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dude1394 · 05-28-2004, 12:39 AM

George W. Bush's wildly successful foreign policy

Lately, it seems that not a day can pass without Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, Al Gore, John Kerry and their ideological soul mates in the mainstream media making acerbic comments about how the Bush administration has handled the war on terrorism. For those of us who disagree with them, it is easy enough to "attack the attackers" and many people, myself included, have done exactly that. However, in and of itself, that is not an adequate response. Instead of debating whether or not the war on terror has been a failure, the truth, that war on terror has been an overwhelming success so far, must be told.

Despite what we hear daily from the "nattering nabobs of negativity" in our country, we should be proud of the magnificent job that George W. Bush, his administration, our troops, and our intelligence services have done fighting the war on terrorism. In perhaps the two most perfectly executed military campaigns ever waged on this earth, our troops smashed the Taliban and Saddam Hussein's regime, freeing 50 million people from tyrants who had made the lives of their people into a living hell.

In Afghanistan, we were told going in that the war would be long, difficult, and perhaps even unwinnable. A lesser man than George Bush might have gotten weak kneed at the prospect of sending our troops into a "mountainous Vietnam" and found some sort of excuse not to go. But, not only did we take the fight to our enemies in Afghanistan, we bombed Al-Qaeda's camps, decimated the Taliban, drove them out of power in less than two months, and sent the Jihadi cavemen running to Pakistan and remote caves on the Afghan border, where they live even today as hunted men. This is even more impressive than it sounds since our defeatist press was crying "quagmire" & "Vietnam" even as we bombed our enemies into oblivion.

Then in Iraq, we removed Saddam Hussein, an anti-American tyrant & sponsor of terrorism who started two wars of aggression in the region while he simultaneously raped, tortured, and butchered his own people with a zeal matched by few figures in modern history. Once the war began, the performance of our military was once more incomparable. Saddam's forces were defeated, scattered to the four winds in less than a month, even as the press, a week into the war, were again baying the dreaded "V word" loud and often.

Since then, the occupation of Iraq has been tougher than anticipated, but our troops have performed superbly under the most difficult of circumstances and Iraq is on track towards Democracy. As expected, the press has, as always, obsessively focused on the negatives: looting, violence, & Abu Ghraib. But on June 30th, sovereignty will be handed over to the Iraqis and in January of next year, the Iraqis are scheduled to have national elections to go along with the local elections that have happened across most of Iraq already. A cesspool of terrorism & anti-American hatred is being turned into a democracy, one that may help push the whole region towards freedom, right before our eyes because of the rock ribbed leadership of the Bush administration and the brilliant and determined performance of our soldiers on the ground.

But wait, there's more! Even if there were a terrorist attack tomorrow, our intelligence agencies and the oft demonized John Ashcroft should be praised for successfully defending the homeland from Al-Qaeda for more than 2 1/2 years of war. How many people would have believed that was possible on September 12, 2001?

Of course, it has been easier than some had expected to protect our country from Al-Qaeda since roughly 2/3rd's of Al-Qaeda's leadership has been captured and around 3000 rank and file members of Al-Qaeda have been "incapacitated" since 9/11. Perhaps that's also one of the reasons why, in 2003, annual international terrorist attacks dropped to their lowest level since 1969.

Furthermore, formerly "terrorist friendly" nations like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Libya are now fervently pursuing terrorists inside of their own borders. And speaking of Pakistan and Libya, a nuclear arms ring based out of Pakistan is now out of business and one of it's finest customers, Libya, has now given up its WMD programs and is attempting to rejoin the family of nations. All of this is thanks to George Bush's diplomacy.

However, all of these triumphs for America are ignored by grandstanding politicians and a hostile press which incessantly snipes at the Bush administration, usually over comparatively minor issues. What must be understood is that they're missing the forest for the trees. Despite the setbacks and difficulties we've experienced, President Bush has accomplished more on the foreign policy front in less than one full term than the last 4 Democratic Presidents, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, and Clinton, did combined!

All this brings to mind a Theodore Roosevelt quote that's a favorite of mine,

"It is not the critic who counts, nor the man who points out where the strong man stumbled, or where a doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man in the arena whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs, and who comes up short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause. The man who at best knows the triumph of high achievement and who at worst, if he fails, fails while daring greatly, so that his place will never be with those cold timid souls who never knew victory or defeat."

