker's.
3. Jamison's has better hands receiving bullet passes when he is in the paint.
4. Jamison gets his shot off much quicker than Walker's and won't be blocked nearly as often.
5. Jamison finishes better than almost everyone on this team around the basket, he uses the board extremely well.
6. The Mavs need someone who can clean up after missed shots and put them back as easily as Jamison.

This is a major ROLE that the Mavs need badly. And Jamison is willing to do this role.

As far as getting rid of Walker, the only thing we will really miss is his passing. But, I think Nellie is overrating the point forward idea. It would be nice to have a player like this, but I believe Walker is not that man. These are some of the things we get rid of by dealing Walker.

1. Turnovers galore.
2. a 38% shooter.
3. a bad decision maker, especially with the game on the line.
4. Having to decide whether to extend his huge contract. I would rather worry about resigning Sheed.
5. a quasi-leader that no one really wants as a leader.

Fin is definately on the downside of his career, with shooting percentage hitting career lows last year, and looking to be even WORSE this year. He made some huge plays last night for us, but they are too few and far between for someone with his huge salary. I would miss Fin as a person that has a heart of gold. He was the backbone of this franchise for many years. But sooner or later we have to trade him within two years or we will be stuck with a huge contract for a bench player. The sooner we trade him, the more value we will get in return.

The only drawback of the Fin/Walker trade for Wells/Wallace would be the possibility of a complete rebelling of Wells/Wallace from the rest of the team. Can they relate to a bunch of good guys and become working members of a team that they used to call "soft", or will they segregate themselves from the others and look for escapism through the smoke. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

Remember how the Walker deal came on the very day that the Warrior's players were eligible to be traded again. It could be the same thing all over again with this trade. In other words, the deal won't be consumated until Dec. 21st when Walker is eligible to be traded. Let the waiting begin.

MavsFanFinley · 11-08-2003, 10:41 PM

Makes sense as Portland made attempts at both Finley and Jamison over the summer.

Not sure what Dallas is thinking, but it wouldn't be a surprise that they'd be making another big trade.

Strange that all 4 guys are playing tonight. Wouldn't they be sitting to avoid a possible injury?

MavsFanFinley · 11-08-2003, 10:47 PM

Sorry, but I'm not going to take Cuban's word for it.

Of course he'll say it's not true if it's still awaiting NBA approval.

Murphy3 · 11-08-2003, 10:50 PM

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Originally posted by: MavsFanFinley
Sorry, but I'm not going to take Cuban's word for it.

Of course he'll say it's not true if it's still awaiting NBA approval.

I'm not sure that he'd do that MFF...what's more likely is this... if Cuban made that offer to Portland and they turned it down, Cuban would say that the Mavs never had any interest in making a trade with Portland

LRB · 11-08-2003, 10:58 PM

I sinerely hope this trade is nothing more than a bogus rumor. If not the Dallas PD better start beefing up their narcotics division.

Tony tha Mavs fan · 11-08-2003, 11:01 PM

I hear that the trade was reported on Portland TV by Blazer fans... on the news.. don't know how much truth is to it, but it's just what i saw on some of the NBA message boards..and that the trade is pending league approval.

Fidel · 11-08-2003, 11:03 PM

This belongs into the new trade forum, so I moved it.

If this trade became reality I´d probably hope that the Mavs would trade Dirk to any other team I can root for. I`m not sure I could root for a team that features Walker, Wallace and Wells.

Tony tha Mavs fan · 11-08-2003, 11:04 PM

nice job Fidel your right, it does belong in a trade forum, until it's official.

Simon2 · 11-08-2003, 11:07 PM

This happens. The Mavs get about 22 mil of the books next season. Wow! Just throw away any chance of getting anywhere into the playoffs.

Tony tha Mavs fan · 11-08-2003, 11:08 PM

Saturday, November 08, 2003

Trade rumor
Have the Blazers found a willing taker for Rasheed Wallace and Bonzi Wells? Noting the sullen mood and empty seats in the Rose Garden this season, Mike Barrett and Mike Rice revealed the Mavericks may have an offer on the table to the Blazers Saturday on the Blazers' pre-game show.

Rice and Barrett reported the Mavericks are willing to send PF/SF Antawn Jamison and SG Michael Finley to Portland in exchange for Wallace and Wells.

The trade appears to work under the collective bargaining agreement. However, Finley and Jamison both have huge contracts (check their salaries) with several years remaining.

Barrett and Rice noted Dallas is probably one of the few teams willing to take these two on (Wells and Wallace) and give quality in return. Rice indicated he thinks the ball is in the Blazers' court.

info from Oregon Live.com

Tony tha Mavs fan · 11-08-2003, 11:10 PM

OK now i hear it was reported on Fox 4 news? Deal to be official on monday...?

Simon2 · 11-08-2003, 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by: Simon2
This happens. The Mavs get about 22 mil of the books next season. Wow! Just throw away any chance of getting anywhere into the playoffs.

I mean "If" this happens.

dirno2000 · 11-08-2003, 11:13 PM

I think the Mavs would get the talent edge in that trade. I don't think I'd trade two good guys for two bad guys though. The talent upgrade is not that great.

