Mavs trade for Christian Wood

[saclare]

So in fairly short order, Nico turned KP into Dinwiddie, Bertans, and Wood. Not a bad first year even with Brunson leaving.

[EricaLubarsky]

Wood> KP

[purplefrog]

I just read that if the Mavs are going to give Wood and extension then it has to be no later than December 24th...

I think they should seriously consider trading him as I am skeptical he will re-sign.

My gut tells me they will not trade him or give him and extension. In the end, he will not re-sign and we will have a Brunson situation all over again. If that happens, then Cuban should fire himself.


https://thesmokingcuban.com/posts/da...center-upgrade

[JustJay]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

I just read that if the Mavs are going to give Wood and extension then it has to be no later than December 24th...

I think they should seriously consider trading him as I am skeptical he will re-sign.

My gut tells me they will not trade him or give him and extension. In the end, he will not re-sign and we will have a Brunson situation all over again. If that happens, then Cuban should fire himself.


https://thesmokingcuban.com/posts/da...center-upgrade

Yeah he's gone. I would be shocked if he's still a Mav next season.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

I just read that if the Mavs are going to give Wood and extension then it has to be no later than December 24th...

I think they should seriously consider trading him as I am skeptical he will re-sign.

My gut tells me they will not trade him or give him and extension. In the end, he will not re-sign and we will have a Brunson situation all over again. If that happens, then Cuban should fire himself.


https://thesmokingcuban.com/posts/da...center-upgrade

The only thing that might keep Wood is the public perception that FO is a bunch of monkeys pulling levers. Pressure might be to keep him, especially when Luka likes playing with him.

But outside of that, no reason to believe he'd be here next year.

[MFFL]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

I just read that if the Mavs are going to give Wood and extension then it has to be no later than December 24th...

https://thesmokingcuban.com/posts/da...center-upgrade

I think the article is incorrect. There isn't an extension DEADLINE. It is actually the STARTING date for a new contract.

Right now we are within the 6 month window since the trade and can only offer him a max extension of 2 years $35,220,949 (3 years max - remainder of this year and 2 additional years).

But Dallas can offer a 4 year $76,970,660 contract extension beginning on Dec 24th.

So if Wood doesn't sign a new deal with Dallas by January then there is a good chance we lose him.

+++

https://cbabreakdown.com/trades#:~:t...%20transaction.

A team may extend and trade a player within these rules. An extension-and-trade is allowed if (i) the contract covers no more than 3 seasons (including any years remaining in the original contract), (ii) the salary in the first year of the extended term is no more than 105% of the salary in the last year of the original term, and (iii) the annual salary increases are no more than 5% of the salary in the first season covered by the extended term.

To prevent teams from getting around these limitations, teams cannot trade any player that signs an extension covering more than 3 seasons, a higher salary, or with larger annual increases for the next 6 months.

Similarly, if a team receives a player in a trade, then for the next 6 months following that trade the team cannot sign the player to an extension that would violate the limitations for an extension-and-trade transaction.

[Melonhead]

Oh boy they def arent going to offer that kind of money to Wood...

I think 14m is a good number personally. Still need some type of center, and Powell isnt getting any younger or taller

[DevinHarriswillstart]

I mean, they are actually in a better place to extend him since they are suppressing his role and minutes. You absolutely extend him if he takes it.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Uh 4/77 is definitely market value for Wood. Mavs would be nuts not to offer that.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Uh 4/77 is definitely market value for Wood. Mavs would be nuts not to offer that.

100% agree, however I just dont believe Cuban will. They will try to lowball for sure.

[EricaLubarsky]

I can see why Cuban would wait. It's not like Wood cost us a lot. The guys we traded are mostly not NBA talent. Sterling Brown, Trey Burke, and Marquese Chriss were all waived and have not gotten contracts. Boban has only played 7 games for the Rockets and he's averaging 3.6mpg in the few games he plays. Wendell Moore (the 26th pick) could be something, but so far he has struggled in the NBA and was traded to Minn

If we give Wood 4/77 and we underperform, we will be
1) well into the tax and on our way to the repeat tax
2) without a 2023 FRP and barely any other FRPs
3) most of our current roster locked up long term into mediocrity

Of course, if we gel, then it's a different story, but that is why we wait.

