Roster for this year

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

I'm trying to figure out how Powell fits on this team. I love the guy and want him to stay but he just doesn't seem to have a set role or position. If he becomes more consistent on his long-range jumper then he's a great fit. This summer is critical for him imo.

Thing is with his restricted status teams can only offer I believe a contract starting at 5.4 million a year. You def keep him at that price with the cap and player value going up. You can always trade him in the future if you need to with his size, youth, and potential.

[Vinsanity]

Jennings should be the target if and only if we aren't able to sign Conley, D-Will, Lin, or trick the Bulls into trading us Rose for Harris. I think he'd be better than most expect but I'd definitely just be content with Deron Williams back as the starter.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Vinsanity

Jennings should be the target if and only if we aren't able to sign Conley, D-Will, Lin, or trick the Bulls into trading us Rose for Harris. I think he'd be better than most expect but I'd definitely just be content with Deron Williams back as the starter.

I have no problem with Deron since JJB and Harris will still be here to back him up when he inevitably gets injured... Just as long as he's healthy for the playoffs. The big worry with him is cost.

Obviously Conley is top choice, long-shot Rose has a ton of upside, and Lin has the potential to give the most bang for the buck...... But Jennings has a lot to offer as well. The big worry with him is also cost.

[Vinsanity]

Originally Posted by Underdog

I have no problem with Deron since JJB and Harris will still be here to back him up when he inevitably gets injured... Just as long as he's healthy for the playoffs. The big thing with him is cost.

Obviously Conley is to choice, long-shot Rose has a ton of upside, and Lin has the potential to give a lot more than he'll probably cost...... But Jennings has a lot to offer as well. The big thing with him is also cost.

Yeah I have no idea what D-Will's value is gonna be so resigning him might be tricky. I could easily see him getting a small one or two year deal or I could see some team like the Kings overpaying for him on a 4 year deal. We're just gonna have to see once free agency begins. I do think he's the best free agent point guard behind Conley though.

[Thebo]

Originally Posted by mac222b

So lets say,for whatever reasons, Dwight Howard is not in play. Whiteside re-signs with Miami. Conley signs elsewhere. What's the max you offer Bismack? 18M? Anyone go that high? Higher? Mahinmi at 14M? Just curious how desperate people think we are

Why would anyone throw 18 at Bismack? I would be surprised if there are enough teams willing to go higher than 10 for him, and perhaps Mahinmi. 14 sounds the highest anyone would pay either of them.

I do not think Mavs are that desperate. Just, there are a lot of options and directions that Mavs can take. They could simply continue with Zaza and look to improve other positions - which I hope is not the plan A. They could also then keep Powell and try some freakish small ball lineup.

With so many teams with so much cash to spend - this will make a very intriguing offseason. Guys like Bismack and Mahinmi do not even have to rush and get the best offer given to them before Dwight has made up his mind.

If Mavs do not get a commitment from Parsons, then this will also change things a lot. Although DeAndra showed last summer the worth of commitments and these two have been together buddy-buddy after the incident.

In short, I do not see why Mavs should be desperate for anything. Too many things are unclear and too many different directions are available. It is not like you have most of the roster in place and desperately need that one big name like Howard. At the moment, just getting Howard and missing out on decent point guard would still give you nothing but playoff seeding.

Who knows, maybe the Mavs will miss out on Parsons, Howard and Conley? Perhaps Cuban and Dirk decide it is time to call it quits and Dirk does not re-sign and the Mavs can go full rebuild.

It is also interesting to see where Tyson Chandler ends up at. I doubt he is going to stay as a member of Suns after draft.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by Thebo

Why would anyone throw 18 at Bismack? I would be surprised if there are enough teams willing to go higher than 10 for him, and perhaps Mahinmi. 14 sounds the highest anyone would pay either of them.

I do not think Mavs are that desperate. Just, there are a lot of options and directions that Mavs can take. They could simply continue with Zaza and look to improve other positions - which I hope is not the plan A. They could also then keep Powell and try some freakish small ball lineup.

