Skip Bayliss has an interesting take on the MVP Award - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

fluid.forty.one · 01-10-2007, 03:17 PM

He thinks nash should get it because he is playing "better" than Dirk and Kobe.

Uhhhh lol. He backed this up by pointing how his trick shots/passes. Hey Skip, why don't teams just draft and1 kids. The Professor for MVP!

He also said that Dallas is better than Suns so that should somehow go against Dirk.

He also said that Marion would just be "another guy" if it weren't for Nash. He forgot to mention Amare altogether.

I get the argument for nash as a catalyst, but it's a JOKE to say he's a better basketball player (even just at the moment) than Dirk and Kobe.

Xylus · 01-10-2007, 04:06 PM

I'm a Suns fan and I think Nash is the frontrunner for MVP at the current moment, but Skip Bayless is a goddamn moron in all facets of the word. For one thing, the only thing that might hurt Dirk's chances are if Josh Howard continues to improve and carries a bigger load than before. The fact that Dallas is 1st in the league helps Dirk, though.

Marion was averaging just about 20 and 10 before Nash got there. If anything, Shawn Marion is the only player on the Suns who works for just about everything he gets, and doesn't rely much on Nash at all.

With that said, Nash is still the best player in the NBA right now, though Dirk and Kobe could certainly contend for that honor.

Five-ofan · 01-10-2007, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Xylus

I'm a Suns fan and I think Nash is the frontrunner for MVP at the current moment, but Skip Bayless is a goddamn moron in all facets of the word. For one thing, the only thing that might hurt Dirk's chances are if Josh Howard continues to improve and carries a bigger load than before. The fact that Dallas is 1st in the league helps Dirk, though.

Marion was averaging just about 20 and 10 before Nash got there. If anything, Shawn Marion is the only player on the Suns who works for just about everything he gets, and doesn't rely much on Nash at all.

With that said, Nash is still the best player in the NBA right now, though Dirk and Kobe could certainly contend for that honor.

thanks for being civil and actually noticing that Marion was good before nash but Dirk and kobe and wade and duncan and lebron are all clearly better basketball players than nash.

Flacolaco · 01-10-2007, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Xylus

I'm a Suns fan and I think Nash is the frontrunner for MVP at the current moment, but Skip Bayless is a goddamn moron in all facets of the word. For one thing, the only thing that might hurt Dirk's chances are if Josh Howard continues to improve and carries a bigger load than before. The fact that Dallas is 1st in the league helps Dirk, though.

Marion was averaging just about 20 and 10 before Nash got there. If anything, Shawn Marion is the only player on the Suns who works for just about everything he gets, and doesn't rely much on Nash at all.

With that said, Nash is still the best player in the NBA right now, though Dirk and Kobe could certainly contend for that honor.

Enjoy your regular season success.

All the best,

-Mav fans

FINtastic · 01-10-2007, 04:15 PM

I might go jump off a cliff if Nash wins it again because I can't live in a world where people are dumb enough to give Nash 3 straight MVP Awards. I just can't.

Marion just another guy? The guy was putting up close to 20 and 10 before Nash ever got there. Nash is a very good player, but he's so ridiculously overrated right now it's not even funny.

rmacomic · 01-10-2007, 04:18 PM

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I might go jump off a cliff if Nash wins it again because I can't live in a world where people are dumb enough to give Nash 3 straight MVP Awards. I just can't.

Marion just another guy? The guy was putting up close to 20 and 10 before Nash ever got there. Nash is a very good player, but he's so ridiculously overrated right now it's not even funny.

I can live with it. The mvp has become window dressing for teams that won't win it all.

FINtastic · 01-10-2007, 04:16 PM

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With that said, Nash is still the best player in the NBA right now

No, no, and no.

RePLAY · 01-10-2007, 04:20 PM

with NAsh winning 2 in a row..he should be expected to keep playing that way. You dont need another damn award! Give it to Kobe or Dirk!

dalmations202 · 01-10-2007, 04:24 PM

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With that said, Nash is still the best player in the NBA right now

Is he in the top 50 defensively?
Is he in the top 20 scoring?
Is he in the top 50 rebounding?
Is he in the top 50 shot blockers?
Since he is a guard, how about top 50 in steals?
Is he in the top 20 with the ability to score one on one?

I'll give you Nash is excellent at running the show, excellent passer, good offensive player, and very smart within the game. MVP to the league though, only from a $$$ standard of wanting to promote an image. He is nothing more than a media darling. He is not close to the best overall player in the league.

dirno2000 · 01-10-2007, 05:08 PM

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Is he in the top 50 defensively?
Is he in the top 20 scoring?
Is he in the top 50 rebounding?
Is he in the top 50 shot blockers?
Since he is a guard, how about top 50 in steals?
Is he in the top 20 with the ability to score one on one?

