NBA Draft 2016: Mavs pick AJ Hammons at #46 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

TheSportyChannel · 04-24-2016, 04:02 PM

Who do we draft?

http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft

rimrocker · 04-24-2016, 06:44 PM

If Seldon is still there at 46 it should be a no-brainer.
Gary Payton II is a bit intriguing if he is still available...at least he has the genes of a basketball player instead of a baseball player

dirt_dobber · 04-25-2016, 11:08 AM

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...at least he has the genes of a basketball player instead of a baseball player

i see what you did there/

MavzMan · 04-25-2016, 11:57 AM

I'm hoping for a solid role player and don't care about position. If he happens to be PG or C, then that's icing on the chocolate cake. I know Mavs have a "bad draft" reputation, but they've made good picks before and now is the time to step up.

TheSportyChannel · 04-25-2016, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

If Seldon is still there at 46 it should be a no-brainer.
Gary Payton II is a bit intriguing if he is still available...at least he has the genes of a basketball player instead of a baseball player

Seldon is an interesting prospect who has the right size as a guard at 6'5 and a freakish athlete who can dunk crazy like Justin Anderson. Plus he played for a winning culture in college at Kansas. Not to shabby pick at #46

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFChabQ8Ym0

Edit: LMAO. Just figured out you were talking about Shane Larkin. Gary Payton II averaged around 16 points and 5 assist last season. Not bad at all. Only problem as a guard is that he's 6'2. He sure can dunk and has a burst of speed. Maybe he can turn into Monta Ellis one day. I'm ok with this pick also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP9uMYS5GY0

TheSportyChannel · 04-25-2016, 01:32 PM

Zhou Qi is also another prospect Mavs should look into. The Chinese Porzingis? A 7 footer with a jumper. Might need some coaching up but he has the potential to be a a nice backup or starter later in his career

Here are some highlights from the Nike Hoop Summit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ed8YWekQ4c

spreedom · 04-25-2016, 01:42 PM

I think a lot of teams overthink this whole draft thing... especially in the second round, get the BPA... TBH this roster has needs all over the place.

MavzMan · 04-25-2016, 02:53 PM

The youtubes i found on Zhou Qi didn't really impress me and the first weakness that nbadraft.net says really worries me .. "mental toughness has been a question mark". I've only looked at C and PF so far, but Zache Auguste intrigues me. He looks to have some real competitive fire in him.

Bryan_Wilson · 04-28-2016, 12:04 PM

Trimble before this season was thought to be a top 2-4 pg in this draft and now might slide far enough into the 2nd round to get. His 3pt shot fell off big time so Idk why that is since I do not watch Maryland but I would love if he fell to us or far enough that we could move up just a hair to get him.

Melonhead · 04-28-2016, 07:19 PM

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Trimble before this season was thought to be a top 2-4 pg in this draft and now might slide far enough into the 2nd round to get. His 3pt shot fell off big time so Idk why that is since I do not watch Maryland but I would love if he fell to us or far enough that we could move up just a hair to get him.

Funny thats the first name that popped to mind for me. He would definitely be a promising pick, and its a position at need...I think we'd have to slide up a wee bit though.

EricaLubarsky · 04-28-2016, 09:51 PM

46 is a tough pick to get excited or even discuss before hand. So many pieces in play before we even pick. Some guys available in predictions will be gone. Others who are predicted to go in the first will be available.

Honestly think we'll get someone good in the draft, but have no idea who

quietsavant · 05-13-2016, 02:51 AM

Found this curious and obviously had to read way into it because, it's of course a while until FA is upon us it seems it. But Jake Layman mentioned the Mavs interviewing him at the combine and asking him a peculiar question.

http://espn.go.com/espn/now?nowId=21...844588252211-4

This is interesting to me enough to look up the 6'9 sf out of Maryland and this is obviously fun speculation but his game is a raw version of another Tall SF with the ability to handle the ball and shoot the three and athletic. Chandler parsons
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Osqbx7qviyY

Bryan_Wilson · 05-14-2016, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by quietsavant

Found this curious and obviously had to read way into it because, it's of course a while until FA is upon us it seems it. But Jake Layman mentioned the Mavs interviewing him at the combine and asking him a peculiar question.

