Chandler still mad the Mavs didn't resign him - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Thomas86 · 05-18-2012, 06:56 PM

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=7942886

Start around 11:50

dude1394 · 05-18-2012, 07:23 PM

Me too Ty.

twelli · 05-18-2012, 08:02 PM

that's a bit surprising, I thought we had a front office that is not shying away from
confrontation...

LSMF · 05-18-2012, 09:17 PM

I feel your pain, TC. Well we're back to losing in the 1st round so hopefully they're happy now.

adonis · 05-19-2012, 12:34 AM

Ugh. In retrospect, you don't go from Tyson to Deron. Not even Tyson to Douche Dwight.

Thanks, Mark

mavs777 · 05-19-2012, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by adonis

Ugh. In retrospect, you don't go from Tyson to Deron. Not even Tyson to Douche Dwight.

Thanks, Mark

I'm assuming you either are being sarcastic or do not understand basketball.

BGMaverick9 · 05-19-2012, 12:37 AM

Lolz to some of the posts in here.

clutch#41 · 05-19-2012, 12:38 AM

why is this even a thread?

Underdog · 05-19-2012, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by adonis

Ugh. In retrospect, you don't go from Tyson to Deron. Not even Tyson to Douche Dwight.

Thanks, Mark

wat

CaseyJones · 05-19-2012, 01:21 AM

This isn't surprising at all, what's surprising is that Tyson basically came out and said he wants to see the Mavs win more rings after he signed to the Knicks.

oilfieldtrash · 05-19-2012, 11:39 AM

I'm not sure which is worse. Letting Nash or Tyson walk..

grndmstr_c · 05-19-2012, 12:19 PM

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I'm not sure which is worse. Letting Nash or Tyson walk..

This is a joke, right?

LonghornDub · 05-19-2012, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by adonis

Ugh. In retrospect, you don't go from Tyson to Deron. Not even Tyson to Douche Dwight.

Thanks, Mark

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Lolz to some of the posts in here.

Well, I think that pretty much sums it up.

LonghornDub · 05-19-2012, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas86

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=7942886

Start around 11:50

Just listened to this. The bit about Tyson being "mad" is at least interesting (although obvious), but the rest of the interview is utter garbage and speculation. They're sitting there insinuating that the Mavs 1) are scared to "confront" players and be honest with them and 2) are thus not a "great" organization. Both of those things are plainly contrary to the facts. Ask Lamar Odom if the Mavs are scared to confront players.

And by the way, Tyson's alleged comment that the "Spurs woulda been more up front with me"--if he really said that--is pretty classic victimization.

Murphy3 · 05-19-2012, 01:20 PM

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Just listened to this. The bit about Tyson being "mad" is at least interesting (although obvious), but the rest of the interview is utter garbage and speculation. They're sitting there insinuating that the Mavs 1) are scared to "confront" players and be honest with them and 2) are thus not a "great" organization. Both of those things are plainly contrary to the facts. Ask Lamar Odom if the Mavs are scared to confront players.

And by the way, Tyson's alleged comment that the "Spurs woulda been more up front with me"--if he really said that--is pretty classic victimization.

I don't think that the way the Lamar Odom situation was handled is proof of anything positive.

LonghornDub · 05-19-2012, 01:23 PM

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I don't think that the way the Lamar Odom situation was handled is proof of anything positive.

That's not responsive to my point. I didn't put a "positive" or "negative" value judgment on it.

The assertion was: the Mavs' front office does not confront players. Not only is there no factual basis for that statement, but there is evidence establishing the exact opposite. Whether that's "good" or "bad" is a separate issue.

jthig32 · 05-19-2012, 01:40 PM

And as Skin pointed out this week, the Spurs won a championship and didn't invite Avery Johnson back. Then they won a championship with Tony Parker and spent all summer flirting with Jason Kidd. And you think Pop was every where massaging egos? No. You do what you think is best for your organization. If anything, you can make the case the Spurs have been MORE successful than the Mavs in part because they've been MORE cut throat, and not fallen in love with their players to the extent that the Mavs have.

It's complete bullsh, and it's nothing but sour grapes from Tyson, who is probably seriously re-thinking turning down a two year offer from us as he surveys the mess he's attached himself to in NY.

LonghornDub · 05-19-2012, 01:47 PM

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It's complete bullsh, and it's nothing but sour grapes from Tyson, who is probably seriously re-thinking turning down a two year offer from us as he surveys the mess he's attached himself to in NY.

Absolutely.

jthig32 · 05-19-2012, 01:50 PM

But...despite the fact that I think it's complete bulls..it absolutely does not make me feel better about our chances to land Deron.

