Kidd and Carter to Dallas

[Max Power]

Dallas trades: PF Alan Henderson (3.5 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 0.5 apg in 15.4 minutes)
PG Jason Terry (9.2 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 3.2 apg in 25.0 minutes)
SG Jerry Stackhouse (14.6 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 2.3 apg in 30.0 minutes)
Tariq Abdul-Wahad (No games yet played in 2004/05)
C Calvin Booth (2.4 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 9.5 minutes)
C Shawn Bradley (2.0 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.2 apg in 9.1 minutes)
Dallas receives: Jason Kidd (No games yet played in 2004/05)
C Alonzo Mourning (10.1 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 0.7 apg in 25.5 minutes)
PF Donyell Marshall (7.3 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 0.8 apg in 20.2 minutes)
SF Vince Carter (16.1 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 3.2 apg in 30.7 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -8.3 ppg, -5.4 rpg, and -2.5 apg.

New Jersey trades: Jason Kidd (No games yet played in 2004/05)
C Alonzo Mourning (10.3 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 0.7 apg in 25.7 minutes)
New Jersey receives: PG Jason Terry (9.2 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 3.2 apg in 25.0 minutes)
Tariq Abdul-Wahad (No games yet played in 2004/05)
C Calvin Booth (2.4 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 9.5 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +1.3 ppg, -2.9 rpg, and +2.8 apg.

Toronto trades: PF Donyell Marshall (7.3 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 0.8 apg in 20.2 minutes)
SF Vince Carter (16.1 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 3.2 apg in 30.7 minutes)
Toronto receives: PF Alan Henderson (3.5 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 0.5 apg in 15.4 minutes)
SG Jerry Stackhouse (14.6 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 2.3 apg in 30.0 minutes)
C Shawn Bradley (2.0 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.2 apg in 9.1 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -3.3 ppg, +1.5 rpg, and -1.0 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Due to Dallas, New Jersey, and Toronto being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Dallas, New Jersey, and Toronto had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

[Evilmav2]

Dang, you're getting pretty darned creative today, MP. That deal doesn't look bad to me, but I don't know about the efficacy of trading away the leading shot-blocker in Dallas Maverick's history in your deal...

[MavKikiNYC]

Where does Mourning end up?

[Max Power]

Originally posted by: MavKikiNYC
Where does Mourning end up?

Dallas - I don't know how it got missed in the original post. Bizarre. The trade shouldn't have went through without Mourning. Maybe RealGM just forgot to print the line.

The original post has been corrected now.

[V2M]

There's no way this would happen. But if Santa were to be kind enough and get this done, we'd have:

Damp/Mourning/DJ
Dirk/Donyell/JHo
VC/JHo
Fin/Quis
Kidd/Harris

Stern might as well gift wrap the next few championships and overnight 'em to Cuban's home. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

[dalmations202]

I think I would do the 1st half with NJ, and maybe the part with Toronto as well.

Not sure on the Toronto part, but the Kidd/Mourning for Terry, Booth, TAW....I would think would be worth it........of course, depending on the health of Kidd. He would definately have to go through the medics.

Not sure on the Toronto part, just because I don't know if you want to mess with the chemistry built. I would think that this would be a better off-season type trade.

[Max Power]

Originally posted by: V2M
There's no way this would happen. But if Santa were to be kind enough and get this done, we'd have:

Damp/Mourning/DJ
Dirk/Donyell/JHo
VC/JHo
Fin/Quis
Kidd/Harris

Stern might as well gift wrap the next few championships and overnight 'em to Cuban's home. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

At least one of either Kidd or Carter will be traded for pennies on the dollar. Probably both.

And both the trades I suggested offer salary reduction for the other team and a replacement player for the star (Stack/Carter) and (Terry/Kidd).

[Evilmav2]

Here's what ESPN Insider had to say about Dallas and the Vince sweepstakes a couple of days back:

Insider's Chad Ford is hearing the Raptors leaked the story about a potential trade with the Trail Blazers involving Carter and Shareef Abdur-Rahim to let other teams know Carter was available and drive up interest. If so, the ploy worked, as the Sonics, Heat, Grizzlies and Mavericks all have reached out to the Raptors.

While Blazers GM John Nash continues to insist the initial trade reports was fiction, the Blazers reportedly still are in the hunt. According to the N.Y. Daily News, the Knicks would love to land Carter, too, but they're unwilling to part with Stephon Marbury, and the Raptors don't want either Allan Houston or Tim Thomas.

