Official trade watch 2020-2021

[EricaLubarsky]

37 days until the trade deadline

[Melonhead]

Honestly at a loss for what the team should do.

Trade THJ? But what is a primary need? We have so many own dimensional guys. A priority for the off-season will be to retain Brunson

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Honestly at a loss for what the team should do.

Trade THJ? But what is a primary need? We have so many own dimensional guys. A priority for the off-season will be to retain Brunson

1) I think the presence of Chriss shows you just how important that forward spot is-- particularly the 4. Chriss is great, but if you can (with @#$@ for assets) get an upgrade/supplement for Chriss like Jerami Grant/Pascal Siakam, you do it. KP played super well next to Chriss and then we saw how well Luka did which just proves how much of a black hole the PF spot is. We need athleticism, length, rebounding, and defense next to Luka and KP. Sabonis provides less athleticism/length/rebounding/defense role but could be a deadly passer and playmaker next to KP and Luka. DFS is a strong player who doesn't wilt under pressure, but he's been far too exposed guarding bigger players. You keep DFS as a 3/D SF or you throw him into a trade if it makes you significantly better.

2) Clear salary. With or without Brunson, we are over the cap/tax and will be for as long as we have KP/Luka both taking the max. I'm not sure the FO wants to offer Brunson what it will take to get him (20+/year) if it means paying the tax for the exact same barely-.500 team we are fielding. Unless we make a blockbuster deal to get rid of KP, we only really have a few options. We have to get better, clear cap space, or both.

2a) Shedding THJ (even just for space) makes the most sense. He has a long deal, but it's a fairly friendly one and goes down by the year and is fairly palatable for a team in need of scoring. Is anyone desperate enough to take him, though? Maybe not this year, but maybe next year or the year after as the $ goes down.
2b) Powell will have 1.5 years left and getting out of that could open up some opportunities. He's a great locker room guy and expiring contract next year but absolutely worthless without a playmaker capable of lobs
2c) Kleber? He only has 1.5 more years at a very reasonable salary. He defends, fits the system well, and hits the three. I wouldn't protect him, but I also wouldn't shop him for salary savings alone.
2d) Bullock - again he's paid fairly reasonably paid which means he could be an asset, but if he can keep playing defense while hitting threes, he's exactly the player you want.
2e) the small contracts. Sterling, Boban, Franky, and Moses are all outperforming their salaries and you aren't going to get under the cap by trading them. Burke is worth exploring as a way of getting a roster spot for Chriss, but also won't clear massive space for you to keep Brunson.

Some will say that we need another playmaker, but Kidd has made KP into a solid playmaker (4.7 assists in last 3 games) and we've even seen solid team playmaking recently including a 10assist game from Green. Brunson has also been solid at 6ast. I'm not sure you go looking for another playmaker, particularly with such a glaring need at PF and so few assets to work with.

[DannyFortsonBakedPotato]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

1) I think the presence of Chriss shows you just how important that forward spot is-- particularly the 4. Chriss is great, but if you can (with @#$@ for assets) get an upgrade/supplement for Chriss like Jerami Grant/Pascal Siakam, you do it. KP played super well next to Chriss and then we saw how well Luka did which just proves how much of a black hole the PF spot is. We need athleticism, length, rebounding, and defense next to Luka and KP. Sabonis provides less athleticism/length/rebounding/defense role but could be a deadly passer and playmaker next to KP and Luka. DFS is a strong player who doesn't wilt under pressure, but he's been far too exposed guarding bigger players. You keep DFS as a 3/D SF or you throw him into a trade if it makes you significantly better.

2) Clear salary. With or without Brunson, we are over the cap/tax and will be for as long as we have KP/Luka both taking the max. I'm not sure the FO wants to offer Brunson what it will take to get him (20+/year) if it means paying the tax for the exact same barely-.500 team we are fielding. Unless we make a blockbuster deal to get rid of KP, we only really have a few options. We have to get better, clear cap space, or both.

2a) Shedding THJ (even just for space) makes the most sense. He has a long deal, but it's a fairly friendly one and goes down by the year and is fairly palatable for a team in need of scoring. Is anyone desperate enough to take him, though? Maybe not this year, but maybe next year or the year after as the $ goes down.
2b) Powell will have 1.5 years left and getting out of that could open up some opportunities. He's a great locker room guy and expiring contract next year but absolutely worthless without a playmaker capable of lobs
2c) Kleber? He only has 1.5 more years at a very reasonable salary. He defends, fits the system well, and hits the three. I wouldn't protect him, but I also wouldn't shop him for salary savings alone.
2d) Bullock - again he's paid fairly reasonably paid which means he could be an asset, but if he can keep playing defense while hitting threes, he's exactly the player you want.
2e) the small contracts. Sterling, Boban, Franky, and Moses are all outperforming their salaries and you aren't going to get under the cap by trading them. Burke is worth exploring as a way of getting a roster spot for Chriss, but also won't clear massive space for you to keep Brunson.

