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Underdog · 05-22-2012, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by GhostFace

And why would we be interested in Bynum with his childish attitude?

Because he's the 2nd-best center in a league where the 1st-best center is just as childish? Talent is talent - attitudes can be adjusted.

That's one thing I'll give Tyson Chandler though - he probably has the best attitude out of all the top centers in the NBA...

G-Man · 05-22-2012, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

I'm not sure which is worse. Letting Nash or Tyson walk..

As much as I loved Stevie, his defense was atrocious, and the team got better after he left. They got to the finals with Terry at the point and won it all with Kidd. Nash's Phoenix teams were just like his Mavs teams...fun to watch, and destined to lose.

Tyson, on the other hand, was the missing link. A great center who fits is just as important as a great PG. And since we already had a hall of fame PG, we should have kept one of the top 5 centers. But we can't go back in time, so we have to move forward and hope the MBT can make up for their past mistake.

Time to pull another rabbit out of the hat, Donnie. Go.

Scott McGuire · 05-22-2012, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by G-Man

As much as I loved Stevie, his defense was atrocious, and the team got better after he left. They got to the finals with Terry at the point and won it all with Kidd. Nash's Phoenix teams were just like his Mavs teams...fun to watch, and destined to lose.

Tyson, on the other hand, was the missing link. A great center who fits is just as important as a great PG. And since we already had a hall of fame PG, we should have kept one of the top 5 centers. But we can't go back in time, so we have to move forward and hope the MBT can make up for their past mistake.

Time to pull another rabbit out of the hat, Donnie. Go.

While I'm glad you aimed the ending towards the idea that moving forward is your priority, I disagree with much of the rest of your post.

As was mentioned earlier. We almost won the "NBA Finals" in 2003. 2003 was the beginning of the Dirk/Nash prime. We can assume that the winner of Dallas/San Antonio beats that Nets team 9 out of 10 times. We lost in 2004 because we traded Raef for Antoine Walker and NVE for Antwan Jamison and then had Nash wear down at the end of the season. The year of the Power Forward was terrible. That Kings 1st round series was really similar to the Thunder series we just lost except we won 1. Cuban thought Nash's fatigue/wearing out problem wasn't going to get better with age. He was wrong.

With Nash still going on his extreme health kick and playing his entire prime with prime Dirk I sincerely believe They would have at least one championship together. And been fun to watch as they did it. (Canada day 2004 why do you haunt me?)

I've made my opinion known, but unless Tyson was willing to take 9/10 million a year we couldn't construct a roster for the future tying up 14 million/year in a great defensive center with no ability to initiate offense, despite the fact that he is efficient there. Without a superstar you max out at about the current Philadelphia squad or the Grizzles. If you sign Tyson you can't get a superstar in free agency unless you can magically make Deron or another star in 2013 sign for less than max. I'm an advocate for only getting 2 near max players unless a sure fire number 3 comes along and you have capspace. If I'm the Thunder I match any offer Harden gets next year after I already try and extend him as far as possible.

(on another note)
Nash would have won in Phoenix had his owner not been cheap. Look back at the draft picks he gave away because he didn't want to pay them. It's amazing how good those teams could have been. (Luol Deng in 2004)(Nate Robinson in 2005)(Rajon Rondo in 2006)(Rudy Fernadez in 2007)

BGMaverick9 · 05-22-2012, 03:27 PM

The only real concern I'd have with Bynum is his health. I know he got away relatively clean this year with injuries, but he has had a history of injuries. I think this year was due to trying a new method of rehabilitation or a different procedure. Eventually, if you're body is prone to injuries (guys that big have a history of that), your body will react to what you're doing and you'll just have to keep searching for another route for recovery.

Maybe Germa-Knee or something, that seems to be the quick fix for guys now.

mavs777 · 05-22-2012, 03:35 PM

Even with his childish attitude and not giving much effort at all on defensive end bynums a top 15 player

Erod · 05-22-2012, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Using your grade A logic here...

If Cuban "accidentally" won a championship, then why would it be so essential to keep the same team together? It was only by chance that he won it...right?

You missed the point.

There was little fanfare when Chandler arrived. If not for a failed physical in OKC, he wouldn't have been here. He was a bandaid for a horrific signing in Haywood.

The thing wasn't working, and the big names weren't interested. Then, magic happened, and the thing caught fire after limping into the playoffs.

Cuban did NOT expect last year to happen, but it did. It was ACCIDENTAL in that regard. Then, he broke it up ON PURPOSE.

That was the point.

BGMaverick9 · 05-22-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Erod

You missed the point.

There was little fanfare when Chandler arrived. If not for a failed physical in OKC, he wouldn't have been here. He was a bandaid for a horrific signing in Haywood.

Horrific? Alrighty then.