Whether it's justified or not, Tyson feeling cheated by us can't be a good thing for our reputation with free agents around the league.

Doesn't mean it's a deal breaker...hopefully there are agents out there smart enough to explain the situation to their clients. But it doesn't help.

oilfieldtrash · 05-19-2012, 02:14 PM

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This is a joke, right?

For this team no.Mavs need size and defense more than a flashy point guard. Hence why when Nash left we went to the finals. Chandler left and the formula for beating the Mavs is once again to just pound them inside. Better question is are you joking.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-19-2012, 02:23 PM

A lot of that podcast seems very fishy. He not only doesn't really quote Tyson directly, but flat out says false things like "he was willing to take a hometown discount." Does anyone have some other sort of proof of this? I don't remember hearing about Chandler willing to take any kind of discount contract with us.

Dirkadirkastan · 05-19-2012, 02:47 PM

But we did "resign" him...

SlimBig · 05-19-2012, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

And as Skin pointed out this week, the Spurs won a championship and didn't invite Avery Johnson back. Then they won a championship with Tony Parker and spent all summer flirting with Jason Kidd. And you think Pop was every where massaging egos? No. You do what you think is best for your organization. If anything, you can make the case the Spurs have been MORE successful than the Mavs in part because they've been MORE cut throat, and not fallen in love with their players to the extent that the Mavs have.

It's complete bullsh, and it's nothing but sour grapes from Tyson, who is probably seriously re-thinking turning down a two year offer from us as he surveys the mess he's attached himself to in NY.

I disagree totally that it's "complete bullsh" (c) Dan McDowell.
I think that Cuban and Co. handled the Tyson situation very poorly and was a terrible PR move.

Seriously, who's the biggest free agent Cuban's signed since he's owned the franchise?
I'm not talking about traded for, but signed (and not past their prime)?

To think that we had a chance at Dwight and Deron over the Lakers or NYC is nuts.
He could have signed Chandler to a decent contract, maybe even Barea also, amnesty Haywood and make a possible run at Deron this summer.

Deron would have been a longshot and doubtful signing but at least we could have defended our title.
Chandler, Barea and Delonte filling in for Stevenson would have been more that enough to compete this playoff year.

LonghornDub · 05-19-2012, 03:54 PM

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Seriously, who's the biggest free agent Cuban's signed since he's owned the franchise?
I'm not talking about traded for, but signed (and not past their prime)?

Excellent logic there. Truly superb.

Remind me: Who was the biggest free agent the Heat had signed (not traded for!!!) before they made the biggest free agency splash in NBA history?

rabbitproof · 05-19-2012, 04:17 PM

We don't know what was really said. Tyson may be telling the truth. His speculation about the Spurs is just conjecture.

I can't say that if the Defensive Player of the Year was on the market now, he wouldn't be worth a near max though.

Timing can be a bitch.

adonis · 05-19-2012, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

For this team no.Mavs need size and defense more than a flashy point guard. Hence why when Nash left we went to the finals. Chandler left and the formula for beating the Mavs is once again to just pound them inside. Better question is are you joking.

THANK YOU.

Some here are acting like Deron+Dirk > Dirk+Tyson. There are such a limited amount of good centers out there, we finally got one and we decide to let him go.

Cuban has this team making the playoffs for another 5 years, but I rather win 1 more championship than 5 straight 2nd round exits.

grndmstr_c · 05-19-2012, 06:41 PM

And the thread just keeps getting better.

Underdog · 05-19-2012, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by adonis

Some here are acting like Deron+Dirk > Dirk+Tyson. There are such a limited amount of good centers out there, we finally got one and we decide to let him go.

Deron Williams: 7 seasons, 3 All-Star appearances
Tyson Chandler: 11 seasons, 0 All-Star appearances

Good centers are tough to find in this league, but good point guards aren't any easier...

BGMaverick9 · 05-19-2012, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by adonis

THANK YOU.

Some here are acting like Deron+Dirk > Dirk+Tyson. There are such a limited amount of good centers out there, we finally got one and we decide to let him go.

Cuban has this team making the playoffs for another 5 years, but I rather win 1 more championship than 5 straight 2nd round exits.

I'm not sure if you've noticed but the league is about speed, athleticism and getting to the rim. It's a guard-driven, specifically point guard, league. It's not like they just said, see ya, Tyson. They made an offer and it wasn't in the best interest to Tyson.

