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Melonhead · 06-19-2022, 05:33 AM

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And on that note, the trade for Wood makes me that much more glad we parted with Carlisle, because I just have a feeling that Carlisle and Wood would be a toxic combination. Very few coaches have as much of a reputation for being disliked by players as Carlisle does.

Very important but overlooked point. Anytime fans discuss free agency, two questions that inevitably had to come up: would he fit/adapt into Carlisle?s system and would Rick have problems with said player.

Initially, I was very anti Kidd all off-season, but I was still excited to see the team without Carlisle.

EricaLubarsky · 06-19-2022, 08:57 AM

It?s not always fair to blame a GM for moves they didn?t make. We don?t know what was available

But holy shit Nico has in one season outdone everything that Donnie did since he drafted Luka and Jalen

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-19-2022, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

It?s not always fair to blame a GM for moves they didn?t make. We don?t know what was available

But holy shit Nico has in one season outdone everything that Donnie did since he drafted Luka and Jalen

Oh it's fair. And the fact that Donnie is suing the Mavs because they didn't make him GM for eternity begs the question whether he was purposely sabotaging moves near the end of his tenure. FA 2019 til the day he was fired has to be some of the worst GMing in league history.

This move is full proof in almost every way. It's hilarious seeing reactions from Lakers fans that they can't make moves like this because the league and teams are out to get them. LMAO.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-19-2022, 01:02 PM

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Oh it's fair. And the fact that Donnie is suing the Mavs because they didn't make him GM for eternity begs the question whether he was purposely sabotaging moves near the end of his tenure. FA 2019 til the day he was fired has to be some of the worst GMing in league history.

This move is full proof in almost every way. It's hilarious seeing reactions from Lakers fans that they can't make moves like this because the league and teams are out to get them. LMAO.

20+ years of bad drafting is the biggest indictment against Donnie. In Donnie's entire tenure, I can count on one hand the number of Mavs first round picks that weren't completely wasted. And that INCLUDES Dirk and Luka. Josh Howard, Devin Harris, Dennis Smith Jr.... That's it.

While the Wood trade was an absolute home run- grand slam- even, I'm really looking forward to seeing how well Nico can draft. Because I firmly believe that smart drafting the bedrock of how great teams are built. All the good trades in the world can't make up for bad drafting. Even if you're a title contender drafting near the bottom every year, a great GM can and needs to find value with those late picks to keep the title window open. The Spurs did it year after year after year. The Warriors got Jordan Poole at #28. There are countless examples. I'm not saying you have to get stars, but you at least need guys who are solid rotation players and can contribute to winning basketball.

That's why I'm desperately hoping Josh Green actually becomes something. We really needed to hit on that pick, because we're probably not going to have a better one any time in the foreseeable future. He's still only 21, so I haven't written him off yet, but man, for the first two years, that has basically been a wasted pick, and we CANNOT afford to waste our picks. It hurts to think how much better off and how much closer to a title we'd be if we had drafted Desmond Bane like everyone in the basketball world was saying we should instead of Josh "Who the F*ck Are You" Green.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-19-2022, 01:16 PM

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20+ years of bad drafting is the biggest indictment against Donnie. In Donnie's entire tenure, I can count on one hand the number of Mavs first round picks that weren't completely wasted. And that INCLUDES Dirk and Luka. Josh Howard, Devin Harris, Dennis Smith Jr.... That's it.

While the Wood trade was an absolute home run- grand slam- even, I'm really looking forward to seeing how well Nico can draft. Because I firmly believe that smart drafting the bedrock of how great teams are built. All the good trades in the world can't make up for bad drafting. Even if you're a title contender drafting near the bottom every year, a great GM can and needs to find value with those late picks to keep the title window open. The Spurs did it year after year after year. The Warriors got Jordan Poole at #28. There are countless examples. I'm not saying you have to get stars, but you at least need guys who are solid rotation players and can contribute to winning basketball.