Some will say that we need another playmaker, but Kidd has made KP into a solid playmaker (4.7 assists in last 3 games) and we've even seen solid team playmaking recently including a 10assist game from Green. Brunson has also been solid at 6ast. I'm not sure you go looking for another playmaker, particularly with such a glaring need at PF and so few assets to work with.

Lol, what? Sabonis is 4th in the NBA in RPG. He averages almost 12 per game for his career...

[saclare]

EL, great note on THJ and his shrinking AAV contract. Totally forgot about that and despite feelings over the resigning, a silver lining and a bone to throw the FO on the structure, at least. That 3rd and 4th year could prove to be bargain years. Now, to the Mavs or another team remains to be seen.

[BPo001]

Tim MacMahon: Source: Mavs plan to keep reserve big man Moses Brown, whose $1.7M salary becomes guaranteed today. Brown, 22, has contributed in spot duty this season (79 points, 51 rebounds, .605 FG% in 148 minutes). – via Twitter espn_macmahon

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Tim MacMahon: Source: Mavs plan to keep reserve big man Moses Brown, whose $1.7M salary becomes guaranteed today. Brown, 22, has contributed in spot duty this season (79 points, 51 rebounds, .605 FG% in 148 minutes). – via Twitter espn_macmahon

Good choice.

He's also minimum so his deal does not impact cap, but it would be a roster spot to retain IT, Chriss, etc.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Good choice.

He's also minimum so his deal does not impact cap, but it would be a roster spot to retain IT, Chriss, etc.

I'd be a little perturbed if they dumped Moses Brown with that contract for an IT or a Chriss, especially with the other cut-able options.

[mac222b]

No need for IT. I’d like to see them keep Chriss. Burke and Frankie are better than anything Knight or IT can give us. Pinson is JAG.

[mac222b]

No-brainer to keep Moses. Great cheap project big who can be our backup C or at worst 3rd string next season. Also good trade filler.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

And go figure that Josh Richardson is shooting 40% from three for Boston. So yeah, keep Moses just to save face from these iffy at best moves.

[Dallas41]

wrong thread

[Melonhead]

Gonna throw out a potential cheap trade idea (that’s most likely a pipe dream)

With Kuzma seemingly settling in as a starter in Washington, is there a way to get Rui Hachimura as a power forward. I doubt Washington would let him go, but it’s fun to dream and it’s realistic regarding money. He’s finally making his debut after some mental health setback and covid protocol. Will be interesting to see how he fits back with the team.

[Dallas41]

Bol-Bol was traded to Detroit

[EricaLubarsky]

Pinson getting Omoruyi’s two-way slot

Mavs working to clear a roster spot for Chriss

[saclare]

Chriss was just granted a 3rd hardship deal for 10-days as KP remains in protocols. What happens if KP is activated from protocols, does that affect the 10 day status or is it 10 days regardless?

Also, The Athletic just tweeted a Shams article about the deadline. Lots of Ben Simmons garb in there, but on of the headlines was that the Mavs are among suitors for Myles Turner. I think he would fit great here and free up KP a little more. Bigger body to bang with bigs, elite shot blocker, and capable range to not clog up spacing.

[Scoobay]

Originally Posted by saclare

Chriss was just granted a 3rd hardship deal for 10-days as KP remains in protocols. What happens if KP is activated from protocols, does that affect the 10 day status or is it 10 days regardless?

Also, The Athletic just tweeted a Shams article about the deadline. Lots of Ben Simmons garb in there, but on of the headlines was that the Mavs are among suitors for Myles Turner. I think he would fit great here and free up KP a little more. Bigger body to bang with bigs, elite shot blocker, and capable range to not clog up spacing.

per MMB (https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2022/1...quese-chriss):

New Hardship 10-Day

My reading of rules is that Chriss can sign a 3rd Hardship 10-Day contract. The big catch is that Chriss could only play for the Mavericks as long as Porzingis is in Health and Safety Protocols. When Porzingis comes out protocols, Chriss would immediately cease to be available to the Mavs unless another player enters protocols. Porzingis went into protocols Jan 3rd so he could emerge any day now. This certainly isn’t a long-term option and may not even be a short term option. Kristaps Porzingis could emerge before Wednesday’s game.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Scoobay

per MMB (https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2022/1...quese-chriss):

New Hardship 10-Day

My reading of rules is that Chriss can sign a 3rd Hardship 10-Day contract. The big catch is that Chriss could only play for the Mavericks as long as Porzingis is in Health and Safety Protocols. When Porzingis comes out protocols, Chriss would immediately cease to be available to the Mavs unless another player enters protocols. Porzingis went into protocols Jan 3rd so he could emerge any day now. This certainly isn’t a long-term option and may not even be a short term option. Kristaps Porzingis could emerge before Wednesday’s game.