"The man in the arena whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood" is one George W. Bush and waging a war on terrorism in an age when defending America has become a partisan issue must certainly be considered "daring greatly". We are lucky to have such a man in the White House, because like other great American Presidents of times gone by, he is leading America towards victory in a worthy cause.

reeds · 05-28-2004, 11:30 AM

DUDE- Please warn me when you put out this type of garbage..I need to be sitting down first, I really dont want to fall over from laughter.

"Despite what we hear daily from the "nattering nabobs of negativity" in our country, we should be proud of the magnificent job that George W. Bush, his administration, our troops, and our intelligence services have done fighting the war on terrorism. In perhaps the two most perfectly executed military campaigns ever waged on this earth, our troops smashed the Taliban and Saddam Hussein's regime, freeing 50 million people from tyrants who had made the lives of their people into a living hell."

Contrary to the rights train of thought- most of the world (and half of this country) dont beleive the war with IRAQ was necessary, needed or should have happened- PERIOD....

And bragging about smashing the Taliban and Saddam???Come on, how freakin hard could that be?? A superpower bousting about taking out an army of thugs in IRAQ..that is comical....I compare it to the LA Lakers bragging they just whooped the University of Duke's womans team...get real.. Yes Bush should be proud....NOT

dude1394 · 05-28-2004, 12:39 PM

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"Despite what we hear daily from the "nattering nabobs of negativity" in our country, we should be proud of the magnificent job that George W. Bush, his administration, our troops, and our intelligence services have done fighting the war on terrorism. In perhaps the two most perfectly executed military campaigns ever waged on this earth, our troops smashed the Taliban and Saddam Hussein's regime, freeing 50 million people from tyrants who had made the lives of their people into a living hell."

Contrary to the rights train of thought- most of the world (and half of this country) dont beleive the war with IRAQ was necessary, needed or should have happened- PERIOD....

Let's see what your hero has to say kerry on iraq :

Nov 1997 : Iraq is such "A grave threat to the well-being of our nation" that we must use fore, unilaterally if necessary
Nov 1997 : United Nations has obligation to prevent saddam from continuing WMD program.
Nov 1998 : Kerry backs regime change in Iraq.
Sep 2001 : Kerry cited evidence of saddam's "efforts to try to secure" and test wmd.
Dec 2001: Kerry ready to include saddam hussein in war on terror
Oct 2002: Kerry cited WMD as reason for his vote, calling them an "unacceptable threat".

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And bragging about smashing the Taliban and Saddam???Come on, how freakin hard could that be?? A superpower bousting about taking out an army of thugs in IRAQ..that is comical....I compare it to the LA Lakers bragging they just whooped the University of Duke's womans team...get real.. Yes Bush should be proud....NOT

If you would have read carefully you would have seen that the same folks who are whining about iraq were also whining about afghanistan and iraq weeks into the engagement.

This guys didn't think it was so easy:

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This is even more impressive than it sounds since our defeatist press was crying "quagmire" & "Vietnam" even as we bombed our enemies into oblivion.

R.W. Apple I believe was the front-page NYTimes writer here. Of course weeks later it was over. Another stellar prediction by the appeasement left.

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Saddam's forces were defeated, scattered to the four winds in less than a month, even as the press, a week into the war, were again baying the dreaded "V word" loud and often.

I believe this was one Kristoff again at the "Newspaper" of record.

Drbio · 05-28-2004, 01:23 PM

Throwing liberal words back at reeds to prove a point? shameless.

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LRB · 05-28-2004, 01:32 PM

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Throwing liberal words back at reeds to prove a point? shameless.

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reeds · 05-28-2004, 03:21 PM

"Let's see what your hero has to say kerry on iraq :"

DUDE- PULL up a quote ANYWHERE on this site stating that Kerry was my hero- PLEASE- I challenge you to do that..

Kerry was not my Democratic choice...But it sure beats the hell out of BUSH..that is all I have to say...

mavsman55 · 06-01-2004, 06:07 AM

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Originally posted by: reeds
DUDE- "Despite what we hear daily from the "nattering nabobs of negativity" in our country, we should be proud of the magnificent job that George W. Bush, his administration, our troops, and our intelligence services have done fighting the war on terrorism. In perhaps the two most perfectly executed military campaigns ever waged on this earth, our troops smashed the Taliban and Saddam Hussein's regime, freeing 50 million people from tyrants who had made the lives of their people into a living hell"

Contrary to the rights train of thought- most of the world (and half of this country) dont beleive the war with IRAQ was necessary, needed or should have happened- PERIOD....