I like Christian Wood and losing Brunson for nothing was painful. I get that he wanted to leave so I'm not upset that he left-- just that we didn't get anything for him. Right now I hope we keep him, but I wouldn't be sad if he was on another team after the TDL or next year-- I just hope we can parlay that into something because we are so asset-poor.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I can see why Cuban would wait. It's not like Wood cost us a lot. The guys we traded are mostly not NBA talent. Sterling Brown, Trey Burke, and Marquese Chriss were all waived and have not gotten contracts. Boban has only played 7 games for the Rockets and he's averaging 3.6mpg in the few games he plays. Wendell Moore could be something, but so far he has struggled in the NBA and was traded to Minn

If we give Wood 4/77 and we underperform, we will be
1) well into the tax and on our way to the repeat tax
2) without a 2023 FRP and barely any other FRPs
3) most of our current roster locked up long term into mediocrity

Of course, if we gel, then it's a different story, but that is why we wait.

I like Christian Wood and losing Brunson for nothing was painful. I get that he wanted to leave so I'm not upset that he left-- just that we didn't get anything for him. Right now I hope we keep him, but I wouldn't be sad if he was on another team after the TDL or next year-- I just hope we can parlay that into something because we are so asset-poor.

Who says we take Wendell Moore? Nikola Jovic was taken at 27 and definitely a Mavs type of pick. Even Koloko where the Mavs need a big man was there and went at 33.

I'm just saying first rounders aren't something you just throw away. Losing Wood for nothing would be bad.

If he is open to extension, then you absolutely do that because then he is an actual tradable asset. Teams aren't giving you much for a two month rental.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I can see why Cuban would wait. It's not like Wood cost us a lot. The guys we traded are mostly not NBA talent. Sterling Brown, Trey Burke, and Marquese Chriss were all waived and have not gotten contracts. Boban has only played 7 games for the Rockets and he's averaging 3.6mpg in the few games he plays. Wendell Moore (the 26th pick) could be something, but so far he has struggled in the NBA and was traded to Minn

If we give Wood 4/77 and we underperform, we will be
1) well into the tax and on our way to the repeat tax
2) without a 2023 FRP and barely any other FRPs
3) most of our current roster locked up long term into mediocrity

Of course, if we gel, then it's a different story, but that is why we wait.

I like Christian Wood and losing Brunson for nothing was painful. I get that he wanted to leave so I'm not upset that he left-- just that we didn't get anything for him. Right now I hope we keep him, but I wouldn't be sad if he was on another team after the TDL or next year-- I just hope we can parlay that into something because we are so asset-poor.

So we win by trading guys who can't touch the floor to get a steal in Wood. But we wait to see if the team gels like with JB and then lose him...like JB. Seems counter intuitive to have a trade hit and then we just don't even play the dude and let him ride off into the sunset essentially negating the trade win to begin with. Idk, my head spins and it has been since Kidd opened his mouth about Wood and when FO promised McGee a SLU spot. Go Mams

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

So we win by trading guys who can't touch the floor to get a steal in Wood. But we wait to see if the team gels like with JB and then lose him...like JB. Seems counter intuitive to have a trade hit and then we just don't even play the dude and let him ride off into the sunset essentially negating the trade win to begin with. Idk, my head spins and it has been since Kidd opened his mouth about Wood and when FO promised McGee a SLU spot. Go Mams

JB wanted out of Luka's shadow.

Wood I imagine wants to get paid and to get the long-term security of a long-term contract.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

JB wanted out of Luka's shadow.

Wood I imagine wants to get paid and to get the long-term security of a long-term contract.