That's why I'm desperately hoping Josh Green actually becomes something. We really needed to hit on that pick, because we're probably not going to have a better one any time in the foreseeable future. He's still only 21, so I haven't written him off yet, but man, for the first two years, that has basically been a wasted pick, and we CANNOT afford to waste our picks. It hurts to think how much better off and how much closer to a title we'd be if we had drafted Desmond Bane like everyone in the basketball world was saying we should instead of Josh "Who the F*ck Are You" Green.

^^ In total fairness to Donnie though, he DID want Giannis, and Cuban vetoed it for a minuscule amount of cash so we would could swing and miss on Dwight Howard... again. So at least in that instance, it's not Donnie's fault that we passed on one of the top 20 players of all time for literally nothing.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-19-2022, 05:22 PM

lol here is the difference between Powell and Wood.

https://twitter.com/Pagor93/status/1...558592/photo/1

Thespiralgoeson · 06-19-2022, 06:32 PM

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lol here is the difference between Powell and Wood.

https://twitter.com/Pagor93/status/1...558592/photo/1

Christian Wood- Actual NBA player. Borderline star.

Dwight Powell- Not good enough to play in the NBA anymore. Might do well in the G League.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-19-2022, 08:57 PM

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Christian Wood- Actual NBA player. Borderline star.

Dwight Powell- Not good enough to play in the NBA anymore. Might do well in the G League.

Literally one of the top 4 offensive centers in the league. This move is huge if he keeps his head straight. Although, all I've heard is anecdotal stuff mostly. I know he refused to go back in a game against Denver, but I haven't seen any other concrete head case stuff.

NeedlesKane · 06-19-2022, 11:27 PM

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Christian Wood- Actual NBA player. Borderline star.

Dwight Powell- Not good enough to play in the NBA anymore. Might do well in the G League.

Lmao. I read that as Dwight Howard rather than Dwight Powell. I need to slow down.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-19-2022, 11:53 PM

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Lmao. I read that as Dwight Howard rather than Dwight Powell. I need to slow down.

Dwight Howard would actually be a good fit here. We still need that bigger, bruiser type of big.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-20-2022, 02:01 PM

This is an excellent article and one that highlights what I said about Wood's ability to defend on the perimeter. It also spotlights his terribleness as post defender.

But that perimeter defense is going to be more key IMO. With the way switches happen at lightning speed, you gotta cover basically anyone you're switched on. Just have to figure out a strategy to hide him in post iso D.

https://www.dmagazine.com/sports/202...vericks-trade/

tap2390 · 06-20-2022, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

This is an excellent article and one that highlights what I said about Wood's ability to defend on the perimeter. It also spotlights his terribleness as post defender.

But that perimeter defense is going to be more key IMO. With the way switches happen at lightning speed, you gotta cover basically anyone you're switched on. Just have to figure out a strategy to hide him in post iso D.

https://www.dmagazine.com/sports/202...vericks-trade/

Excellent article with an objective data-based look at Wood. Thank you for sharing. Franko is a great writer.

I suspect we will add another 2/3 and another center.

tap2390 · 06-20-2022, 02:24 PM

Luka - $36.6m
Brunson - $22m???
DFS - $12.5m
Bull - $10m
Wood - $14.3m

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THJ - $19.6m
Dinwiddie - $20.2m
Maxi - $9m
Bertans - $16m
Green - $3.1m

Ntlikina - $2m
Powell - $11m
???
???
Pinson - $vetmin

To expand on what I was saying above, we have three roster spots, I think we will end up using two.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-20-2022, 02:30 PM

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Excellent article with an objective data-based look at Wood. Thank you for sharing. Franko is a great writer.

I suspect we will add another 2/3 and another center.

Well that potential on perimeter D means you can think about bringing Bullock off the bench. I just don't want to start Kleber because I feel he is still being overused. I'd rather move Powell and get someone else to start like a D. Howard, McGee, Biyombo-type.

germanmav · 06-20-2022, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

Luka - $36.6m
Brunson - $22m???
DFS - $12.5m
Bull - $10m
Wood - $14.3m

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THJ - $19.6m
Maxi - $9m
Bertans - $16m
Green - $3.1m
Ntlikina - $2m

Powell - $11m
???
???
???
Pinson - $vetmin

To expand on what I was saying above, we have three roster spots, I think we will end up using two.