Reeds, I don't know where you've been for the past few years, but have you seen what Saddam Hussein was doing to his own people? Does the word 'holocaust' mean anything to you? I honestly don't understand how a human being can stand by, watch a crazy, psychotic madman torture and kill hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi people and dismiss getting rid of him as unimportant. HaVe you seen the torture chambers? Have you read the stories of the people who were hanged from ceiling fans for years at a time and whipped every day simply for being different from Saddam? The war in Iraq was a good cause to help restore an unfair country, and if you think what Saddam was doing to his people wasn't important, then you have some serious waking up to do.

Murphy3 · 06-01-2004, 07:01 AM

As a member of the left, I must say that it is ok for my fellow leftists to flip flop back and forth from supporting the war to being against the war if it saves face and/or mocks the president.

reeds · 06-01-2004, 08:05 PM

"Reeds, I don't know where you've been for the past few years, but have you seen what Saddam Hussein was doing to his own people? Does the word 'holocaust' mean anything to you? I honestly don't understand how a human being can stand by, watch a crazy, psychotic madman torture and kill hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi people and dismiss getting rid of him as unimportant. HaVe you seen the torture chambers? Have you read the stories of the people who were hanged from ceiling fans for years at a time and whipped every day simply for being different from Saddam? The war in Iraq was a good cause to help restore an unfair country, and if you think what Saddam was doing to his people wasn't important, then you have some serious waking up to "

You know what cracks me up MavsMan?? Hussein did that for years and years and years!! And we actually backed him and his country in the past vs. Iran...and I never heard this country- including yourself, ever say BOO about how much of a madman he was until Bush took office???What gives??? If he is so so so bad a man, why did it take until NOW for anyone to do anything about it??? Was there other republican presidents in the past??YES, what what done? nothing.. its just comical how all the sudden he is the DEVIL...but the past 20 years nothing was said about the man or done about the man...explain please

dude1394 · 06-01-2004, 08:31 PM

9/11 dude.

LRB · 06-01-2004, 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by: reeds
"Reeds, I don't know where you've been for the past few years, but have you seen what Saddam Hussein was doing to his own people? Does the word 'holocaust' mean anything to you? I honestly don't understand how a human being can stand by, watch a crazy, psychotic madman torture and kill hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi people and dismiss getting rid of him as unimportant. HaVe you seen the torture chambers? Have you read the stories of the people who were hanged from ceiling fans for years at a time and whipped every day simply for being different from Saddam? The war in Iraq was a good cause to help restore an unfair country, and if you think what Saddam was doing to his people wasn't important, then you have some serious waking up to "

You know what cracks me up MavsMan?? Hussein did that for years and years and years!! And we actually backed him and his country in the past vs. Iran...and I never heard this country- including yourself, ever say BOO about how much of a madman he was until Bush took office???What gives??? If he is so so so bad a man, why did it take until NOW for anyone to do anything about it??? Was there other republican presidents in the past??YES, what what done? nothing.. its just comical how all the sudden he is the DEVIL...but the past 20 years nothing was said about the man or done about the man...explain please

Reeds what planet are you from? Or have you just been in a remote community with not media access from the past 14 years. Ever since George Bush Sr. drew his famous line in the sand there have been tons of people in this nation advocating Saddam's removal and decrying him as a horrible monster. There has been a near continuous military action by the US and allies against the despot at least in some small measure. 1st we hoped for a popular uprising, but that never was successful. Then we kicked his mass murding ass out of power.

So you might want to write your liberal loving news network, CNN and ask for some tapes of the past 14 years on the US history with Iraq. Even their distorted view of the world clearly shows that we've been far from just sitting back and ignoring this monster for the past 14 years. It's comical how bleeding heart liberals such as yourself can't remember the time of day while staring at a digital clock if it doesn't agree with your political point of view. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif[/img]

dude1394 · 06-01-2004, 08:59 PM

CNN probably has quite a few tapes of tortures and rapes that they didn't report on so that they could keep their stinking bureau in baghdad. I wonder how many people CNN knew were being murdered but didn't report it.