I'll give you Nash is excellent at running the show, excellent passer, good offensive player, and very smart within the game. MVP to the league though, only from a $$$ standard of wanting to promote an image. He is nothing more than a media darling. He is not close to the best overall player in the league.

I'm not usually one to defend Nash but I definitly think that he's in the top 20 when it comes to one one one scoring ability. I'm pretty sure he could put up 28-29 a game if he wanted to.

On topic, I don't think the media will give it to him 3 straight years unless he's the clear cut best player in the league and he's not. The irony is that this is probably his best year.

atrewsfan · 01-11-2007, 12:47 AM

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Is he in the top 50 defensively?
Is he in the top 20 scoring?
Is he in the top 50 rebounding?
Is he in the top 50 shot blockers?
Since he is a guard, how about top 50 in steals?
Is he in the top 20 with the ability to score one on one?

Did John Stockton ever finish high in any of those categories? No? Doesn't mean he wasn't one of the league's top players.

Five-ofan · 01-11-2007, 12:53 AM

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Did John Stockton ever finish high in any of those categories? No? Doesn't mean he wasn't one of the league's top players.

stockton is the all time leader in steals and was top 50 defensively for his time in the league... he also never got serious consideration for mvp and was signifigantly better than nash... i dont think that those things are what i would qualify the mvp by though so i see your point.

Five-ofan · 01-10-2007, 04:36 PM

any facebookers on here join my group, dirk nowitzki for mvp

aexchange · 01-10-2007, 04:37 PM

if by interesting take you meant, idiotic.

ok.

otherwise the next time i agree with any skip bayliss has to say will be the first time.

nashtymavsfan13 · 01-10-2007, 04:46 PM

Skip Bayliss is an utter moron. I like Nash as much as anyone on here, but there is no way he is the best player in the NBA, no way he's better than Dirk and Kobe, and no way he deserves a 3rd straight MVP award.

Stranger · 01-10-2007, 05:05 PM

I thought it was part of the new collective bargaining agreement that Steve Nash was to win every MVP award until he retired?

I mean, 3 straight MVPs is the least he deserves. Don't forget, this guy's team scores 110 points per game, and he only plays with two other perennial all-stars. Are you guys trying to say he's not in the class of Bill Russell, Kareem, Wilt, and Larry Bird?

rabbitproof · 01-10-2007, 05:38 PM

Nash winning the first one was a total shocker - who woulda thunk it?!

Nash winning the second one was like almost anti-climatic - the original movie was so shockingly bad, the sequel had no shock value left. Bad was expected and bad was delivered.

Nash winning a third one will be shocking again - the 2 is the piggyback but who expects three movies to come out of one bad story?

rmacomic · 01-10-2007, 06:01 PM

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Nash winning the first one was a total shocker - who woulda thunk it?!

Nash winning the second one was like almost anti-climatic - the original movie was so shockingly bad, the sequel had no shock value left. Bad was expected and bad was delivered.

Nash winning a third one will be shocking again - the 2 is the piggyback but who expects three movies to come out of one bad story?

I dunno? Did you see Saw? I saw Saw? Did you see Saw 2? I saw Saw 2 too.

Dirkadirkastan · 01-10-2007, 07:36 PM

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I dunno? Did you see Saw? I saw Saw? Did you see Saw 2? I saw Saw 2 too.

I stared at this post longer than any other in this thread.

bernardos70 · 01-10-2007, 11:32 PM

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I dunno? Did you see Saw? I saw Saw? Did you see Saw 2? I saw Saw 2 too.

lol......... Good stuff.

EricaLubarsky · 01-10-2007, 06:21 PM

Nash is the most overrated player in the league. The Suns don't even need Nash. Calling him extremely valuable to his team is a joke. Calling him MOST valuable? Bullcrap. Show me a team that can win at nearly the same clip regardless of whether or not their MVP plays and I will show you an undeserving MVP.

Thespiralgoeson · 01-10-2007, 06:52 PM

Nash winning the award last year was so ridiculous that the award has no meaning anymore. Hell, they might as well just go ahead and give him another one now.

Steve Nash being named the NBA's most valuble player is sorta like OJ Simpson being found not guilty. Some people are just stupid.

chumdawg · 01-10-2007, 11:23 PM

Kobe seems to be the clear frontrunner right now for the award. Nash will always be up there. If anything, their continued excellence with him at the helm gives credence to his first two awards (Erica, what in the hell are you talking about???), particularly with all their roster turnover. Dirk rounds out the worthy trifecta. Well, I guess LBJ gets consideration, too.