GhostFace · 05-23-2012, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Because he's the 2nd-best center in a league where the 1st-best center is just as childish? Talent is talent - attitudes can be adjusted.

That's one thing I'll give Tyson Chandler though - he probably has the best attitude out of all the top centers in the NBA...

I'll agree that he has talent. True attitudes can be adjusted, in the case with LO he was carrying too much emotional baggage from his past. With Bynum it's a whole different story, he shows up when he wants and when he doesn't it, it's pretty terrible. I would prefer a center who might not be a top 5 center in the NBA, but whose attitude is a work hard every day kind of guy. Honestly I'm getting tired of pampering players in return for what? Most players cannot handle Cuban's in your face owner ship approach and I cannot see a child like Bynum wanting to deal with that at all.

Speaking of Cubes in your face approach, I would love to see him verbal the shit out of Fail County. God I hate that team.

saclare · 05-23-2012, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Horrific? Alrighty then.

It's easier to ignore Erod's posts. The jumbled text, always with no validity, more resemble removing his/her hands from the keyboard and banging their head repeatedly, then clicking submit.

dude1394 · 05-23-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GhostFace

I'll agree that he has talent. True attitudes can be adjusted, in the case with LO he was carrying too much emotional baggage from his past. With Bynum it's a whole different story, he shows up when he wants and when he doesn't it, it's pretty terrible. I would prefer a center who might not be a top 5 center in the NBA, but whose attitude is a work hard every day kind of guy. Honestly I'm getting tired of pampering players in return for what? Most players cannot handle Cuban's in your face owner ship approach and I cannot see a child like Bynum wanting to deal with that at all.

Speaking of Cubes in your face approach, I would love to see him verbal the shit out of Fail County. God I hate that team.

Bynum and Kobe just got the crap beat out of them. Bynum looks like a very empty stat stuffer. Talented but very little if any actual heart. I'll take Tyson over him anyway. And I'm serious.

mavs777 · 05-23-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Bynum and Kobe just got the crap beat out of them.

As did Tyson.

Kidd Karma · 05-23-2012, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GhostFace

I'll agree that he has talent. True attitudes can be adjusted, in the case with LO he was carrying too much emotional baggage from his past. With Bynum it's a whole different story, he shows up when he wants and when he doesn't it, it's pretty terrible. I would prefer a center who might not be a top 5 center in the NBA, but whose attitude is a work hard every day kind of guy. Honestly I'm getting tired of pampering players in return for what? Most players cannot handle Cuban's in your face owner ship approach and I cannot see a child like Bynum wanting to deal with that at all.

Speaking of Cubes in your face approach, I would love to see him verbal the shit out of Fail County. God I hate that team.

The guy's head is as big as his paycheck. He's too cool to work too hard, if there's no chance to win. That's what his attitude is, I mean he took down Barea because he wanted out of an embarrassing sweep last season. Kobe doesn't need to yell at the guy game to game, he needs to work on him in TC. Kobe needs to be consistently feeding Bynum, right now it's a struggle for the rock and Kobe's winning it, when Bynum sees that his feelings are hurt and just goes into a shell effort wise, poor defense, no effort in rebounding.

mavs777 · 05-23-2012, 02:49 PM

All reports are Bynum actually works very hard off the court to improve his game, he just has a big ego problem.

GermanDunk · 05-23-2012, 03:25 PM

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Start around 11:50

Where can i download the .mp3 ?

dude1394 · 05-23-2012, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

As did Tyson.

Yes but Carmelo is NOT. Dirk or Kobe.

ibivibiv · 05-24-2012, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Horrific? Alrighty then.

Yeah horrific is a bit much. But he is definitely not worth what we are paying. I sense an amnesty in his future.

Erod · 05-29-2012, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by saclare

It's easier to ignore Erod's posts. The jumbled text, always with no validity, more resemble removing his/her hands from the keyboard and banging their head repeatedly, then clicking submit.

Also known as the truth, of which you can not wrap your blind homeristic mind around.

LonghornDub · 05-29-2012, 02:02 PM

Derp.

Erod · 05-29-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Derp.

Sheep.

Underdog · 05-29-2012, 02:56 PM

Double-derp.

rabbitproof · 05-29-2012, 02:57 PM

Title of the thread makes me think he is mad every single day.

Underdog · 05-29-2012, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Title of the thread makes me think he is mad every single day.

Except he has 58 million reasons to get over it...

tcat075 · 05-29-2012, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Title of the thread makes me think he is mad every single day.

Maybe he is. You don't know him. You don't know his life. Maybe he cries himself to sleep every night. I would too, if I had to play offense with Carmelo and had Amare as the other big man on defense.

BGMaverick9 · 05-29-2012, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

Maybe he is. You don't know him. You don't know his life. Maybe he cries himself to sleep every night.

If I remember anything from last year, I know that he'd be a guy that just stares at the ceiling.