Well, Wood is 100% going to get paid whether we do it or not. Only thing changes is if we sign him or get an equal asset via trade, no?

And fwiw JB will always be in Lukas shadow. Going to NY doesn't change that.

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

JB wanted out of Luka's shadow.

How do people revise history so quickly? He would have signed here, but the Mavs waited too long.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by FreshJive

How do people revise history so quickly? He would have signed here, but the Mavs waited too long.

You?re the expert? For every person spitballing that he?d say there?s actual quotes and evidence to the contrary.

The only thing we don?t know is if we offered him his full 12mill early last season before he got good if he?d have taken it. Once he started dominating, he?d be stupid to take 20mill, Mavs or otherwise.

Then FA opened and he didn?t even take a call from us.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by FreshJive

How do people revise history so quickly? He would have signed here, but the Mavs waited too long.

They listen to Daddy Brunson and run with his word as gospel and claim it as all true, nothing else could have happened.

[Melonhead]

It makes more sense to extend him especially as a future trade piece, like see it through with Wood on the team, cause if they let him expire at the end of the season, he's definitely gone.

Cuban will not pay luxury or repeater tax, he was going on about it in february before the season ended, which gave me pause in the back of my head for Brunson.

[JustJay]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Cuban will not pay luxury or repeater tax, he was going on about it in february before the season ended, which gave me pause in the back of my head for Brunson.

That's the real reason he broke up the championship team as well I bet. I remember he was ranting and raving about the new CBA more than any other owner.

[MFFL]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Cuban will not pay luxury or repeater tax, he was going on about it in february before the season ended, which gave me pause in the back of my head for Brunson.

If you have a good GM and a good pipeline of young talent, you shouldn't HAVE to pay the tax.

Miami hasn't paid any tax in the last 3 years. Boston is like us and is paying this year after not paying for the previous 2 years. Toronto never pays tax.

So I'm not going to rag on Cuban for expecting his front office to stay under the tax. UNLESS we have a team that is competing for titles. Then I'll be upset if Cuban goes cheap.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

I mean, the Mavs wanted to keep Brunson, so I'm not sure the Cuban won't pay the tax stuff holds much water. I'm sure he doesn't want to pay it long term, like any owner, but I don't fully buy him not wanting to pay it.

I feel Cuban acts more on a value of a player versus a bottom line money thing. You can always dump salary if you need to especially now that KP's contract is off the books.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I mean, the Mavs wanted to keep Brunson, so I'm not sure the Cuban won't pay the tax stuff holds much water. I'm sure he doesn't want to pay it long term, like any owner, but I don't fully buy him not wanting to pay it.

I feel Cuban acts more on a value of a player versus a bottom line money thing. You can always dump salary if you need to especially now that KP's contract is off the books.

It might be true but the data doesn't support that notion over the past decade. Cuban is dead last in total player outlay and it's not even close.

https://twitter.com/JamesBeaver01/st...DnU3eTSPiTUIbQ

So this sure looks like a bottom line money thing that cheap son of a bitch

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Dec: 20/9/2 55% fg, 40% from three.

[Melonhead]

https://twitter.com/mavsfilmroom/sta...xeVkw5jGfg9lhw

If they don?t extend him, this season is toast.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Fml. Maybe starting the guy and not the rest of the big man garbage on the team might have made a difference.

[Melonhead]

Truly don?t know why I ever comment on the Mavs subreddit.

Had a guy calling me stupid because I believe the Mavs HAVENT offered the extension yet. He?s 100% sure Mavs have offered the extension within the last 24 hours with zero evidence. And I?m stupid to think otherwise.

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Truly don?t know why I ever comment on the Mavs subreddit.

Had a guy calling me stupid because I believe the Mavs HAVENT offered the extension yet. He?s 100% sure Mavs have offered the extension within the last 24 hours with zero evidence. And I?m stupid to think otherwise.

