Mavs Free Agency Rumors: Hassan Whiteside (NOPE) - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Underdog · 06-23-2016, 04:01 PM

@espn_macmahon: Sources say the Mavs expect to be granted a meeting with center Hassan Whiteside in the opening hours of free agency, sources told ESPN.com. The Mavs have honed in on Whiteside and point guard Mike Conley as their top two targets.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-23-2016, 04:05 PM

Good. I prefer him over Howard. And it looks like the Mavs agree with a lot our assessments that defense is the way to go this summer.

Underdog · 06-23-2016, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Good. I prefer him over Howard. And it looks like the Mavs Agee with a lot our assessments that defense is the way to go this summer.

Yeah, I'm only posting these 'Mavs Free Agency Rumors' threads when solid rumors actually surface -- so far I have yet to hear anything substantial about Howard... Seems like all the early talk surrounding him was based solely on his relationship with Parsons, but if Whiteside/Conley are our main targets then where does that leave Parsons?

And, yeah -- if I'm throwing max money at Howard or Whiteside, then give me the guy whose arrow is trending upward instead of the guy whose is trending downward.

rimrocker · 06-23-2016, 04:28 PM

I prefer Whiteside/Conley over Howard/Parsons so hope these rumors have some traction.
Our defense would be sound but we'd definitely need to find some scoring.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-23-2016, 04:29 PM

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Yeah, I'm only posting these 'Mavs Free Agency Rumors' threads when solid rumors actually surface -- so far I have yet to hear anything substantial about Howard... Seems like all the early talk surrounding him was based solely on his relationship with Parsons, but if Whiteside/Conley are our main targets then where does that leave Parsons?

And, yeah -- if I'm throwing max money at Howard or Whiteside, then give me the guy whose arrow is trending upward instead of the guy whose is trending downward.

I'm guessing Parsons isn't in the picture anymore since he didn't opt-in. Fine by me, because you'll have a pretty damn near elite defensive team with Conley, Matthews, Anderson, and Whiteside starting.

Only way you can keep Parsons in the scenario is Dirk playing for the minimum...which I frankly don't want to see.

Underdog · 06-23-2016, 04:40 PM

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I'm guessing Parsons isn't in the picture anymore since he didn't opt-in. Fine by me, because you'll have a pretty damn near elite defensive team with Conley, Matthews, Anderson, and Whiteside starting.

This core is missing 2017 free agent, Blake Griffin...

Thespiralgoeson · 06-23-2016, 04:40 PM

I'd be shocked if Howard goes anywhere other than New York.

Underdog · 06-23-2016, 04:44 PM

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I'd be shocked if Howard goes anywhere other than New York.

NYK fans totally deserve Melo/Rose/Howard.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-23-2016, 04:52 PM

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NYK fans totally deserve Melo/Rose/Howard.

I actually feel bad for Knick fans. They're among the most passionate and loyal in all of sports. It's not their fault that their team is stuck with this ass clown as the owner. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfawnweTICk

Skywalker · 06-23-2016, 05:14 PM

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This core is missing 2017 free agent, Blake Griffin...

lol

Melonhead · 06-23-2016, 05:21 PM

After 5 offseasons of this same crap, I put Whiteside at about a 5%. No reason why he would leave Miami when all Riley has said is that he's the #1 priority/yet to hit his ceiling/gamechanger for us etc.

NeedlesKane · 06-23-2016, 05:56 PM

Even if Whiteside agrees to come to Dallas I won't believe it until it's signed. I'm sure his word is worth a heck of a lot more than DeAndre Jordan's though.

Quetzalcoatl · 06-23-2016, 06:12 PM

It sounds great, but he won't be here next season. Like always.

yahyes · 06-23-2016, 10:04 PM

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Even if Whiteside agrees to come to Dallas I won't believe it until it's signed. I'm sure his word is worth a heck of a lot more than DeAndre Jordan's though.

In that case it wouldn't hurt talking to Howard in the meantime... one thing Donnie can point out is he wouldn't have to move far.

FreshJive · 06-23-2016, 10:07 PM

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This core is missing 2017 free agent, Blake Griffin...

Labrador?

yahyes · 06-23-2016, 10:10 PM

Front office shouldn't be harping not trying other moves after the meeting with Whiteside ends. They should call Howard's agent right after just to see what he thinks. Horford, Parsons, Conley, Ryan Anderson, and Pau Gasol(If we do get an agreement from Whiteside). I'm only thinking Gasol for the bench.

spreedom · 06-23-2016, 11:31 PM

LOL, we're going to end up with Tyson again, aren't we?

ddh33 · 06-24-2016, 01:03 AM

I don't know much about his personality or character, but based on skills I would have Hassan Whiteside as the #1 target of the summer.

mac222b · 06-24-2016, 03:29 AM

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LOL, we're going to end up with Tyson again, aren't we?