Getting to the playoffs is what you need to do to win a championship. Did the Mavs last year look like a juggernaut going into the playoffs last year? No, they built momentum after getting in there and had promising signs over the year. If you don't like making the playoffs for 5 years, go be a fan of Charlotte.

adonis · 05-19-2012, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Deron Williams: 7 seasons, 3 All-Star appearances
Tyson Chandler: 11 seasons, 0 All-Star appearances

Good centers are tough to find in this league, but good point guards aren't any easier...

Oh right, the all-star argument

2011 Mavs: 1 All Star

2004 Mavs: 4 All Stars

adonis · 05-19-2012, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I'm not sure if you've noticed but the league is about speed, athleticism and getting to the rim. It's a guard-driven, specifically point guard, league. It's not like they just said, see ya, Tyson. They made an offer and it wasn't in the best interest to Tyson.

Getting to the playoffs is what you need to do to win a championship. Did the Mavs last year look like a juggernaut going into the playoffs last year? No, they built momentum after getting in there and had promising signs over the year. If you don't like making the playoffs for 5 years, go be a fan of Charlotte.

2011: Kidd
2009-10: Fisher
2008: (unproven) Rondo
2007: Parker
2006: Jason Williams
2005: (unproven) Parker
2004: Billups
2003: (unproven) Parker
2000-02: Fisher
1999: Avery Johnson
96-98: Ron Harper

"If you don't like making the playoffs for 5 years, go be a fan of Charlotte."

And why don't you go ahead and drool over the Utah Jazz from '83 to '03.

LonghornDub · 05-19-2012, 07:55 PM

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2011: Kidd
2009-10: Fisher
2008: (unproven) Rondo
2007: Parker
2006: Jason Williams
2005: (unproven) Parker
2004: Billups
2003: (unproven) Parker
2000-02: Fisher
1999: Avery Johnson
96-98: Ron Harper

....he is clearly talking about your primary ball handling guard. Were Fisher or Williams the primary ballhandling guards for those teams?

Good god, man.

adonis · 05-19-2012, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

....he is clearly talking about your primary ball handling guard. Were Fisher or Williams the primary ballhandling guards for those teams?

Good god, man.

Good god, man. Like the Mavs last year had a guard anywhere near the calibre of Deron.

Oh wait, are you going to say that was a fluke championship win?

Dirkadirkastan · 05-19-2012, 08:15 PM

"Unproven"? I thought the fastest waterbugs were the youngest ones.

Underdog · 05-19-2012, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by adonis

Oh right, the all-star argument

2011 Mavs: 1 All Star

2004 Mavs: 4 All Stars

All-Star selections are 100% about the individual, so comparing teams instead of players doesn't invalidate my point whatsoever.

LonghornDub · 05-19-2012, 08:18 PM

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Good god, man. Like the Mavs last year had a guard anywhere near the calibre of Deron.

Oh wait, are you going to say that was a fluke championship win?

Christ. No, it wasn't a fluke. It was an outlier relative to the norm, in this way and several others. Winning a championship with only one all-star? Also an outlier. That doesn't mean it's a "fluke." You don't "fluke" your way into 16 playoff wins.

But of course, I'm not really expecting you to be precise or thoughtful with your word choice.

BGMaverick9 · 05-20-2012, 01:08 AM

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Christ. No, it wasn't a fluke. It was an outlier relative to the norm, in this way and several others. Winning a championship with only one all-star? Also an outlier. That doesn't mean it's a "fluke." You don't "fluke" your way into 16 playoff wins.

But of course, I'm not really expecting you to be precise or thoughtful with your word choice.

Baby Jesus.

That's all, just wanted to keep that trend going.

chumdawg · 05-20-2012, 01:18 AM

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Christ. No, it wasn't a fluke. It was an outlier relative to the norm, in this way and several others. Winning a championship with only one all-star? Also an outlier. That doesn't mean it's a "fluke." You don't "fluke" your way into 16 playoff wins.

But of course, I'm not really expecting you to be precise or thoughtful with your word choice.

I don't disagree with you. In fact, I think people make the same mistake when they dismiss Nellie's teams. Lot of people say that Nellie's style could "never win it all"...but it came damn close in '03. Dirk doesn't go down against the Spurs, and maybe we take that series, and the one after. The "fluke" was the injury, not the success of the style.

OKC of this year and last is likely going to deal with this same issue. On perhaps slightly different dimensions...but the same issue.

Dtownsfinest · 05-20-2012, 01:51 AM

Pains me to know that Chandler wanted to be back here and we basically said "No thanks". All for the pipe dream of Dwight and Deron.

chumdawg · 05-20-2012, 02:04 AM

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Pains me to know that Chandler wanted to be back here and we basically said "No thanks". All for the pipe dream of Dwight and Deron.

I don't think they said "No, thanks." I think they said "We can do better."