Can't watch that station in good conscience.

mavsman55 · 06-01-2004, 09:08 PM

Reeds, where did you get the idea that we haven't already been in Iraq trying to get rid of this madman? Do the words "persian gulf war" mean anything to you?

I have no idea how you can see him torture, kill, rape, and pillage hundreds of thousands of innocent, helpless people and dismiss it as trivial and unimportant. Getting rid of Saddam Hussein was the best thing that an American president has done in over a decade.

reeds · 06-01-2004, 09:52 PM

PLEASE STOP- Sadaams name was RARELY EVER in the press the past 20 years. and if it was, no one gave a damn or even stopped what they were doing to listen.

Persian Gulf war?? WTF?? YES MAVSMAN- I know about that war- it wasnt about Hussain..it was about aggression- it was about IRAQ invading KUWAIT- not about Hussain being a madman..it was about Iraq feeling Kuwait was producing more oil than allowed under quotas set by OPEC, thereby depressing the price of oil, Iraq’s main export- among other things- but mostly oil money...so please spare me the Hussain stories about the Persian Gulf war..

dude1394 · 06-01-2004, 10:12 PM

Geezz reeds... we dropped tomahawks on him, had our planes shot at repeatedly. Patrolled constantly a no-fly zone, he kicked out inspectors in what '98 as well. We passed a resolution in 98 or 99 stating that regime change was our official policy. You must be kidding?

reeds · 06-01-2004, 10:28 PM

but he wasnt in the news everyday as a HITLER, as a madman like this room is saying. We took Iraqs side in the freakin war with IRAN- explain that one if he is a HITLER???PLEASE??? oh let me guess, he started being a bad boy after that??? save it

dude1394 · 06-01-2004, 10:42 PM

Stay on subject reeds.... He WAS a madman, he WAS a hitler... It's just that not many folks were interested. Our arkansas bubba sure wasn't, hell even I wasn't, probably to my shame actually. But in general I don't give much of a durn unless it threatens the US. It did, but I didn't know it, although my governement (bubba) should have. He played his normal lip service to it, bit his lip and said the same crap he usually did, but as you can tell, he didn't mean a word of it.

There were a few who preached it... Wolfowitz for example, kristol, chris hitchens and I'm sure many other lefties as well.

But it wasn't on bubba's radar and the MSM doesn't really give a crap about anything unless they can pin it back on america. But you really shouldn't try to distort the facts so much to prove your point, you know that bush is evil and the most horrible president in history, all of that stuff someone's been telling you. Probably that same Main Stream Media that didn't give a damn about sadaam's murdering ways either.

LRB · 06-02-2004, 12:42 AM

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but he wasnt in the news everyday as a HITLER, as a madman like this room is saying. We took Iraqs side in the freakin war with IRAN- explain that one if he is a HITLER???PLEASE??? oh let me guess, he started being a bad boy after that??? save it

Reeds appartently you're forgetful about your history. We took the side of Joseph Stalin against Hitler. I don't know if there was a whole lot of difference between the 2 morally speaking. BTW that was a DEMOCRAT who was in the White House and made that decision.

We supported Saddam, because at the time we believe Iran to be even worse. Would I support that policy again? Proably not. Would I support allying with Joseph Stalin the mass murder of countless millions? Hell no. But I still respect FDR and Truman for what they did in WWII.

BTW Hitler wasn't in the news every day in the US until we became at war with him and the Nazis. I would say that Saddam recieved far more coverage in the news in the 20 years before our invasion of Iraq than Hitler did in the 20 years prior to our entry into WWII, and Hitler hosted the freaking Olympics for crying out loud. Maybe the liberal luney toons that you appear to watch exclusively for you information didn't mention Saddam all that much, but the main stream media, liberal though it is, mentioned the hell out of Saddam over the past 20 years.

mavsman55 · 06-02-2004, 06:03 AM

sorry, double post

mavsman55 · 06-02-2004, 06:04 AM

Reeds, for the past 20 years, the world, in the back of their mind, has been scared of Saddam Hussein. Attempts were made to rid him of office, but nothing that heavily attracted the attention of the media. And it wasn't until nuclear warheads started showing up on US radar that we really needed to take action. George Bush realized that Saddam was a threat to the American people, and he finally took action when it was necessary in an attempt to protect American civilians and free hundreds of thousands of more Iraqi ones. Why you have a problem with George Bush protecting millions of innocent US civilians and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians alike is beyond me.