With so many teams with so much cash to spend - this will make a very intriguing offseason. Guys like Bismack and Mahinmi do not even have to rush and get the best offer given to them before Dwight has made up his mind.

If Mavs do not get a commitment from Parsons, then this will also change things a lot. Although DeAndra showed last summer the worth of commitments and these two have been together buddy-buddy after the incident.

In short, I do not see why Mavs should be desperate for anything. Too many things are unclear and too many different directions are available. It is not like you have most of the roster in place and desperately need that one big name like Howard. At the moment, just getting Howard and missing out on decent point guard would still give you nothing but playoff seeding.

Who knows, maybe the Mavs will miss out on Parsons, Howard and Conley? Perhaps Cuban and Dirk decide it is time to call it quits and Dirk does not re-sign and the Mavs can go full rebuild.

It is also interesting to see where Tyson Chandler ends up at. I doubt he is going to stay as a member of Suns after draft.

Idk if Bismack gets 18M but he will certainly be a lot closer to 18 than 10. Aaron Bynes signed for like 8m last offseason as a backup. Biyombo is younger, better and coming off a huge playoffs. And a cap spike. He'll get btwn 15-20M per from someone.

I'd say the Mavs are rather desperate. They need to improve, get younger. They need assets to attract future FA. They'll overpay if they have to.

[Thebo]

Originally Posted by mac222b

I'd say the Mavs are rather desperate. They need to improve, get younger. They need assets to attract future FA. They'll overpay if they have to.

I see your point of view. I just would like to think people are desperate when they have a clear vision of what they want but are missing one or two pieces from getting it.

If the Mavs are in a win-now mode where they want to get another title or serious run at it with Dirk, then getting younger is not going to be much of a priority. Especially after what they did in 2011.

I would argue that a lot will come down to whether Parsons leaves or stays. A lot will depend if he starts listening to offers from other teams or enters free agency with commitment to re-sign with Mavs. If Parsons leaves, then thoughts about merely competing for playoff seeding will change priorities / direction from win-now to getting younger.

I think that DWill is a realistic possibility, especially with chances to also sign Howard. DWill could accept 1 year deal around 8M and sign bigger deal next summer when cap rises even further.

About Baynes and his 8M deal. That deal was signed already new cap in mind. I think that 8-10M will be about the norm of backups. You can not really view last summer's offers and think that those were given under that cap in mind. To add, Aron Baynes is getting 6,5M a year which even by current cap rules is solid for backup.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by Thebo

I see your point of view. I just would like to think people are desperate when they have a clear vision of what they want but are missing one or two pieces from getting it.

If the Mavs are in a win-now mode where they want to get another title or serious run at it with Dirk, then getting younger is not going to be much of a priority. Especially after what they did in 2011.

I would argue that a lot will come down to whether Parsons leaves or stays. A lot will depend if he starts listening to offers from other teams or enters free agency with commitment to re-sign with Mavs. If Parsons leaves, then thoughts about merely competing for playoff seeding will change priorities / direction from win-now to getting younger.

I think that DWill is a realistic possibility, especially with chances to also sign Howard. DWill could accept 1 year deal around 8M and sign bigger deal next summer when cap rises even further.

About Baynes and his 8M deal. That deal was signed already new cap in mind. I think that 8-10M will be about the norm of backups. You can not really view last summer's offers and think that those were given under that cap in mind. To add, Aron Baynes is getting 6,5M a year which even by current cap rules is solid for backup.

My bad, not sure where I got Bynes at 8M. I think DWill is all about getting paid and would sign anywhere for extra $. By getting younger i meant young, established vets- like Barnes, Biyombo, Teague- to where they could add another piece to that core next summer.

[MavzMan]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

I'm trying to figure out how Powell fits on this team. I love the guy and want him to stay but he just doesn't seem to have a set role or position.

I think he could be a solid backup 4 and even 5 when you go smaller. He started off last season playing great and then got in RC's doghouse at some point. It seems his #1 problem is confidence. He needs to come out with a massive chip on his shoulder just like Justin Anderson. When JA plays, he's out there to prove something ... make something happen.

