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Murphy3 · 03-01-2023, 09:43 PM

I?m glad I hated the hiring of Kidd to begin with. I don?t know why anyone associated with the guy would think he would be a good option to coach an NBA team.

SMC0007 · 03-01-2023, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

I?m glad I hated the hiring of Kidd to begin with. I don?t know why anyone associated with the guy would think he would be a good option to coach an NBA team.

I dont think many fans can cleanly say they were against it from day 1 through now. Many folks were pleasantly surprised with the way the team came together to finish the season and in the POs.

In fairness, We had RC and that was beyond burnt out. We all wanted a change. Kidd hiring was questionable at best and is now seems to be a total flop regardless of the lack luster roster.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-01-2023, 10:22 PM

I'm on record for wanting Mosley along with many others.

washedklean77 · 03-02-2023, 08:59 AM

This will be an unpopular take, but I think it's best that the Mavs completely miss the playoffs. It will force Cuban to have to make some changes in the offseason.

tap2390 · 03-02-2023, 09:05 AM

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This will be an unpopular take, but I think it's best that the Mavs completely miss the playoffs. It will force Cuban to have to make some changes in the offseason.

I completely agree. Will also give us a very valuable asset (our pick) in a crucial offseason.

EricaLubarsky · 03-02-2023, 12:32 PM

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I completely agree. Will also give us a very valuable asset (our pick) in a crucial offseason.

Missing the playoffs will not guarantee we keep the pick. In fact, we are almost guaranteed to NOT keep the pick.

Statistically, we are unlikely to drop out of the play-in. Assuming we lose the play-in and thus miss the playoffs, we would have roughly a 4% chance of a top-10 pick, which means a 95-96% chance that New York gets a 13th/14th pick.

It is statistically possible to drop out of the play-in as well, but...
A) We are unlikely to lose the tanking race against the Lakers (no LeBron, unhappy Davis), Blazers, Rockets, Thunder, and Spurs. Lakers are better, but without LeBron they are nothing. I don't think we can beat the other four teams in tankage.
B) Even if we did get to 11th, it only gets us a 9% chance of keeping the pick. In other words, a 91% chance Knicks gets a very nice 11th/12th pick.

washedklean77 · 03-02-2023, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Missing the playoffs will not guarantee we keep the pick. In fact, we are almost guaranteed to NOT keep the pick.

Statistically, we are unlikely to drop out of the play-in. Assuming we lose the play-in and thus miss the playoffs, we would have roughly a 4% chance of a top-10 pick, which means a 95-96% chance that New York gets a 13th/14th pick.

It is statistically possible to drop out of the play-in as well, but...
A) We are unlikely to lose the tanking race against the Lakers (no LeBron, unhappy Davis), Blazers, Rockets, Thunder, and Spurs. Lakers are better, but without LeBron they are nothing. I don't think we can beat the other four teams in tankage.
B) Even if we did get to 11th, it only gets us a 9% chance of keeping the pick. In other words, a 91% chance Knicks gets a very nice 11th/12th pick.

Lets not forget that the Mavs strength of schedule for the remainder of the season is officially a moot point as this team has proven that they can lose to anyone. So while the teams that live underneath the Mavs in the standings at this time may very well play around .500 ball for the remainder of the season, the Mavs may do worse. I fully anticipate the Mavs being a game under .500 come Sunday night.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-02-2023, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by washedklean77

This will be an unpopular take, but I think it's best that the Mavs completely miss the playoffs. It will force Cuban to have to make some changes in the offseason.

Only problem with this is that means Irving is gone for sure along with Wood.

So you're then hoping the Lakers give you something of value in a S&T. People mention Davis, but I don't see that happening. You just have to hope to get someone like Vanderbilt which would still be a total disaster from what we gave up.

washedklean77 · 03-02-2023, 09:34 AM

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Only problem with this is that means Irving is gone for sure along with Wood.

So you're then hoping the Lakers give you something of value in a S&T. People mention Davis, but I don't see that happening. You just have to hope to get someone like Vanderbilt which would still be a total disaster from what we gave up.

I think Irving rolls out regardless of the outcome of this season. We're supposed to be seeing the A+ version of him right now being that he's auditioning for the best possible contract during this upcoming offseason. And what we're learning is that this version of him doesn't bode well for the identity of this team - whatever that identity is.

Just let the team crash and burn and allow Cuban to operate in a sense of desperation this offseason. He'll be more willing to spend money via this approach.