I anticipate we will either
1) Waive WCS or
2) Trade him away with a second-rounder for rights to someone to clear a roster spot

That should happen by Wednesday. Then again, we can extend the time KP is out because all SHPs are handled by the team. Mavs could hypothetically not report KP's testing (if he is testing negative) for a few days beyond to give us time to get a trade going.

I think the Mavs have held off on waiving WCS because he's excellent salary ballast for potential trades and if they waive him, they lose his utility in trade in addition to his money being dead money.

[EricaLubarsky]

Honestly don't get the Turner love. KP and Turner don't co-exist and we've seen how successful KP can be next to a rebounding/defensive forward like Chriss.

I love the shot-blocking, but it's strange that Turner does not move the defensive rating needle despite being the defensive anchor. I haven't watched more than 20 minutes of Pacer basketball this season, but it does make me worried that he goes for blocks without knowing how to be a part of a functional defense.

[EricaLubarsky]

Mavs waive JaQuori McLaughlin

Frees up a roster spot, but it's a two-way only. Only guys under 4 years can get two-way deals and Chriss has more than four years played.

We also can't convert guys like Moses into two-ways as far as I can tell.

Maybe we are looking to trade WCS or Burke and getting a two-way guy back in a 1-for-1 deal? That would free up a regular 15-man spot for Chriss. We could also be looking to get Omoruyi or Carlik back (Carlik is on the last day of his ten-day with Denver now and it looks unlikely they will give him a second)

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Indiana loses again with Turner having a dud of a game. I get THJ jr not having much value, but the idea that Indiana (15-26) is in any strong negotiating position is hilarious.

Sabonis and Turner are nice players, but they aren't worth giving up half your roster and picks for.

[Melonhead]

I lean no on Turner because of KP. He’s much more aggressive inside now.

However Turner would help with rim protecting and would alleviate some board grabbing for Luka, Maxi and KP.

Idk what you trade for him THj? Don’t think Indy is interested in that. So I’m not too interested overall unless the deal was too good to pass up.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

I lean no on Turner because of KP. He’s much more aggressive inside now.

However Turner would help with rim protecting and would alleviate some board grabbing for Luka, Maxi and KP.

Idk what you trade for him THj? Don’t think Indy is interested in that. So I’m not too interested overall unless the deal was too good to pass up.

If you want rebounding (as well as passing), you make an offer on Sabonis. After a 24-rebound triple-double, it may be expensive, but I view him as the perfect 4 next to KP.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

If you want rebounding (as well as passing), you make an offer on Sabonis. After a 24-rebound triple-double, it may be expensive, but I view him as the perfect 4 next to KP.

Yea. All the talk about Turner and I'd be more willing to get a deal for Sabonis. But like Turner, it depends on the deal.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Yea. All the talk about Turner and I'd be more willing to get a deal for Sabonis. But like Turner, it depends on the deal.

Said it before, but the package to get Sabonis would seemingly be larger than for Turner. I think the possibility to get Turner is higher and that's why people are more realistically talking about him.

[spreedom]

If Turner is really available for a trade package that the Mavs could reasonably offer, we should do it. I love the Brunson, DFS, Maxi, Josh Green types, but Turner is a top 40-50 player right now, and he would instantly become the best teammate Luka's had to date.

It's all moot anyway, because Marc Stein has said that Carlisle doesn't want any of the Mavs players back in a potential trade.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by spreedom

If Turner is really available for a trade package that the Mavs could reasonably offer, we should do it. I love the Brunson, DFS, Maxi, Josh Green types, but Turner is a top 40-50 player right now, and he would instantly become the best teammate Luka's had to date.

It's all moot anyway, because Marc Stein has said that Carlisle doesn't want any of the Mavs players back in a potential trade.

I was wondering how any Pacers trade would work cause Carlisle doesn’t want any of our guys. They would regress under him from this season

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

I was wondering how any Pacers trade would work cause Carlisle doesn’t want any of our guys. They would regress under him from this season

Rick loves Powell...