Of course Cuban could be looking at the financial aspect. Wallace is about to be a free agent and will have to take a paycut at the end of the season.

Nash13 · 11-08-2003, 11:44 PM

Actually, Wells has never been convicted of anything, he just has a horrible attitude on the court. I'd love to have Wells on this team, but not at the expense of Finley and/or Jamison.

To tell the truth, this really doesn't seem like a bad idea. This could make "good guys" out of Wells and Wallace, and hopefully Finley and Jamison can make "good guys" out of the trailblazers.

Also, Wells and Wallace are used to playing on a team with a whole lot of talent. Wallace has been taking stat cuts for the last two years, and it'll get worse when Randolph starts living up to the hype.

MavsFanFinley · 11-08-2003, 11:53 PM

Dallas:

Wallace/Bradley/Fortson
Dirk/Najera
Walker/TAW
Wells/Delk/Howard
Nash/Best/Daniels/Stefansson

Portland:

Davis/Stepania/Boumtje
Randolph
Jamison/Woods/Patterson/Outlaw
Finley/Anderson/Murray
Stoudamire/McInnis

Murphy3 · 11-08-2003, 11:57 PM

The Mavs would be better defensively and would have a little more attitude..
but, it's possible that it could be 'too much' attitude.

I can see reasons to like and dislike this rumored trade.

Murphy3 · 11-08-2003, 11:58 PM

Unfortunately, Cuban and Nellie have been so deceptive in the past that it's difficult to believe anything that comes out of either of their mouths..

LRB · 11-09-2003, 12:06 AM

I seriously wonder how Nellie would deal with those two personalities. I could also see either Bonzi or Rasheed pulling a Latrell on Nellie on some of the quirky moves he makes.

Just211 · 11-09-2003, 12:22 AM

i can see getting one or the other, but i'd be weary of getting both. One bad attitude is easy to deal with, but TWO. that's a huge risk.
BUT the Mavs would win the talent side of the trade by a landslide.
Its obvious why they'd want sheed, but Wells would be a huge additon. He provides something we all agree the MAvs need, a penetrating scorer..

And the Main negative is losing FIN. A HUGE fan fav, and great leader, for 2 guys who don't seem to care. I really don't care if they smoke a pound of weed on the off days, but sometimes they look like they could care less on the court. that bothers me. (but sometimes i think Dirk looks like he could care less, too, so hopefully I'm wrong, and they're just SO good they make it look boring)

MavsFanFinley · 11-09-2003, 12:22 AM

A couple reasons I see the Mavs making the deal.

1) They unload two max contracts in Finley and Jamison.

2) They rent Wallace for the year. They may try to resign him if he takes a pay cut. Plus, he'll display more toughness than Jamison. With him playing center, it allows Dirk to play the 4 where he is at his best. He has a post-up game, but can nail the 3. He screams Nellie player.

3) Not sure where Wells fits in. He's cheaper than Fin and his contract is 2 years shorter. He'll display a toughness Finley doesn't. Not the good kind either. He can post-up, drives to the hoop, but I can't remember his 3-point shot. Not sure why he'd be given plays that Fin wouldn't.

Nash13 · 11-09-2003, 12:36 AM

I think this is a good trade. If this trade were to happen, people would eventually see why this was a good trade.

It is creeping me out when i was thinking earlier today if we were to trade Finley, would we get equal value. This is the best value that we probably would've gotten for Finley.

Also this will put another player on this team that is taller than 6'8. And there's a good chance that Dirk will be a full time center since Wallace will be guarding the Garnetts and the Webbers and the Duncans.

What it comes down to is would you rather have a good PF/C rotation, or a better SF/SG rotation?

Fidel · 11-09-2003, 12:53 AM

Talent and money wise this deal makes alot of sense. Like MFF said with Wallace playing center Dirk could play the majority of time at PF where he fits much better. Bonzi is a little inconsistent but he brings toughness to the backcourt and he can penetrate and finish. Wallace is an enigma. If he could somehow shake that off (stop smoking so much weed would probably do the trick) he could be a top 10 player in the league. Money wise we´d get rid of Fin´s contract (which is clearly too high) and another max contract with Jamison.

But and that´s a big BUT, Sheed and Bonzi are jerks. They don´t really care about the game, and even if they bring some of that tough attitude they also bring alot of bad attitude. I don´t know how Nash and Dirk would take it if they had to play with Walker, Wallace, Wells.

And me I´m really not sure if I could root for a team featuring these kind of players. Walker alone makes it hard enough, now they want to add Sheed and Bonzi? How about waiting until dec. 21st and ship out Walker instead? That would be much more to my liking.

ames7 · 11-09-2003, 01:02 AM

I was watching the SA broadcast here in Austin & they reported the same info, same denial from Cuban. I haven't seen a thing in print & I don't think Cuban would deny it like that on TV if it was going to happen.

If it were to happen, I wouldn't quite know what to think. It sort of makes sense, w/Wallace. I think Finley would probably do a lot better on other teams than he does here. I don't think I'd like losing Jamison in this deal.