You are missing Spence.

EricaLubarsky · 06-20-2022, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

This is an excellent article and one that highlights what I said about Wood's ability to defend on the perimeter. It also spotlights his terribleness as post defender.

But that perimeter defense is going to be more key IMO. With the way switches happen at lightning speed, you gotta cover basically anyone you're switched on. Just have to figure out a strategy to hide him in post iso D.

https://www.dmagazine.com/sports/202...vericks-trade/

Does anyone post-iso?

Giannis, KAT, and Embiid? Anyone else that is both a threat and actually isos in the post?

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-20-2022, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Does anyone post-iso?

Giannis, KAT, and Embiid? Anyone else that is both a threat and actually isos in the post?

That's a good question, but the stats do back up that centers score against him in at will in those situations. And generally, it doesn't seem like he is a good man defender against centers.

But that really wouldn't have mattered in this year's playoffs as the centers he would be against are offensively bad Gobert, inconsistent Ayton, and Looney. Which I'm sure was part of the reason the Mavs pulled the trigger. His offense and rebounding make up for the lack of man D.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-20-2022, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

This is an excellent article and one that highlights what I said about Wood's ability to defend on the perimeter. It also spotlights his terribleness as post defender.

But that perimeter defense is going to be more key IMO. With the way switches happen at lightning speed, you gotta cover basically anyone you're switched on. Just have to figure out a strategy to hide him in post iso D.

https://www.dmagazine.com/sports/202...vericks-trade/

Good article and great data. However, I'm not sure I agree with the writer's assumption- which in fairness seems to be everyone's assumption- that the Mavs' biggest weakness coming into this offseason was rim protection. Given that the Mavs were one of the best defensive teams in the league this year, it seems odd to me that the consensus is that their fatal weakness is a lack of defense. Yes, the defense got exposed against the Warriors. But I think what got exposed worse was the fact that the Mavs had virtually no frontcourt production in general. No defense. But no offense either. And worse of all, no rebounding. Rebounding was by far and away the teams biggest weakness- we got outrebounded by over 11 per game against the Warriors. It's really no wonder they destroyed us when you think about that number alone.

Powell is absolutely useless except for like his two lob catches per game. And Kleber is a good 3 and D big, but he's not a great rebounder and if the 3 isn't falling, then he's useless on offense too. Now rim protection will still be an issue, sure, but simply swapping out Powell, who I honestly think was probably the worst starting center in the league this year, for Wood who is one of the best offensive bigs in the league will make the team a lot better. Even more so when you add in that he's an elite defensive rebounder.

Add another 3 and D wing and a shot blocking big off the bench, and this team could be absolutely legit. I'm talking 60 wins legit.

The writer here alluded to Wood being effective defensively when paired with another big. Even though I expect DFS/Wood to be our starting 4/5, I really look forward to seeing the minutes where's playing with Kleber and/or a another big we add this offseason. With those combinations, the Mavs could go from being one of the worst rebounding teams to one of the best.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-20-2022, 06:07 PM

^^ I also am not sure I agree with Franko's assertion that Wood with be the third or fourth option on offense. Honestly I think there's a good chance Wood ends up being the second option. He's that good.

tap2390 · 06-21-2022, 07:07 AM

If the plan is to start Wood at the 4 and play a little bigger this season I think the most likely candidates to start at the 5 are someone like Biyombo or Drummond. I personally would still like to see us bring in someone like Hartenstein. There?s no reason our 5 has to be a bruiser who?s limited on offense. We might be priced out of Hartenstein however.

Given our dire cap situation don?t be surprised if we waive Ntlikina to save $2m + luxury tax. I?m still hopeful we can trade Powell into someone?s TE.