Beyond confidence, Powell just needs a general improvement across the board in offense, defense, and BBIQ. I really like the guy, hope he stays here and gets solid minutes next season.

[Melonhead]

Chasing Biyombo at 15m+ is fools gold. He had two really good games in the playoffs but looked pedestrian in game 5 and 6.

As long as the numbers are close, I really dont see Parsons going anywhere.

[Melonhead]

Mark Cuban: “Every player thinks it’s just going to be a money train this summer. There’s a lot of money; there’s not THAT much money. … And I think there’s going to be teams that save their money for next year, because it’s a better free agent class. People just presume now that everybody’s going to get paid a lot of money, and it’ll be interesting to see if that happens.”

Has this guy still not learned his lesson? Itll be a lot of money this year AND even more next year.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by mac222b

Idk if Bismack gets 18M but he will certainly be a lot closer to 18 than 10. Aaron Bynes signed for like 8m last offseason as a backup. Biyombo is younger, better and coming off a huge playoffs. And a cap spike. He'll get btwn 15-20M per from someone.

I'd say the Mavs are rather desperate. They need to improve, get younger. They need assets to attract future FA. They'll overpay if they have to.

Saying Biyombo had a huge playoffs is an overstatement. He'll give you 16 rebounds one night and 3 the next. He's a really good backup to have, but he'll be overexposed as a starter.

I really don't think Biyombo will be attracting future free agents.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Mark Cuban: “Every player thinks it’s just going to be a money train this summer. There’s a lot of money; there’s not THAT much money. … And I think there’s going to be teams that save their money for next year, because it’s a better free agent class. People just presume now that everybody’s going to get paid a lot of money, and it’ll be interesting to see if that happens.”

Has this guy still not learned his lesson? Itll be a lot of money this year AND even more next year.

I get what he is saying though. And if you blow your load on mediocre players, then what have you accomplished if the 5-8 seed is still the realistic goal? The Mavs finished 6 without Chandler Parsons for pete's sake.

And he offered max contracts to three different players (Parsons, Jordan, Matthews) the last few summers so it's not like Cuban hasn't spent money. He's just not going to spend 15-20 million on guys like Biyombo and rightfully so IMO.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I get what he is saying though. And if you blow your load on mediocre players, then what have you accomplished if the 5-8 seed is still the realistic goal? The Mavs finished 6 without Chandler Parsons for pete's sake.

And he offered max contracts to three different players (Parsons, Jordan, Matthews) the last few summers so it's not like Cuban hasn't spent money. He's just not going to spend 15-20 million on guys like Biyombo and rightfully so IMO.

This could be a nice setup year where we get the pieces to hopefully attract a decent FA next. It's probably not a bad idea for Cuban to go for value this off season and then pay premium dollars next but with Dirk in his final few years we're running out of time for that type of strategy.

Maybe Cuban has gotten a little wise and is ready to take a small step back to give us a little traction to get out of the rut we have been stuck in for the past several seasons.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I get what he is saying though. And if you blow your load on mediocre players, then what have you accomplished if the 5-8 seed is still the realistic goal? The Mavs finished 6 without Chandler Parsons for pete's sake.

And he offered max contracts to three different players (Parsons, Jordan, Matthews) the last few summers so it's not like Cuban hasn't spent money. He's just not going to spend 15-20 million on guys like Biyombo and rightfully so IMO.

For the Mavs I think he has the right idea. But teams are and will always be stupid. I think there are teams that will blow their load this offseason. Someone will give the majority of the mediocre players the money they want.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Saying Biyombo had a huge playoffs is an overstatement. He'll give you 16 rebounds one night and 3 the next. He's a really good backup to have, but he'll be overexposed as a starter.

I really don't think Biyombo will be attracting future free agents.

But it's a dual edged sword. You sign scraps this offseason and you aren't attracting anyone in 2017 either. At least Biyombo has some upside. It's conceivable his best basketball is ahead. Same with Harrison Barnes. I want guys that can defend multiple positions and switch on the p'n'r. You pay a premium for guys that can do those things. Or guys that can shoot. It's why a gimpy Wes Matthews got paid.