Ha!

But really any trade package we have is probably

Powell + Kleber
Powell + WCS + Boban + Green
Kleber + WCS + Boban + Green

Almost certainly it would cost us Kleber and at least a FRP

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by spreedom

If Turner is really available for a trade package that the Mavs could reasonably offer, we should do it. I love the Brunson, DFS, Maxi, Josh Green types, but Turner is a top 40-50 player right now, and he would instantly become the best teammate Luka's had to date.

It's all moot anyway, because Marc Stein has said that Carlisle doesn't want any of the Mavs players back in a potential trade.

Most of those players probably didn't enjoy playing for him so that is possible.

A lot of bad blood about RC came out after he walked away

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by spreedom

If Turner is really available for a trade package that the Mavs could reasonably offer, we should do it. I love the Brunson, DFS, Maxi, Josh Green types, but Turner is a top 40-50 player right now, and he would instantly become the best teammate Luka's had to date.

It's all moot anyway, because Marc Stein has said that Carlisle doesn't want any of the Mavs players back in a potential trade.

The best teammate Luka has had to date?

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

The best teammate Luka has had to date?

Who else would it be? Porzingis? He has missed about 1/3 of his games since signing here (not even including that year where he didn't play a single game), and even when he's been on the court he's been below average-to-bad at least as often as he's been good. Myles Turner is a perennial All-Defense candidate and is shooting considerably better than KP from 3. He's also been much more durable than Porzingis.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by spreedom

Who else would it be? Porzingis? He has missed about 1/3 of his games since signing here (not even including that year where he didn't play a single game), and even when he's been on the court he's been below average-to-bad at least as often as he's been good. Myles Turner is a perennial All-Defense candidate and is shooting considerably better than KP from 3. He's also been much more durable than Porzingis.

Yea, it's def KP for me. Fair enough point about injuries, it has been a long frustrating road. On the floor though, Myles is way more likely to lay an egg than KP. Their production doesn't really compare. Even when we think KP isn't playing up to his potential, he's 20/8/2. Myles is 13/7/1. Idk. The list goes on really.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

I'd do Powell, Kleber and a first.

Can't believe I'm saying this, but I don't include Green. Mavs desperately need the energy he brings.

[EricaLubarsky]

Stein says Rick has zero interest in any Mavs player

That’s probably accurate

[tap2390]

Carlisle definitely hella salty. For all Cuban’s faults, he was loyal to RC and Donnie. The nail in the coffin of the Donnie relationship was Donnie spilling the beans to Cato for that Athletic article. The nail in the coffin of the RC relationship was IMO firing Donnie.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Carlisle definitely hella salty. For all Cuban’s faults, he was loyal to RC and Donnie. The nail in the coffin of the Donnie relationship was Donnie spilling the beans to Cato for that Athletic article. The nail in the coffin of the RC relationship was IMO firing Donnie.

Well so far Rick made the poor choice. And thank god he did. That FO was terribly inept top to bottom.

I could really care less if he doesn't want any of our players. Indiana is a sinking ship where everyone wants off and he is the captain.

[BPo001]

There’s this subplot to the Simmons situation, too: As if the uncertainty that would come with taking on his massive deal isn’t enough, sources say the Sixers have been attempting to attach forward Tobias Harris and his sizable deal in possible Simmons deals with multiple teams as well (including Atlanta and Sacramento). The 29-year-old forward, who is averaging 18.4 points, 7.5 rebounds and 3.9 assists per game, is owed a combined $79.4 million in the next two seasons. – via Sam Amick @ The Athletic

How do you package enough salary for those 2 guys?

[Lestat_1795]

Crazy that Harris ist earning 80Mio in 2 years. That’s completely bonkers.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by BPo001

There’s this subplot to the Simmons situation, too: As if the uncertainty that would come with taking on his massive deal isn’t enough, sources say the Sixers have been attempting to attach forward Tobias Harris and his sizable deal in possible Simmons deals with multiple teams as well (including Atlanta and Sacramento). The 29-year-old forward, who is averaging 18.4 points, 7.5 rebounds and 3.9 assists per game, is owed a combined $79.4 million in the next two seasons. – via Sam Amick @ The Athletic

How do you package enough salary for those 2 guys?

Umm, how does who package enough salary for those 2?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Hey, at least Simmons wants to play here...https://twitter.com/TheHoopGenius/st...78113108029448.

I'd say KP for Simmons, but Philly would want the sun and the moon to go with it. So no thanks.