SMC0007 · 03-02-2023, 10:55 AM

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I think Irving rolls out regardless of the outcome of this season. We're supposed to be seeing the A+ version of him right now being that he's auditioning for the best possible contract during this upcoming offseason. And what we're learning is that this version of him doesn't bode well for the identity of this team - whatever that identity is.

Just let the team crash and burn and allow Cuban to operate in a sense of desperation this offseason. He'll be more willing to spend money via this approach.

I'm betting big that Kai is gone. Ray Charles can see the state of this organization. Luka or not. What player wants to take this on, especially a player that has a good look at the inside? The newness will wear off right on time and we'll be lucky to extract anything out of the move to get him.

I'm not seeing near what I thought I would from Kryie either. He isn't showing the leadership I hoped for. He's not taking over when we need it. It's just flashes of brilliance on offense then stretches where he's stagnant. I know what he's capable of but there is no consistency.

Simon2 · 03-02-2023, 09:39 AM

If Mavs keep losing with two All-stars, let?s see how long Kidd lasts. Never though Kidd would take them to the promised land.

saclare · 03-02-2023, 12:02 PM

I mean, isn't that the fall back of the trade though? I know the term cap space will make some squirm here, but our situation was kind of fucked prior to the trade. Now, I wish we could make it even better by somehow offloading THJ/Bertans contracts, but the Mavs will have flexibility, for whatever that is worth. Kyrie still represents an asset in a SnT as he could use as leverage for higher pay. Of course, the idea is it all gels and everyone is happy and wants to run it back, but we all know how that goes in today's game.

SMC0007 · 03-02-2023, 12:18 PM

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I mean, isn't that the fall back of the trade though? I know the term cap space will make some squirm here, but our situation was kind of fucked prior to the trade. Now, I wish we could make it even better by somehow offloading THJ/Bertans contracts, but the Mavs will have flexibility, for whatever that is worth. Kyrie still represents an asset in a SnT as he could use as leverage for higher pay. Of course, the idea is it all gels and everyone is happy and wants to run it back, but we all know how that goes in today's game.

In theory having room to upgrade or replace guys is nice. However, who has any confidence that we can lure the talent we need in FA? There's are a few guys who are legit difference makers in general. There's also a handful of guys who would make a big difference for us as built. We just don't know what voids we are going to have to fill.

BPo001 · 03-02-2023, 12:15 PM

Is this what Tim McMahon was hinting at when he said Mavs were looking at Ayton, but in the future. SnT Kyrie for Ayton plus filler?

mac222b · 03-02-2023, 05:20 PM

I was absolutely against the Kidd hire. Par for the Cuban course as far as I?m concerned. Hired for the wrong reasons. Just like Nico. Clearly, as long as Cuban is around the clown show will continue.

EricaLubarsky · 03-02-2023, 05:26 PM

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I was absolutely against the Kidd hire. Par for the Cuban course as far as I?m concerned. Hired for the wrong reasons. Just like Nico. Clearly, as long as Cuban is around the clown show will continue.

I agree with you on everything except Nico.

Donnie was a real piece of @#$@ who Cuban kept way too long. He's why we're in this mess in the first place. Donnie needed to be gone and Nico was the best option out there.

mac222b · 03-02-2023, 06:04 PM

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I agree with you on everything except Nico.

Donnie was a real piece of @#$@ who Cuban kept way too long. He's why we're in this mess in the first place. Donnie needed to be gone and Nico was the best option out there.

I don?t think Nico was the best option. Masai Ujiri was. Cuban would rather pay novice Nico 3m or whatever he makes than the 14m Masai got from Toronto. Nico seems like a nice guy, but this is all new to him. Doesn?t mean he can?t be a great ?GM? but there is a huge learning curve.

Melonhead · 03-11-2023, 10:51 PM

?It?s just another game?

-Kidd

Simon2 · 03-11-2023, 10:27 PM

Wood had 14 pts and DP had 4. Why no Wood to end the game. Kidd is out of his mind.

Simon2 · 03-12-2023, 11:14 AM

Who is out there aside fro Udoka? Options for HC

rimrocker · 03-27-2023, 02:39 AM

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Who is out there aside fro Udoka? Options for HC

Stotts
Vogel

Melonhead · 03-12-2023, 01:30 PM

Mike Dantoni

EricaLubarsky · 03-12-2023, 02:10 PM

Ha! Imagine D'Antoni with Luka

D'Antoni: run
Luka: huffs and then is injured

purplefrog · 03-13-2023, 11:50 AM

Is Morris now chiming in with an opinion?...Is this about Kidd?