[MavzMan]

Originally Posted by mac222b

But it's a dual edged sword. You sign scraps this offseason and you aren't attracting anyone in 2017 either.

I think the point is we want to sign quality FAs like Biz, but we don't want to overpay to the point where we have no money left next year on a better class of FA. If we offer him $12-15 and someone gets him for $20+, don't be upset with the MBT not getting him. If he's not worth it, don't do it or you cripple your team for true upgrades later over potential upgrades now.

[EricaLubarsky]

Terry says Howard would get us contending. Don't know how to feel.

[bunkmoreland]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Mark Cuban: “Every player thinks it’s just going to be a money train this summer. There’s a lot of money; there’s not THAT much money. … And I think there’s going to be teams that save their money for next year, because it’s a better free agent class. People just presume now that everybody’s going to get paid a lot of money, and it’ll be interesting to see if that happens.”

Has this guy still not learned his lesson? Itll be a lot of money this year AND even more next year.

If he wants to win bidding wars on this off-season's free agents, may as well try to convey to other owners that these guys really aren't worth bidding on. Not that I really think NBA owners/GMs are dumb enough for that to work on.

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Terry says Howard would get us contending. Don't know how to feel.

Depends on the definition of "contending" but I think our 15-16 team, with Dwight swapped in for Zaza, is markedly better. Might only mean the 4th or 5th seed, but that's still an improvement without considering other potential roster upgrades.

BTW, Terry also mentioned that he'd like to play one more year and that Cuban always has "first dibs" on him. For the veteran minimum, I'm all over that.

[MavzMan]

Originally Posted by spreedom

Depends on the definition of "contending" but I think our 15-16 team, with Dwight swapped in for Zaza, is markedly better.

Also plug in Parsons with Dwight. Our offense was absolutely atrocious at times so having Parsons scoring would have helped a ton. And Dwight at center was be much better defensively and rebounding. Still not championship level, but I think that would put us even with LAC for sure and fighting for a home court advantage in first round at least.

[yahyes]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Terry says Howard would get us contending. Don't know how to feel.

Well, a healthy Deron/Dwight/Parsons can really give Dirk 1 good year left to especially compete in the playoffs. If all the teams comes back. Replacing about 3 with probably bringing Terry back as last guy on the bench. It can be nice to reunite Dirk, JJ, and Terry for one last ride at it.

[tap2390]

My dream offseason involves letting Parsons and Deron walk, and signing Kent Bazemore, Mike Conley, and Dwight. We suffer from identity crisis and this clearly makes us a defensive squad.

Conley/ Barea
Wes/ Harris/ #46
Bazemore/ Anderson
Dirk/ Powell/ Charlie V.
Dwight/ Mejri/ McGee

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by tap2390

My dream offseason involves letting Parsons and Deron walk, and signing Kent Bazemore, Mike Conley, and Dwight. We suffer from identity crisis and this clearly makes us a defensive squad.

Conley/ Barea
Wes/ Harris/ #46
Bazemore/ Anderson
Dirk/ Powell/ Charlie V.
Dwight/ Mejri/ McGee

In the words of Steven Tyler....

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

In the words of Steven Tyler....

Dude looks like a lady?

[DirkFTW]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

In the words of Steven Tyler....

Originally Posted by Underdog

Dude looks like a lady?

You have no idea how expensive it is to look this cheap?

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by DirkFTW

You have no idea how expensive it is to look this cheap?

Must spread rep.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Dude looks like a lady?

must also spread rep.

[BPo001]

Alex Kennedy: The Dallas Mavs are holding their free agent mini-camp on June 22-23. Nick Minnerath, Arnett Moultrie, McKenzie Moore and more will attend. – via Twitter AlexKennedyNBA

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Alex Kennedy: The Dallas Mavs are holding their free agent mini-camp on June 22-23. Nick Minnerath, Arnett Moultrie, McKenzie Moore and more will attend. – via Twitter AlexKennedyNBA

I somewhat liked Moultrie when he was in the 2012 draft. Too bad he never amounted to anything.