EricaLubarsky · 06-21-2022, 08:05 AM

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If the plan is to start Wood at the 4 and play a little bigger this season I think the most likely candidates to start at the 5 are someone like Biyombo or Drummond. I personally would still like to see us bring in someone like Hartenstein. There?s no reason our 5 has to be a bruiser who?s limited on offense. We might be priced out of Hartenstein however.

Given our dire cap situation don?t be surprised if we waive Ntlikina to save $2m + luxury tax. I?m still hopeful we can trade Powell into someone?s TE.

Frank?s 2 million is the veteran minimum for a guy with five years experience

If we were to cut him, we?d have the same 2mill hold on our roster for the empty roster spot. It makes zero sense to cut him.

We?re also somewhere between over the cap (without Brunson) and deep in the tax (with Brunson) so about the only thing we have is 6.4mill a year and I?m fairly certain Hartenstein will get the full MLE of 10.1

tap2390 · 06-21-2022, 11:12 AM

Empty roster cap holes are only applicable if a team has less than 12 players. Regardless, we are not saving $2 million by waiving Frankie, we are saving $2m + luxury tax.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-21-2022, 11:29 AM

All this talk of the luxury tax frankly makes me despise the concept of the tax itself and makes me really wish the league would get rid of it. Ostensibly, the purpose of the luxury tax is to discourage wealthier teams from just spending more money than poorer teams can afford to. When you think about it though, it seems to have the exact opposite effect. Who are the few teams that are going to be undeterred by the luxury tax? The ones with the most money, of course. Which teams are going to be scared off by the tax? The ones that can't afford to pay it, obviously.

Owners should be encouraged to spend lavishly on their teams, not discouraged. The league should not be punishing owners for putting winning above their other business priorities. The absolute worst thing an owner can be is a cheapskate.

SMC0007 · 06-21-2022, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Does anyone post-iso?

Giannis, KAT, and Embiid? Anyone else that is both a threat and actually isos in the post?

Jokic sometimes. But Embiid is pretty much the only back down threat left. I'm unconcerned with post iso defense. Just get fvcking rebounds team.

SMC0007 · 06-21-2022, 04:19 PM

Has anyone seen anything about what Wood thinks of the trade? I'm sure he's happy about it but has he given any quotes or anythingfloating around on Twitter?

saclare · 06-22-2022, 03:58 PM

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Has anyone seen anything about what Wood thinks of the trade? I'm sure he's happy about it but has he given any quotes or anythingfloating around on Twitter?

Can't be official until tomorrow night when the pick can be traded.

BPo001 · 06-24-2022, 09:05 AM

Tim MacMahon: Christian Wood is entering a contract year. Asked if he?s a long-term fit with Mavs, GM Nico Harrison said, ?I think we both offer each other a lot. We?ll have to do a little bit of showing him, and he?ll have to do a little bit of showing us.? ? via Twitter espn_macmahon

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-24-2022, 09:28 AM

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Tim MacMahon: Christian Wood is entering a contract year. Asked if he?s a long-term fit with Mavs, GM Nico Harrison said, ?I think we both offer each other a lot. We?ll have to do a little bit of showing him, and he?ll have to do a little bit of showing us.? ? via Twitter espn_macmahon

Goddamn I love Nico Harrison. Such a breathe of fresh air after Howdy Doody Donnie talk. It's rare to see a GM so candid about the current situation.

SMC0007 · 06-24-2022, 05:27 PM

Can someone call and get a fvcking quote from C Wood already?!

Kidd Karma · 06-24-2022, 05:58 PM

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All this talk of the luxury tax frankly makes me despise the concept of the tax itself and makes me really wish the league would get rid of it. Ostensibly, the purpose of the luxury tax is to discourage wealthier teams from just spending more money than poorer teams can afford to. When you think about it though, it seems to have the exact opposite effect. Who are the few teams that are going to be undeterred by the luxury tax? The ones with the most money, of course. Which teams are going to be scared off by the tax? The ones that can't afford to pay it, obviously.