May be the most likely scenario at this point

Bryan_Wilson · 06-24-2016, 03:57 AM

I do think that outside of a Parsons/Howard love fest bringing Howard here that Whiteside is the most likely of the "top guys" we could bring here. Plus outside of speculation we haven't heard DH12's name and if they are similar salaries I'd prefer Whiteside anyway I guess just because of age and wear/tear. He does worry me though because IIRC his impact on team defense was very poor last year. I don't watch that shit team tho so idk if he is necessarily fully at fault.

Underdog · 06-24-2016, 12:56 PM

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The Dallas Mavericks have emerged as a serious suitor for Heat center Hassan Whiteside, who becomes a free agent on July 1. ESPN Dallas reported on Thursday that Dallas expects to be granted a meeting with Whiteside in the opening hours of free agency.

A friend of Whiteside did not dispute that report and said Whiteside, through back-channels, is generating considerable interest around the league. ESPN identified Portland as another team expected to seriously pursue Whiteside.

That friend said Whiteside prefers to stay with the Heat if all things are equal financially.

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nb...e85649272.html

Gonna have to offer a max contract for him to even consider Dallas.

EricaLubarsky · 06-24-2016, 01:17 PM

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Gonna have to offer a max contract for him to even consider Dallas.

How he rates
#2 in rebounding rate/percentage among all players (only Drummond higher)
#2 in defensive rebounding rate/percentage among all players (only Drummond higher)
#8 in EWA (estimated wins added) among all players
#1 in EWA among NBA centers
#2 in blocks per game
#1 in blocks for 2015-2016 season

compared to other centers
Whiteside - 40.2 rebound rating/ 16.6 block rate
Howard - 36.7 rebound rating/ 6.5 block rating
Drummond - 44.8 rebound rating/ 5.4 block rating
Mejri - 29.6 rebound rating/ 14.0 block rating
Pachulia 36.1 rebound rating/ 1.7 block rating
Jordan - 39.3 rebound rating/ 9.0 block rating

I'd say he's worth the max, which for him is only about 16mill/year. We need a guy who can block shots and rebound. That's basically all he can do and he could be the best in the whole league at that.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-24-2016, 01:23 PM

Whiteside and Mejri would be a shot blocking force to be reckoned with.

But if Miami offers him the max, then the Mavs need a quick plan b at center.

FreshJive · 06-24-2016, 02:19 PM

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How he rates
#2 in rebounding rate/percentage among all players (only Drummond higher)
#2 in defensive rebounding rate/percentage among all players (only Drummond higher)
#8 in EWA (estimated wins added) among all players
#1 in EWA among NBA centers
#2 in blocks per game
#1 in blocks for 2015-2016 season

compared to other centers
Whiteside - 40.2 rebound rating/ 16.6 block rate
Howard - 36.7 rebound rating/ 6.5 block rating
Drummond - 44.8 rebound rating/ 5.4 block rating
Mejri - 29.6 rebound rating/ 14.0 block rating
Pachulia 36.1 rebound rating/ 1.7 block rating
Jordan - 39.3 rebound rating/ 9.0 block rating

I'd say he's worth the max, which for him is only about 16mill/year. We need a guy who can block shots and rebound. That's basically all he can do and he could be the best in the whole league at that.

? His max is over 20 mil.

Melonhead · 06-24-2016, 02:42 PM

This is exactly why pursuing Whiteside is a lost cause. I mean sure chase it, but there's no chance he leaves a stable organization where he's been with Riley saying he's our #1 guy etc and they definitely plan on paying him max. I wouldnt consider Dallas stable at all in terms of roster. This is the same type of stuff we do every offseason. Come up with another plan at center.

FreshJive · 06-24-2016, 03:00 PM

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This is exactly why pursuing Whiteside is a lost cause. I mean sure chase it, but there's no chance he leaves a stable organization where he's been with Riley saying he's our #1 guy etc and they definitely plan on paying him max. I wouldnt consider Dallas stable at all in terms of roster. This is the same type of stuff we do every offseason. Come up with another plan at center.

He did get jerked around quite a bit by Spolestra last year. He came off the bench half the time when it was clear he should be starting, and seemed to have a short leash when he made mistakes. I guess it's possible that he isn't the biggest Spolestra fan.

EricaLubarsky · 06-24-2016, 03:31 PM

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? His max is over 20 mil.

Source? Isn't Whiteside going to be coming into year 4 in the league?

Edit: I guess it did climb that much. 21.1 mill for a player in the first 6 years. Still seems affordable when you think of how dang well we did in the minutes we actually had a defender at the 5. We were really good when Pachulia was on the bench. Whiteside is a top : center for rebounding, defense, and rim protection

Quetzalcoatl · 06-24-2016, 03:45 PM

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LOL, we're going to end up with Tyson again, aren't we?

Tyson Chandler and Ricky Rubio.