http://espn.go.com/espn/now?nowId=21...844588252211-4

This is interesting to me enough to look up the 6'9 sf out of Maryland and this is obviously fun speculation but his game is a raw version of another Tall SF with the ability to handle the ball and shoot the three and athletic. Chandler parsons
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Osqbx7qviyY

Some good stuff in here-
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jake-Layman-7125/

Considering how the NBA is currently so focused on these 6'8-6'10 type players who can have position flex and play on the perimeter I was a bit surprised to see he is left off mocks entirely on many places. But I'd be shocked if he wasn't drafted, even if he was passive and inconsistent there just seems to be too much there to ignore. Maybe in Maryland offense he wasn't asked to do too much so he was passive and let the game come to him. If someone can get him to use that athleticism aggressively and maybe help develop him as a playmaker or improve his rebounding/defense he could be very very solid. He could rebound better in the NBA though just like Anderson did. Anderson as a starter only grabbed 4 rebs a game for UVA his junior year. So it's possible that when Layman gets to the NBA, if he has the same kind of "want to" that JA has, he could be a better rebounder than his stats indicate. He certainly looks like he will rebound better in some of these videos.

quietsavant · 05-14-2016, 03:34 AM

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Some good stuff in here-
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jake-Layman-7125/

Considering how the NBA is currently so focused on these 6'8-6'10 type players who can have position flex and play on the perimeter I was a bit surprised to see he is left off mocks entirely on many places. But I'd be shocked if he wasn't drafted, even if he was passive and inconsistent there just seems to be too much there to ignore. Maybe in Maryland offense he wasn't asked to do too much so he was passive and let the game come to him. If someone can get him to use that athleticism aggressively and maybe help develop him as a playmaker or improve his rebounding/defense he could be very very solid. He could rebound better in the NBA though just like Anderson did. Anderson as a starter only grabbed 4 rebs a game for UVA his junior year. So it's possible that when Layman gets to the NBA, if he has the same kind of "want to" that JA has, he could be a better rebounder than his stats indicate. He certainly looks like he will rebound better in some of these videos.

Great stuff Bryan. No Doubt in my mind someone is going to get a steal with this kid if he does indeed slip through the cracks. He's not on the mocks I've seen but I did in fact wonder, if his interview with dallas or if dallas showing interest was an attempt at finding a chandler starter kit. And it's amazing that chandler slipped through the cracks as well, during the draft.

BigDog63 · 05-17-2016, 05:15 PM

My favorite part of the write up on Layman: "With his athletic profile, and strong lateral quickness, Layman has the potential to be a versatile stopper with multi-positional defensive prowess. He can be a real playmaker here, playing the passing lanes for a steal or rotating over for a huge block at the rim.."

I'm on board. Sign him up. Very athletic, already a good shooter, and sounds like could be a defensive stopper.

Forget Chandler Parsons. Sounds more like Shawn Marion, while he was here. But with better shooting.

tap2390 · 05-17-2016, 07:12 PM

My fav players at #46 (or with a small trade up), and who I think they compare to (in terms of play style, not actual talent)

1) Kay Felder --> stock on the rise; undersized but defending well at the combine; small school but stepped up in big games (dropped 37 on Mich. St. and 30 on UVA); my binky in this year's draft; reminds me of Isaiah Thomas

2) Gary Payton Jr --> elite defender; tweener but athleticism makes up for it; great work ethic/ intangibles; reminds me of Avery Bradley

3) Demetrius Jackson --> explosive athlete and good all-around player; can run pick and roll effectively; needs to defend better and be more consistent; reminds me of Jeff Teague

EricaLubarsky · 05-18-2016, 06:39 PM

There's a decent chance we can trade up into the 14-20 range

Underdog · 05-18-2016, 06:47 PM

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There's a decent chance we can trade up into the 14-20 range

I dunno if I'd say there's a "decent" chance, but there's definitely a chance... And we have zilch to talk about right now, sooo..... which player(s) would you trade to which team, and who would you draft with the pick?