Owners should be encouraged to spend lavishly on their teams, not discouraged. The league should not be punishing owners for putting winning above their other business priorities. The absolute worst thing an owner can be is a cheapskate.

Exactly, winning should be awarded, you get to the conference finals, you should have all taxes rescinded. You get to the playoffs, taxes go down 50%.

Zeus · 06-24-2022, 11:35 PM

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Exactly, winning should be awarded, you get to the conference finals, you should have all taxes rescinded. You get to the playoffs, taxes go down 50%.

I for one dont care how much tax an owner worth 5 billion pays vs. an owner or ownership group worth 20 billion. These are all non issues in my mind.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-25-2022, 02:27 PM

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Can someone call and get a fvcking quote from C Wood already?!

Last night on his twitter-

"Huge opportunity in Dallas I?m excited .."

Thespiralgoeson · 06-25-2022, 02:35 PM

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I for one dont care how much tax an owner worth 5 billion pays vs. an owner or ownership group worth 20 billion. These are all non issues in my mind.

I don't care either how much tax they pay on a personal level, but I DO care about how it affects the NBA product. Owners are being deterred from spending money to improve their rosters. The luxury tax encourages owners to be cheapskates and punishes them for caring more about winning than their other business obligations. It makes for a lousier product.

SMC0007 · 06-25-2022, 04:04 PM

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Last night on his twitter-

"Huge opportunity in Dallas I?m excited .."

Yes. I saw he had a cpl posts. Thanks mate

Dtownsfinest · 06-25-2022, 04:15 PM

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I don't care either how much tax they pay on a personal level, but I DO care about how it affects the NBA product. Owners are being deterred from spending money to improve their rosters. The luxury tax encourages owners to be cheapskates and punishes them for caring more about winning than their other business obligations. It makes for a lousier product.

I just don't know how you can be serious bout contending but don't want to pay luxury tax. Warriors and Clippers pay the most. Its a advantage they have.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-25-2022, 04:47 PM

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I just don't know how you can be serious bout contending but don't want to pay luxury tax. Warriors and Clippers pay the most. Its a advantage they have.

I mean, I agree in theory, but it's not just about "want." A lot of teams literally can't afford to. So again, it has the exact opposite of its intended effect. It was supposed to prevent EXACTLY this problem- big market teams just being able to outspend small market teams. The intent was to mitigate the advantage that teams like the Warriors and Clippers have. Instead, it increased their advantages.

And again, just on basic principle, I think owners should be encouraged to spend, not discouraged.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-25-2022, 05:58 PM

Wood and Harden only played like 8 games together, but looking at Wood's Rockets debut, the two-man game between them was fantastic. I absolutely cannot wait to see what Luka can do with this guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc-62nJ6Mkk

tap2390 · 06-25-2022, 06:22 PM

I've been harping for a while to get Luka a pick and roll partner. As good as our offense has been, it hasn't even come close to Luka's second year before Dwight's achilles injury. I expect that we will have the best offense in the league by a wide margin this upcoming season.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-25-2022, 06:30 PM

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I've been harping for a while to get Luka a pick and roll partner. As good as our offense has been, it hasn't even come close to Luka's second year before Dwight's achilles injury. I expect that we will have the best offense in the league by a wide margin this upcoming season.

Exactly. Frankly I think Wood is what we were all hoping Porzingis would be- a devastating pick and roll big man, who can do pretty much everything on offense. He's not just a "roll" man, he can handle the ball and isolate pretty well too. Not to mention .39 3pt% and he's an elite defensive rebounder too. I'm absolutely salivating.

While the starting lineup I'm sure will be DFS and Wood, what I'm really looking forward to seeing is the minutes were Wood is out there with Maxi. The defense and the rebounding with those lineups should be stout. For all the (justified) complaints about Wood's defense, apparently he was much better defensively when paired with another big.

tap2390 · 06-25-2022, 07:05 PM

Completely agree the Maxi-Wood pairing should be excellent. I do wish we had an enforcer to bang inside. I hope that's the second thing we address in free agency (the first being JB).