He thinks the Mavs have suddenly changed their minds over one game? So much so that they suddenly tripped over themselves to offer a contract in the last 24 hours? Lol

[JustJay]

Surely he has to sign an extension or be gone by the TDL right? Or are we going to let another walk out the door for zero compensation?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Yikes.

https://twitter.com/MavsFilmRoom/sta...74606001430529

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Yikes.

https://twitter.com/MavsFilmRoom/sta...74606001430529

What does this one say. Unable to view it

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

What does this one say. Unable to view it

McMahon said Mavs are OPEN to a 2 year deal with Wood.

All time botch incoming?

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

McMahon said Mavs are OPEN to a 2 year deal with Wood.

All time botch incoming?

Ahh. They're open to it.

They sign Wood and...that's it. Then brag about being able to retain key players.. that spent almost half a season off the bench as 2nd best player on the team.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Ahh. They're open to it.

They sign Wood and...that's it. Then brag about being able to retain key players.. that spent almost half a season off the bench as 2nd best player on the team.

And are open to a two year extension so they can have cap space in 2024. As in, another plan power.

Kill me.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

What kills me is that Ayton was just maxed out. Wood is every bit as good as he is if not better. Wood is a much better handler and at least lately a better shot blocker.

FO just has it in their minds what they think a player is worth and that's that despite what the actual market it. It only takes one team to offer more. EVEN THJ got a bigger offer than we offered.

[saclare]

Did some digging as I was intrigued in the GDT to look up where the 2 year extension rumor may have come from, because as the FO has had their errors, they can't be this dumb (lol)

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2022/6...n-new-contract

"When a player is traded the team acquiring them has limitations as to what extension they can offer for the first 6 months AFTER the trade. The extend-and-trade rules limit how long the extension can be and how big the raises can be. The limit is three seasons INCLUDING the years still on the contract. We saw a max extension under the extend-and-trade rules with Jonas Valančiūnas and the Pelicans in the 2021 off-season. Valančiūnas got extended at the most the Pelicans could offer. The Pelicans took his 2021-22 contract and gave him the max 5% bump on that for his 2022-23 year and then gave the max 5% raise for the 2023-24 year. Let?s look at what it would look like for the Mavericks to offer Wood that same max extension. It works out to a max extension of 2 years $30,818,331."

They very well could have come from the Mavs offering all they could prior to the extension rules opening up to 4+ years. This article does a good job breaking down the different scenarios with respect to re-signing Wood. I have a good feeling they'll get the 4/$77MM done quickly unless Wood decides he's better off waiting until the offseason. Even then, the Mavs would have Bird Rights but would have to pay up.

[mxr2000]

I like wood ye has worked hard on his defence but still he need to work more on his body he is easy move from the boards by stronger players since maxi is out maybe from the season and playoff we need to get a good guy on the boards and I think turner you s the man we need bertans and McGee plus some second round players can do that also we need a true point guard Zack Lavine is that guy let's trade Spencer D and Hardaway JR also maybe J Green can be trade for him I would hate to see green go but is for the better good of the mavs

[DevinHarriswillstart]

https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/...82920543526913

Kevin O'Connor
@KevinOConnorNBA
The NBA's most efficient pick-and-roll duos:

1. Doncic-Wood
2. Dinwiddie-Wood
3. Doncic-Powell
4. Mitchell-Allen
5. Mitchell-Mobley
6. Curry-Looney
7. Herro-Adebayo
8. Morris-Porzingis
9. Brunson-Randle
10. Beal-Porzingis

[Lestat_1795]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/...82920543526913

Kevin O'Connor
@KevinOConnorNBA
The NBA's most efficient pick-and-roll duos:

1. Doncic-Wood
2. Dinwiddie-Wood
3. Doncic-Powell
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This says it all.
Letting Wood leave would be inexcusable especially after the Brunson blunder.
You have to keep your best players.

[EricaLubarsky]

Almost like we should extend Wood

Then trade the farm for another playmaker

Start over with McGee and try to sign/trade/develop a big who can rebound, set screens, and defend