MavzMan · 05-19-2016, 10:24 AM

Personally, I feel like we had a glut of PGs last season even with all our injuries. When most of your (arguably) best players (in RC's mind) are PGs, you end up play extreme small ball with Dirk at 5 and 3 PGs on the court. So, it seems the most likely scenario would be trading a current PG under contract in order to maybe keep Felton/DWill and get a pick.

I don't see anything else of value that we would be willing to give up ... Powell? We need Mejri as a possible solid backup center. Anderson should not be traded just to get you his equivalent. I don't see a lot of value in Evans at this point.

BigDog63 · 05-23-2016, 07:12 AM

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There's a decent chance we can trade up into the 14-20 range

How? IMHO any player of value...we need to keep. Take Powell or Anderson, as examples. Trading them will likely, at best, get back a player of similar ability, with a fair chance of not even getting that. I would like to see Mavs trade up, if possible, but would have to see the scenario. I like the players being discussed here at 46. Once you get out of about the top 10 in the NBA draft, it's a crap shoot no matter where you draft. So, giving up anything significant to get there, given that we don't have a real glut of assets, probably isn't helping that much

MavzMan · 05-23-2016, 09:29 AM

We could trade next year's 1st round pick for a first round pick this year and then we could bundle that pick with our second pick to trade for a player that probably won't amount to anything.

MBT, please just stop trading our picks away and start using them. Yes, we don't have a first round this year, suck it up and wait until next year.

tap2390 · 05-23-2016, 11:36 AM

Phoenix and Philly both have three first round picks. Phoenix also has #34 in the second round. Both teams also happen to need cash more than they need young players. I think we should try to buy a pick.

BigDog63 · 05-23-2016, 02:47 PM

If we can buy a pick, I'm all in (and hopefully so is Cubz). We desperately need an infusion of young talent.

MavzMan · 05-25-2016, 08:31 AM

With a big bump in salary cap, I don't expect picks to be easily bought this year. I think Mavs may try some things but ultimately they will only end up with their 2nd round pick.

tap2390 · 05-26-2016, 01:42 PM

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With a big bump in salary cap, I don't expect picks to be easily bought this year. I think Mavs may try some things but ultimately they will only end up with their 2nd round pick.

Just to play devil's advocate maybe this works in reverse. Teams have cap space to sign free agents and aren't as reliant on late first rounders to fill out the roster.

rimrocker · 05-31-2016, 03:00 PM

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Phoenix and Philly both have three first round picks. Phoenix also has #34 in the second round. Both teams also happen to need cash more than they need young players. I think we should try to buy a pick.

I'm wondering how bad Phoenix wants to get rid of Morris....would they consider including one of their picks (28th or 34th) and Morris for Harris and/or Evans and 46th?

Phoenix gets some cap relief.
Morris is on somewhat of a decent deal and does help fill a need and we get a better pick out of the deal.

Just not sure how bad they want to dump him or if they even want to.

Skywalker · 05-31-2016, 05:52 PM

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I'm wondering how bad Phoenix wants to get rid of Morris....would they consider including one of their picks (28th or 34th) and Morris for Harris and/or Evans and 46th?

Phoenix gets some cap relief.
Morris is on somewhat of a decent deal and does help fill a need and we get a better pick out of the deal.

Just not sure how bad they want to dump him or if they even want to.

If you are talking about Markieff, they already dumped him to the Wizards lmao (trade deadline deal IIRC)

rimrocker · 05-31-2016, 07:17 PM

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If you are talking about Markieff, they already dumped him to the Wizards lmao (trade deadline deal IIRC)

Not sure how I missed that one (especially being a Jayhawk fan) but somehow did.
Thanks for clearing that up!

tap2390 · 05-31-2016, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

I'm wondering how bad Phoenix wants to get rid of Morris....would they consider including one of their picks (28th or 34th) and Morris for Harris and/or Evans and 46th?

Phoenix gets some cap relief.
Morris is on somewhat of a decent deal and does help fill a need and we get a better pick out of the deal.

Just not sure how bad they want to dump him or if they even want to.

Although Morris is gone, PHX is full of interesting salary-dump possibilities. Eric Bledsoe? Brandon Knight? Old friend Tyson Chandler?

EricaLubarsky · 05-31-2016, 11:10 PM

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Although Morris is gone, PHX is full of interesting salary-dump possibilities. Eric Bledsoe? Brandon Knight? Old friend Tyson Chandler?