Earlier this week, the Portland Oregonian reported the chances of the Blazers acquiring Carter were growing slim. A Blazers source told the paper he is doubtful the trade will go down, and a source with the Raptors said Toronto has upped its demands to the Blazers. Meanwhile, the Chicago Tribune suggests the Grizzlies have discussed trading Bonzi Wells and Mike Miller for Carter.

And here's what Chad Ford said today:

Toronto Raptors: It's not a question of if Vince Carter gets traded at this point – just when. Sources in Toronto told Insider over the weekend they've determined it's in the best interests of both the team and the player to make a trade. Right now, the Raptors are in the process of figuring out what the best deal would be.

In a perfect world, they'd be able to dump Carter and Jalen Rose in the same trade. Both players rank among the five worst in the league in plus/minus. They haven't bought into head coach Sam Mitchell's system, and he doesn't believe they will.

The problem with peddling both is that no one wants Rose or the last three years of his outrageous contract. Making a trade straight up for Carter would be easier but wouldn't remove all the Raptors' problems. They know the only way to get rid of Rose is to pin him to VC. If they hold firm, there are really only three teams – the Blazers, Mavs and Knicks – who have the personnel and willingness to eat those salaries.

The Blazers' deal has already been discussed: Shareef Abdur Rahim and Nick Van Exel (who both are in the last year of their contracts) for Carter and Rose. That deal gives the Raptors some needed salary relief, but does little to address any problems with their roster. Abdur-Rahim plays the same position as Chris Bosh and likely wouldn't re-sign with the team next summer.

The Knicks also could try to make something happen, but their backcourt already has Stephon Marbury, Allan Houston and Jamal Crawford. The Knicks don't want to trade Marbury, and both Houston and Crawford are signed to deals that would be tough to trade. The Knicks would have to get a three-way trade going with someone to make this work.

The Mavs have a number of players they might be willing to move for Carter and Rose. If I were the Raptors, I'd try to get Michael Finley, Alan Henderson (who's in the last year of his contract), and either Josh Howard or Marquis Daniels. It still doesn't give them a center, but it clears cap, replaces an All-Star with a good veteran and gives them a young player to build with.

So, if Chad Ford is to be believed, Donnie was spurred on to inquire about Vince by the leaks about Portland/Toronto trade talks last week, and Vince is almost certainly going to be traded very soon, and thus it doesn't seem to inconceivable that the brain-trust might make something happen here, far sooner than most Mavs fans might realize...

[Max Power]

The players:
Jason Kidd $14.79 million (5 years)
Alonzo Mourning $5.4 million (3 years)
Jalen Rose $14.48 million (3 years)
Vince Carter $12.58 million (3 years + player option)
Donyell Marshall $5.32 million (last year)
Michael Finley $14.6 million (4 years)
Alan Henderson $8.27 million (last year)
Jason Terry $7.5 million (2 years)
Jerry Stackhouse $7.4 million (3 years)
Tariq Abdul-Wahad $6.75 million (3 years - but easy buyout)
Calvin Booth $5.9 million (3 years)
Shawn Bradley $4 million (4 years)
Dan Dickau $893,400 (last year)

[Max Power]

Dallas trades: PF Alan Henderson (3.5 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 0.5 apg in 15.4 minutes)
PG Jason Terry (9.2 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 3.2 apg in 25.0 minutes)
SG Jerry Stackhouse (14.6 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 2.3 apg in 30.0 minutes)
Tariq Abdul-Wahad (No games yet played in 2004/05)
C Calvin Booth (2.4 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 9.5 minutes)
C Shawn Bradley (2.0 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.2 apg in 9.1 minutes)
Dallas receives: Jason Kidd (No games yet played in 2004/05)
C Alonzo Mourning (10.1 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 0.7 apg in 25.5 minutes)
SF Vince Carter (16.8 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 3.3 apg in 31.1 minutes)
PF Donyell Marshall (8.0 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 0.9 apg in 21.1 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +3.2 ppg, +1.8 rpg, and -1.6 apg.

New Jersey trades: Jason Kidd (No games yet played in 2004/05)
C Alonzo Mourning (10.1 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 0.7 apg in 25.5 minutes)
New Jersey receives: PG Jason Terry (9.2 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 3.2 apg in 25.0 minutes)
SG Jalen Rose (15.1 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 2.4 apg in 31.3 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +14.2 ppg, -1.6 rpg, and +4.9 apg.