But it looks like Kobe, to me.

EricaLubarsky · 01-11-2007, 12:09 AM

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Kobe seems to be the clear frontrunner right now for the award. Nash will always be up there. If anything, their continued excellence with him at the helm gives credence to his first two awards (Erica, what in the hell are you talking about???), particularly with all their roster turnover. Dirk rounds out the worthy trifecta. Well, I guess LBJ gets consideration, too.

But it looks like Kobe, to me.

Roster turnover? They play well with or without him and what important pieces did the Suns add? Sounds like its just a killer system rather than an MVP.

kg_veteran · 01-11-2007, 11:35 AM

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Kobe seems to be the clear frontrunner right now for the award. Nash will always be up there. If anything, their continued excellence with him at the helm gives credence to his first two awards (Erica, what in the hell are you talking about???), particularly with all their roster turnover. Dirk rounds out the worthy trifecta. Well, I guess LBJ gets consideration, too.

But it looks like Kobe, to me.

Interesting. You think the MVP is coming from the No. 6 seed in the West?

WurzburgBorn · 01-10-2007, 11:28 PM

Dirk was so obviously the MVP last season, that I'm not even going to bother making an argument this season. It doesn't matter anymore. Nash is Eric Snow compared to Dirk. Lebron James and Kobe do NOT make their teams better the way that Dirk does.

V2M · 01-11-2007, 09:59 PM

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Dirk was so obviously the MVP last season, that I'm not even going to bother making an argument this season. It doesn't matter anymore. Nash is Eric Snow compared to Dirk. Lebron James and Kobe do NOT make their teams better the way that Dirk does.

Word

Nemesis · 01-11-2007, 01:12 AM

Skip has a bit.. let him have his gay bit.. he constantly contradicts his sports-core beliefs every year..

u2sarajevo · 01-11-2007, 01:16 AM

Troy Aikman is gay.

rmacomic · 01-11-2007, 01:18 AM

Skip Bayliss has Woody Paige for brains.
BTW, Woody Paige = Sh*t

fluid.forty.one · 01-11-2007, 01:45 PM

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Skip Bayliss has Woody Paige for brains.
BTW, Woody Paige = Sh*t

I love Woody Paige. He just does dumb stuff to be funny, and it works for him. He actually knows what he's talking about if you actually listen to his points.

Five-ofan · 01-11-2007, 02:14 PM

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I love Woody Paige. He just does dumb stuff to be funny, and it works for him. He actually knows what he's talking about if you actually listen to his points.

Actually he doesnt.

nashtymavsfan13 · 01-11-2007, 04:15 PM

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I love Woody Paige. He just does dumb stuff to be funny, and it works for him. He actually knows what he's talking about if you actually listen to his points.

Yeah, I actually like Woody Paige also. He's very funny and he actually does make some solid arguments.

Drbio · 01-11-2007, 01:18 AM

Skip Bayliss is a world champion pole smoker.

Nemesis · 01-11-2007, 01:20 AM

Woody Paige predicted the WHOLE playoffs in the NBA last year. I don't mean a few brackets.. I mean the whole thing.. Other than that, I think he got fired from Cold Pizza and he gets muted all the time in that remote control sports game...no idea what it is called but i watch it everyday..

WurzburgBorn · 01-11-2007, 10:51 AM

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he gets muted all the time in that remote control sports game...no idea what it is called but i watch it everyday..

Around the Horn.
I just wish they would let the viewers award the points. They sure as hell can't stop me from muting it on my own when Jay Mariotti starts talking.

Nemesis · 01-11-2007, 11:10 AM

thx..

Flacolaco · 01-11-2007, 11:38 AM

he sells the most jerseys. makes stern the most money....yeah, makes sense to me

alexamenos · 01-11-2007, 11:47 AM

the first line of this thread, as displayed, is "Skip Bayless has..."

I was really hoping to see something like....

Skip Bayless has an axe sticking out of his forehead;
Skip Bayless has a rare terminal disease;
Skip Bayless has an affair with Magic Johnson...

imagine my disappointment.

purplefrog · 01-11-2007, 12:58 PM

If the argument is that Nash makes all of his teammates better and does this in way that is greater than anyone else in the league, then this is faulty reasoning. The Lenovo Stat says that the player that fits that description is Devin Harris. So.... Devin for MVP? I bet he doesn't get many votes.