Tyson is definitely going to be shopped, but he's got 3 years/39 million on his contract. That's not good for a guy whose best years are behind him at 33 years old.

Knight is the definition of average. He gets points, but his efficiency is awful. Hollinger puts him as the 27th best PG in the league-- below JJB. He's also part of the Suns' young core. 4 years/56 mill is a lot of money for a merely average player, too.

Bledsoe is good, but I'm not sure he's 4 years/57 million good. He's also constantly injured. I guess that means he fits in well here, though.

tap2390 · 06-01-2016, 04:36 PM

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Tyson is definitely going to be shopped, but he's got 3 years/39 million on his contract. That's not good for a guy whose best years are behind him at 33 years old.

Knight is the definition of average. He gets points, but his efficiency is awful. Hollinger puts him as the 27th best PG in the league-- below JJB. He's also part of the Suns' young core. 4 years/56 mill is a lot of money for a merely average player, too.

Bledsoe is good, but I'm not sure he's 4 years/57 million good. He's also constantly injured. I guess that means he fits in well here, though.

All three are extremely flawed but I think you have to look hard at any potential deal, especially if it includes a pick. The contracts seems brutal at first glance, but is $14 million a year really too much for a young PG who averaged 20 a game last season (albeit isn't good at much else)? I honestly don't know the answer to that question, but I know with our limited resources we need to get creative to acquire pieces.

EricaLubarsky · 06-01-2016, 04:41 PM

22 days

mac222b · 06-01-2016, 05:07 PM

Bledsoe is going to cost us a 1st round pick+ to acquire. If they are even shopping him

TC hasn't got much left. They would have to include something pretty nice along with him to make that happen.

MavzMan · 06-03-2016, 08:56 AM

I wouldn't mind getting Bledsoe, but I am done trading our first round picks unless it's bringing a Kevin Durant type of player. Is Bledsoe worth a mid first round pick? Maybe/Maybe Not, but given where the league is heading, we need to start putting higher value on our picks.

Underdog · 06-03-2016, 10:08 AM

Well, we don't have a 1st round pick to trade this season, and you're not allowed to trade consecutive first-rounders, so the earliest one we can trade is 2018.... But given Dirk's age and the state of this franchise, I don't think you can really justify getting rid of that pick (at least for a guy like Bledsoe) since you're going to desperately need it for a rebuild.

rimrocker · 06-06-2016, 03:06 PM

A guy we should look at as a UFA is Brannen Greene from Kansas. He has good size (6' 7") and is a lethal shooter (42% 3pt). He was in and out of Self's doghouse for some reason but seems to be a decent kid and would be a great fit in Rick's system. Won't get much D from him and can't create his own shot but could be a nice 3pt specialist for us for next to nothing. Can't be any worse than Charlie was last season.
With the right attitude and coaching he could have Korver potential imo.

spreedom · 06-06-2016, 06:33 PM

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Well, we don't have a 1st round pick to trade this season, and you're not allowed to trade consecutive first-rounders, so the earliest one we can trade is 2018.... But given Dirk's age and the state of this franchise, I don't think you can really justify getting rid of that pick (at least for a guy like Bledsoe) since you're going to desperately need it for a rebuild.

FWIW I believe the 2017 pick is eligible to be traded as soon as the Celtics make our pick at 16. Doesn't mean we should trade it, but it means we can.

MavzMan · 06-07-2016, 09:12 AM

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A guy we should look at as a UFA is Brannen Greene from Kansas. He has good size (6' 7") and is a lethal shooter (42% 3pt). He was in and out of Self's doghouse for some reason but seems to be a decent kid and would be a great fit in Rick's system. Won't get much D from him and can't create his own shot but could be a nice 3pt specialist for us for next to nothing.

... Can't be any worse than Charlie was last season.

I kept thinking Who and Why ... until that last sentence. Sign him up for that #15 spot.

EricaLubarsky · 06-12-2016, 05:45 PM

11 days

MavzMan · 06-16-2016, 08:05 AM

7 days

And with the 46th of the 2016 NBA draft, the Dallas Mavericks select ....