Toronto trades: SG Jalen Rose (15.1 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 2.4 apg in 31.3 minutes)
SF Vince Carter (16.8 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 3.3 apg in 31.1 minutes)
PF Donyell Marshall (8.0 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 0.9 apg in 21.1 minutes)
Toronto receives: PF Alan Henderson (3.5 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 0.5 apg in 15.4 minutes)
SG Jerry Stackhouse (14.6 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 2.3 apg in 30.0 minutes)
Tariq Abdul-Wahad (No games yet played in 2004/05)
C Calvin Booth (2.4 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 9.5 minutes)
C Shawn Bradley (2.0 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.2 apg in 9.1 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -17.4 ppg, -0.2 rpg, and -3.3 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Due to Dallas, New Jersey, and Toronto being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Dallas, New Jersey, and Toronto had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

[V2M]

Originally posted by: Max Power

At least one of either Kidd or Carter will be traded for pennies on the dollar. Probably both.

And both the trades I suggested offer salary reduction for the other team and a replacement player for the star (Stack/Carter) and (Terry/Kidd).

Toronto's situation:
- VC wants out. Ship him for another star with an expiring contract.
- Try to package Rose to get rid of his ugly contract in the same deal.
- Most likely trading partner: Portland (Expiring contracts of SAR, NVE, Stoudamire; Deep pocketed owner)
- Next likely partner: New York (Deep pocketed owner; VC's expressed interest in the Knicks)

NJ's situation:
- Kidd wants out. Package Mourning in the same deal, if possible.
- Get a good PG & Center in the deal as they're seriously short-handed at those positions.
- Most likely trading partner: Dallas (Can ship a solid PG and a decent Center or two; Deep pocketed owner)
- Next likely partner: Minnesota (Cassell & Spree are unhappy; Kidd's interest to move to a contender)

Based on these presumptions, I figure, it's almost impossible for Dallas to land Kidd, VC, Mourning & Donyell without losing Dirk, Damp, Fin or any of the younger studs we got. But if somehow Cuban & Donnie pull this off, as I said, the rest of the league might as well give up.

[DirkN003]

mhm.. all i have to say

[Dirks Cuzin]

Originally posted by: Max Power
Dallas trades: PF Alan Henderson (3.5 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 0.5 apg in 15.4 minutes)
PG Jason Terry (9.2 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 3.2 apg in 25.0 minutes)
SG Jerry Stackhouse (14.6 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 2.3 apg in 30.0 minutes)
Tariq Abdul-Wahad (No games yet played in 2004/05)
C Calvin Booth (2.4 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 9.5 minutes)
C Shawn Bradley (2.0 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.2 apg in 9.1 minutes)
Dallas receives: Jason Kidd (No games yet played in 2004/05)
C Alonzo Mourning (10.1 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 0.7 apg in 25.5 minutes)
SF Vince Carter (16.8 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 3.3 apg in 31.1 minutes)
PF Donyell Marshall (8.0 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 0.9 apg in 21.1 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +3.2 ppg, +1.8 rpg, and -1.6 apg.

New Jersey trades: Jason Kidd (No games yet played in 2004/05)
C Alonzo Mourning (10.1 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 0.7 apg in 25.5 minutes)
New Jersey receives: PG Jason Terry (9.2 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 3.2 apg in 25.0 minutes)
SG Jalen Rose (15.1 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 2.4 apg in 31.3 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +14.2 ppg, -1.6 rpg, and +4.9 apg.

Toronto trades: SG Jalen Rose (15.1 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 2.4 apg in 31.3 minutes)
SF Vince Carter (16.8 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 3.3 apg in 31.1 minutes)
PF Donyell Marshall (8.0 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 0.9 apg in 21.1 minutes)
Toronto receives: PF Alan Henderson (3.5 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 0.5 apg in 15.4 minutes)
SG Jerry Stackhouse (14.6 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 2.3 apg in 30.0 minutes)
Tariq Abdul-Wahad (No games yet played in 2004/05)
C Calvin Booth (2.4 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 9.5 minutes)
C Shawn Bradley (2.0 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.2 apg in 9.1 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -17.4 ppg, -0.2 rpg, and -3.3 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Due to Dallas, New Jersey, and Toronto being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Dallas, New Jersey, and Toronto had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

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