Official 2008 Summer Free Agency Thread - Page 2 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

BGMaverick9 · 07-08-2008, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I think Atlanta matches anything the Clippers can offer for Smith.

what would the Clippers max offer be? I haven't kept up with the numbers.

alby · 07-08-2008, 08:48 PM

same offer that would have gone to Brand

5 year 75-80 million

alby · 07-08-2008, 08:50 PM

Baron should go somewhere else!

BGMaverick9 · 07-08-2008, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by alby

same offer that would have gone to Brand

5 year 75-80 million

If that's the actual money, if they offered it I think ATL would have a hard time matching.

alby · 07-08-2008, 08:52 PM

In making the playoffs last year, Atlanta is almost forced to have to match or else the fans will definitely lose interest.

BGMaverick9 · 07-08-2008, 08:55 PM

I thought I heard their management was split all over the place, especially when it came to his next deal and that could potentially put them in the luxury tax area, and that's not going to be allowed.

jthig32 · 07-08-2008, 08:55 PM

Atlanta has also had a change in management recently. I really think they'll match for Smith.

Dtownsfinest · 07-08-2008, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I think Atlanta matches anything the Clippers can offer for Smith.

I don't think they match a 13-14 million a year contract and I think the 6ers wouldn't mind. I know I wouldn't.

BGMaverick9 · 07-08-2008, 08:57 PM

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Atlanta has also had a change in management recently. I really think they'll match for Smith.

If so, then I REALLY can't see Childress staying.

chumdawg · 07-08-2008, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dirno2000

They don't have a point guard.

You don't like Monta in that role?

jthig32 · 07-08-2008, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

If so, then I REALLY can't see Childress staying.

Childress is not someone you worry about when resigning Josh Smith.

alby · 07-08-2008, 09:00 PM

Childress is definitely not going to stay if Smith is signed for the max.

alby · 07-08-2008, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

You don't like Monta in that role?

What I can't wait to see is when Ellis pulls a fast one on GW and leaves =p

Atlanta anyone?

chumdawg · 07-08-2008, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I wonder if Golden State can sign Maggette to that contract without renouncing Davis. If so, I wonder if Davis would reconsider.

Interesting idea, especially since his boy Brand is moving east.

But again, these verbal commitments seem to be pretty solid. And at this stage (the eve of the 9th), the ink is probably already on paper.

BGMaverick9 · 07-08-2008, 09:04 PM

He (Ellis) said he liked NY, but I doubt that happens. Who knows with him...things are changing on a day by day basis.

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Childress is not someone you worry about when resigning Josh Smith.

That would go right along the lines that Childress is very underrated in what he does. If you max out Smith and lose Childress, you have to hope to accomplish something with a SnT.

alby · 07-08-2008, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

You don't like Monta in that role?

Currently constructed, GW is on pace to about 41-43 wins in 08/09 imo.

jthig32 · 07-08-2008, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

That would go right along the lines that Childress is very underrated in what he does. If you max out Smith and lose Childress, you have to hope to accomplish something with a SnT.

If your other option is lose Smith and keep Childress, it seems like a pretty easy decision.

BGMaverick9 · 07-08-2008, 09:08 PM

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If your other option is lose Smith and keep Childress, it seems like a pretty easy decision.

well yeah, but you better have a good idea in mind to get something for Childress. Whatever your new need is: cap space, cheap vets, bodies...whatever. You can't let a young talented player leave for nothing, especially a restricted one.

LonghornDub · 07-08-2008, 09:28 PM

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They sure did. But, the Warriors may have gotten better. And the Warriors still have some bullets left to fire, no?

They may have some bullets left, but the Mavs' two primary player matchup weaknesses against the Warriors are now gone, with J-Rich having left last year and now Baron. The Warriors are still a very well-coached team, but they no longer concern me as a Mavericks' "match-up nightmare."

And, as a side note, I am doing a little victory jig to celebrate the Spurs not getting Maggette.

dirno2000 · 07-08-2008, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

You don't like Monta in that role?

Not nearly as much as I like Davis. Maybe it's because he hasn't had a chance to do it but I can't imagine that he's going to step in and run the offense like Baron. I expect to see Stephen Jackson initiating the offense a lot more this year.

AxdemxO · 07-08-2008, 09:56 PM

Soo i say we get Green and we get Green : )

I say Maggate is going to Golden State and Maggete goes to GS : )

...what should I say next

Mavs will be Champions

MavsFanFinley · 07-08-2008, 10:24 PM

GS became dangerous again. I think some of you are selling them short.

Pietrus to Orlando is a nice move for both.

I'm surprised Brand left the Clippers but Philly is a team to watch again.

Makes you wonder if Davis is going to back out of his verbal agreement now?

LonghornDub · 07-08-2008, 10:26 PM

Baron Davis is a better player than Maggette, so I'm not sure why you'd think they are any more dangerous now than they were before.

jthig32 · 07-08-2008, 10:28 PM

Golden State is considerably less dangerous in my estimation.

BGMaverick9 · 07-08-2008, 10:32 PM

Yup, GS covered up some of the departure of B-Diddy leaving, but Maggette doesn't fill that spot entirely. If they just stick with most of the same players and switch Baron for Maggette...it's a downgrade.

Philly (like most of these borderline teams) just needs to say healthy and they can make some nose in the East.

For Pietrus, he'll probably fill the void of Evans leaving or just add more depth. Redick probably isn't happy with that move as well.

stewartj · 07-08-2008, 10:41 PM

With Brand signing in Philly, Josh Smith has to go back to Atlanta. Then Monta signs in with Golden State. I guess guys like James Posey become the focus for contenders looking to take the next step.