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

In the words of Steven Tyler....

Seems like a pipe dream, but if we renounce CP and Deron we're at $40 million in salaries with Dirk's cap hold, and the cap is expected to be $92 million. Let's make it happen.

[spreedom]

I like that in theory, but I feel like our odds of getting Dwight plummet if we don't keep Parsons.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Seems like a pipe dream, but if we renounce CP and Deron we're at $40 million in salaries with Dirk's cap hold, and the cap is expected to be $92 million. Let's make it happen.

This would be amazing. But Dwight and Conley would take the entire 52M. Bazemore will get 10-15M.would have to sign and trade Powell and or Devin or something.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Are people going to be upset or surprised of the Mavs don't land a "big name" this free agency? I just feel like this is the one offseason where the Mavs really don't have much of a chance since the pool is limited this summer.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Are people going to be upset or surprised of the Mavs don't land a "big name" this free agency? I just feel like this is the one offseason where the Mavs really don't have much of a chance since the pool is limited this summer.

If they can't land Howard, Conley, Horford, etc. I won't be upset if they can land some solid guys with fair contracts to move forward with and hopefully grab a big name next summer to fit in with this summers signings. Outside of landing someone in a trade though I think Howard is the only star we have a legit chance at signing.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by BPo001

If they can't land Howard, Conley, Horford, etc. I won't be upset if they can land some solid guys with fair contracts to move forward with and hopefully grab a big name next summer to fit in with this summers signings. Outside of landing someone in a trade though I think Howard is the only star we have a legit chance at signing.

My thoughts exactly.

[spreedom]

Agreed... if we miss out on each of the top 7- or 8-ish guys, I think we should shoot for incremental improvement with young guys that we can count on to mature here over the next few years.

[BPo001]

Thanasis Antetokounmpo is among the 40 free agents that were invited to a mini camp by the Dallas Mavericks, according to Jonathan Givony of Draft Express. His participation there, however, seems to be more than unlikely. The Mavericks’ camp will take place from 20th to 22th of June. During these days, the preparation period of the Greek national team ahead of the Olympic Qualifying Tournament in Turin, which begins in July 3, will be in full motion.
– via EuroHoops.net

Two players that spent the 2015/2016 season in the Greek Basket league, D.J. Strawberry and Okaro White were also invited in the Mavs’ camp. What is interesting, is the fact that while Strawberry played for Olympiacos, Okaro White, who wore the jersey of Aris, has already agreed to a deal with the Reds for the upcoming season.
– via EuroHoops.net


http://www.eurohoops.net/featured/26...mavericks-camp

[blessednegr0]

I am with the Dwight Howard and Mike Conley deal. Why are there so many haters when it comes to Parsons. He has been injured the last two years, but he is not a bad player by any means. I would like to see him more as a power forward when Dirk is out. I hope the contracts they offer are VERY reasonable. That Conley/Wes/Bazemore/Dwight line up seems pretty damn solid

[Thebo]

Originally Posted by blessednegr0

I am with the Dwight Howard and Mike Conley deal. Why are there so many haters when it comes to Parsons. He has been injured the last two years, but he is not a bad player by any means. I would like to see him more as a power forward when Dirk is out. I hope the contracts they offer are VERY reasonable. That Conley/Wes/Bazemore/Dwight line up seems pretty damn solid

Conley/Wes/Bazemore/Dwight would be epic. I've been riding the Bazemore train since last playoffs.

At this point, if someone is hating Parsons, then it is due to personal reasons. I still do not think he is used as his best by Carlisle. Rick's system may never fully complement what Parsons is able to do. I just wish Parsons would add defense to his game, and consistency for the first 3 quarters.

For the record, I think chances of Conley leaving Memphis are as big as Howard joining Mavs. If Conley is after big money, he'll stay. If he wants some legacy or contending for title, he should leave. Memphis has been solid for the past season, but every year they have used the same exact formula to try to win. It has not worked and they have made zero efforts to change their ways. Perhaps new coach will help to change thins up, but the main problem with results is not coaching staff, it's the front office who can not find right players.