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Might be sour grapes since he is getting zero playing time. But then again, that's part of the problem.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-13-2023, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Ha! Imagine D'Antoni with Luka

D'Antoni: run
Luka: huffs and then is injured

Then it's the Hardy and Green show. He is hired.

MFFL · 03-17-2023, 06:19 PM

Mavs fans the angriest in the NBA

https://www.audacy.com/1053thefan/sp...yoMogAPPxVt3rA

EricaLubarsky · 03-17-2023, 06:45 PM

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Mavs fans the angriest in the NBA

https://www.audacy.com/1053thefan/sp...yoMogAPPxVt3rA

The fuck we are!!! Fight me.

Simon2 · 03-13-2023, 11:45 PM

If the coach doesn?t care about making the playoffs, why should the fans care too? Why would the players even care? If they don?t make the playoffs, there is always next year. What a cr@p attitude.

purplefrog · 03-14-2023, 10:28 AM

The two main reasons for the Mavs poor record are:
1). Poorly constructed roster
2). Dumbass Coach

To a large extent it is both 1 and 2, but Kidd's poor coaching is by far the biggest contributor. If you look at the roster with fresh eyes you can now see Green and Hardy are capable of making major contributions. This translates into a playoff ready team that should be competitive. The center position is by far the weakest but a good coach would be able to address that with a "center by committee" approach where each option gets some burn every night but the PT distribution is determined by the opponent and specific matchups. This is not a terrible roster:

Guards - Luka, Kyrie, Green, Hardy
SF - Bullock, Holiday, Hardaway
PF - Wood, Morris
C - Kleber, McGee, Powell
Deep Bench - Bertans, Frank, Pinson

The talent with that roster is more than enough to be competitive in the West this year, but Kidd is just incompetent. He would rather play mind games with the players and media than actually coach basketball. He might be having fun, but the Mavs fandom is most certainly not enjoying this ride.

Simon2 · 03-18-2023, 10:37 AM

Of course the fans are angry. We have two hall of famers. A good big man and the coach is an idiot. The fans see so much potential in the roster but the weakness is coaching. Good players will walk because the coach is screwing them up

Melonhead · 03-20-2023, 11:37 PM

Kidd doesn?t believe in taking timeouts because it shows you don?t trust your guys.

He has literally the dumbest quotes I?ve ever heard in my life in the entirety of sports. I?m one season no less.

saclare · 03-21-2023, 09:08 AM

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Kidd doesn?t believe in taking timeouts because it shows you don?t trust your guys.

He has literally the dumbest quotes I?ve ever heard in my life in the entirety of sports. I?m one season no less.

Yea at the beginning of the Grizzlies run where the Mavs still had 4 timeouts, I kept waiting for the whistle. That Kidd quote is solely for the end of game type of situations and I hope he doesn't truly believe in that throughout a game. He let the crowd get back into the game and right behind that was the opponents confidence as shots kept falling, or that they just wanted it more...

Simon2 · 03-23-2023, 08:24 AM

Please don?t protest. It looks like Mave are cry babies. It is the fault of the coaching staff. No one to blame except the people who were asleep at the wheel.

BigDog63 · 03-25-2023, 09:45 AM

I'm good with the protest. They're not going to 'win' it, but might address similar situation in the future, for any team. Even the refs were confused.

Mavs Maniac · 04-04-2023, 06:45 PM

Soooooo, who's our next coach??

purplefrog · 04-05-2023, 04:22 PM

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Soooooo, who's our next coach??

Total speculation but..

https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/new...blo-laso-rumor

Melonhead · 04-05-2023, 04:30 PM

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Total speculation but..

https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/new...blo-laso-rumor

Honestly hope that?s not true. Has the potential to be a huge backfire for Luka and the team if it didn?t work out.

purplefrog · 04-05-2023, 04:34 PM

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Honestly hope that?s not true. Has the potential to be a huge backfire for Luka and the team if it didn?t work out.

Pablo on Luka's frustrations...

https://basketnews.com/news-187252-p...ustration.html

SMC0007 · 04-06-2023, 12:00 AM

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Pablo on Luka's frustrations...

https://basketnews.com/news-187252-p...ustration.html

I love this mentality, but I'm old school. I don't know much about Pablo Laso but I like that he knows Doncic well and hasn't had a problem telling him how it is. It's harsh for the softness of this day and age, but I love the comment about Luka.

BPo001 · 04-11-2023, 11:08 AM

Nurse would be amazing. Kidd has made me forget what it?s like to have a coach that well? coaches.