MavsFanFinley · 07-08-2008, 10:47 PM

Now that the Spurs have lost out on Maggette I wonder who they target next?

Pietrus is headed to Orlando, Heat are signing James Jones and rumors are that Posey is headed to the Hornets.

I wonder if they sign JR Smith (who they've tried trading for in the past) to an offer sheet and wait to see if the Nuggets match? Or if they go after someone like Kelenna Azubuike or Maurice Evans? They've liked Matt Barnes in the past but he says he only wants to play for a CA team.

chumdawg · 07-08-2008, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ProdigyDub

Baron Davis is a better player than Maggette, so I'm not sure why you'd think they are any more dangerous now than they were before.

Nash was a better player than Dampier, and we all know how that turned out.

Open your minds, people!!

BGMaverick9 · 07-08-2008, 11:18 PM

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Now that the Spurs have lost out on Maggette I wonder who they target next?

Pietrus is headed to Orlando, Heat are signing James Jones and rumors are that Posey is headed to the Hornets.

I wonder if they sign JR Smith (who they've tried trading for in the past) to an offer sheet and wait to see if the Nuggets match? Or if they go after someone like Kelenna Azubuike or Maurice Evans? They've liked Matt Barnes in the past but he says he only wants to play for a CA team.

Since Maggette is gone, I'm pretty sure Boston will keep Posey.

And I think you're spot on with the Spurs ideas, in that exact order.

quietsavant · 07-08-2008, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Nash was a better player than Dampier, and we all know how that turned out.

Open your minds, people!!

This time, I think the argument is overwhelmingly on Chum's side guys. Baron Davis and Corey Magette aren't even on the same talent bracket. Baron is a ball handler, arguable the most punishing point guard in the game, a terrific three point shooter, can penetrate and dish or create his own shots, and probably get a tax list worth of free throw.
Corey is also a terrific talent, especially his ability to get to the line without the same injury risks as Baron Davis. But, without any doubt, Baron Davis was the biggest match up problem for our mavericks. And though he is talented, Corey won't be able to feel those shoes. Their lineup should look something like Ellis1/ Magette or Jackson2&3/ Biedrins may be in but Harrington is still a question mark. A little saying my pa used to say, "putting whip cream on sh-t don't make it look any tastier"

sike · 07-08-2008, 11:58 PM

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_9758862?source=rss

Mike Miller in Minny

LonghornDub · 07-09-2008, 12:13 AM

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This time, I think the argument is overwhelmingly on Chum's side guys. Baron Davis and Corey Magette aren't even on the same talent bracket. Baron is a ball handler, arguable the most punishing point guard in the game, a terrific three point shooter, can penetrate and dish or create his own shots, and probably get a tax list worth of free throw.
Corey is also a terrific talent, especially his ability to get to the line without the same injury risks as Baron Davis. But, without any doubt, Baron Davis was the biggest match up problem for our mavericks. And though he is talented, Corey won't be able to feel those shoes. Their lineup should look something like Ellis1/ Magette or Jackson2&3/ Biedrins may be in but Harrington is still a question mark. A little saying my pa used to say, "putting whip cream on sh-t don't make it look any tastier"

I'm not sure exactly what chum's argument is, or that he's even really making one, but whatever you just said certainly does not support his point that the Warriors are still dangerous.

LonghornDub · 07-09-2008, 12:15 AM

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Nash was a better player than Dampier, and we all know how that turned out.

Open your minds, people!!

I know this was tongue-in-cheek, but Dampier and Nash serve completely different roles. Baron and Maggette serve, essentially, the same role, but Baron is just much better at it.

sike · 07-09-2008, 12:17 AM

"putting whip cream on sh-t don't make it look any tastier"

is that actually a saying?....anyway....I think I'd disagree with it.

chumdawg · 07-09-2008, 12:26 AM

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"putting whip cream on sh-t don't make it look any tastier"

is that actually a saying?....anyway....I think I'd disagree with it.

Distancing...

sike · 07-09-2008, 12:27 AM

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Distancing...

wuss

chumdawg · 07-09-2008, 12:28 AM

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I know this was tongue-in-cheek, but Dampier and Nash serve completely different roles. Baron and Maggette serve, essentially, the same role, but Baron is just much better at it.

How do you figure they serve essentially the same role?

sike · 07-09-2008, 12:30 AM

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How do you figure they serve essentially the same role?

I'd like that clarified as well....

LonghornDub · 07-09-2008, 12:37 AM

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How do you figure they serve essentially the same role?

They're both big guards whose games are predicated on the drive. Both are very good at getting to the FT line. Both shoot 3's fairly well, though Baron is a bit more of a "volume shooter." And they both contribute about the same in terms of rebounding.

Of course, Baron is a much better passer, and Maggette is off the ball much more as a 2-guard, but certainly those differences are about 1/20th as vast as the chasm between Nash and Dampier.

We can debate the differences of a PG versus an SG, but the real point was that the Dampier to Nash analogy was weak, as it involved two guys who probably don't have a single overlapping skill.

sike · 07-09-2008, 12:43 AM

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We can debate the differences of a PG versus an SG

would we really need to?

as far as continual on the floor impact, BD and CM are nowhere close.

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but the real point was clearly that the Dampier to Nash thing was entirely different, as it involved two guys who probably don't have a single overlapping skill.

they both are killer paper, rock, and scissors players....while Nash favors paper....Damp will tend to rely on rock.