Underdog · 06-24-2016, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

This is exactly why pursuing Whiteside is a lost cause. I mean sure chase it, but there's no chance he leaves a stable organization where he's been with Riley saying he's our #1 guy etc and they definitely plan on paying him max. I wouldnt consider Dallas stable at all in terms of roster. This is the same type of stuff we do every offseason. Come up with another plan at center.

Except the rumor out of Miami is that they're trying to lowball him so they can make a run at Durant or another max player, no different than the Dallas-Parsons situation...

FreshJive · 06-24-2016, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Source? Isn't Whiteside going to be coming into year 4 in the league?

Edit: I guess it did climb that much. 21.1 mill for a player in the first 6 years. Still seems affordable when you think of how dang well we did in the minutes we actually had a defender at the 5. We were really good when Pachulia was on the bench. Whiteside is a top : center for rebounding, defense, and rim protection

Oh yeah, he's absolutely worth it. He's not without risk, but I can see why he is thier primary target.

Underdog · 06-24-2016, 05:35 PM

@amirchandani41: Oh God, it's happening.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-24-2016, 06:31 PM

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@amirchandani41: Oh God, it's happening.

I thought Cuban was following Whiteside like a week or more ago.

sefant77 · 06-24-2016, 11:25 PM

No, Whiteside started following Cuban a week ago

Underdog · 06-24-2016, 11:32 PM

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No, Whiteside started following Cuban a week ago

Mutual attraction.

sefant77 · 06-24-2016, 11:38 PM

Na, his agent told him to do this. To make sure Riley has the max contract in his pocket at midnight

spreedom · 06-24-2016, 11:53 PM

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Tyson Chandler and Ricky Rubio.

I'm sure this will be wildly unpopular around these parts but I think Rubio is a better long-term option than Conley, considering both players' ages and the fact that Conley is going to cost about $10M more per year.

Rubio is four years younger than Conley. He's arguably the best defensive point guard in the league (advances stats darling, also typically near the league lead in steals). The drawbacks with him are obviously his health (that I think would be less of a factor with a much better training staff here... Minnesota can't ever seem to keep their veterans healthy) and his considerable shooting/turnover issues. All of that said though... he's still freaking 26 and on an awesome contract (3 years left totaling about $43M) with the current cap! Again, a big issue there is that I don't think we have the assets to trade for him unless Minnesota just wants to salary dump him. I'd guess they won't unless they sign a big-time free agent or two, because they'll need his ~$14M just to hit the salary floor.

Considering the dearth of available point guards this summer, Rubio would be manna from heaven.

spreedom · 06-24-2016, 11:55 PM

Oh and also, while I've been banging the "sign Dwight even if it's a massive overpay" drum, I'm 100% in on Whiteside. I still think Dwight is a better player right now, but if Whiteside can stay both healthy and out of trouble, there's no question he's far better than Dwight before the end of his upcoming four-year contract.

I think one leverage move the MBT could try when negotiating with him would be trying one of those Parsons-like deals where you give him an early out so he can re-up with the team (or leave for another) and get the most money he can before he gets too old.

sefant77 · 06-24-2016, 11:55 PM

Rubio kills the spacing

spreedom · 06-25-2016, 12:10 AM

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Na, his agent told him to do this. To make sure Riley has the max contract in his pocket at midnight

I'm about 95% sure Riley offers him a max contract right away, but the only hesitation I have with that is that it's going to be really tough for the Heat to sign Wade to a long-term contract too if they give Whiteside $21M. Of course, they might get some cap relief (though a HUGE talent reduction) if Bosh is medically forced to retire, but that seems unlikely. Miami would basically have to have a fire sale to afford near-max deals for both players.

Between Bosh, Dragic, McRoberts, Josh Richardson and Winslow the Heat have $48M on their cap. Their significant free agents (i.e. guys that I expect they'll be interested in bringing back), in order of importance, are Whiteside, Wade, Deng, Tyler Johnson, Joe Johnson, Udonis Haslem, and Gerald Green. That's $46M to divvy out. Deng and Johnson are the likeliest casualties considering their price tags, but you're still talking about giving Whiteside $22M and having $26M, before cap holds etc, to fill out the rest of your roster. Seems like it would take a LOT of maneuvering to bring Wade/Whiteside back at fair market value.

All of that aside, the good organizations seem to find a way to do the unthinkable cap-wise, so it's entirely possible that they salary dump McRoberts and Dragic (or again, lose their obligations to Bosh via retirement) so they can bring absolutely everyone else back.

TL;DR -- wut

spreedom · 06-25-2016, 12:12 AM

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Rubio kills the spacing

Eh, I think if you have Dirk and Matthews (and potentially Parsons) in the lineup, you can afford to have a shooting-deficient point guard. I'd also say it's likely that at least his three point shot shows moderate improvement by the end of his contract. I'd put up with that for sure.

Don't let his boyish good looks fool you... Rubio can wreck teams defensively.