05-22-2009, 08:40 AM
|
#1
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Basketball fan nirvana
Posts: 5,625
|
Change I can believe in...
Regarding O'bamas approach to the war on terr'r...
Quote:
[Cheney's] premise that the Obama administration has reversed Bush-era policies is largely wrong. The truth is closer to the opposite: The new administration has copied most of the Bush program, has expanded some of it, and has narrowed only a bit. Almost all of the Obama changes have been at the level of packaging, argumentation, symbol, and rhetoric.
|
O'bama is changing the spin on the Cheney approach .... that's a change I can believe in.
__________________
"It does not take a brain seargant to know the reason this team struggles." -- dmack24
Last edited by alexamenos; 05-22-2009 at 09:33 AM.
|
|
|
05-22-2009, 10:12 AM
|
#2
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Basketball fan nirvana
Posts: 5,625
|
More change I can believe in...
Quote:
WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama granted the Pentagon new power to rein in wasteful defense spending Friday, a change he said was long overdue.
|
In other news, President Obama granted the foxes broad new powers in an effort to improve the security of the hen-houses....
__________________
"It does not take a brain seargant to know the reason this team struggles." -- dmack24
|
|
|
05-22-2009, 10:26 AM
|
#3
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Basketball fan nirvana
Posts: 5,625
|
and just in case you're wondering whether the AP and folks of their ilk are mindless propagandists for the powers-that-be....
Quote:
OBAMA VOWS NOT TO SEND PEOPLE TO WAR WITHOUT CAUSE
ANNAPOLIS, Md. – President Barack Obama is promising newly graduated Navy and Marine officers that he will only send young Americans into battle when "it is absolutely necessary" .....
THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE.
|
no kidding ^^ Breaking news?
In other news, surgeon vows not to perform invasive surgery unless he thinks it's necessary, white trash trailer park dude vows not to bitch slap wife unless she's got it coming.
__________________
"It does not take a brain seargant to know the reason this team struggles." -- dmack24
|
|
|
05-22-2009, 10:52 AM
|
#4
|
Guru
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 40,410
|
Heh....quickly becoming on of my favorite threads.
__________________
"Yankees fans who say “flags fly forever’’ are right, you never lose that. It reinforces all the good things about being a fan. ... It’s black and white. You (the Mavs) won a title. That’s it and no one can say s--- about it.’’
|
|
|
06-10-2009, 06:49 PM
|
#5
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 5,249
|
Quote:
Miranda Rights for Terrorists
When 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammad was captured on March 1, 2003, he was not cooperative. “I’ll talk to you guys after I get to New York and see my lawyer,” he said, according to former CIA Director George Tenet.
Of course, KSM did not get a lawyer until months later, after his interrogation was completed, and Tenet says that the information the CIA obtained from him disrupted plots and saved lives. “I believe none of these successes would have happened if we had had to treat KSM like a white-collar criminal – read him his Miranda rights and get him a lawyer who surely would have insisted that his client simply shut up,” Tenet wrote in his memoirs.
If Tenet is right, it’s a good thing KSM was captured before Barack Obama became president. For, the Obama Justice Department has quietly ordered FBI agents to read Miranda rights to high value detainees captured and held at U.S. detention facilities in Afghanistan, according a senior Republican on the House Intelligence Committee. “The administration has decided to change the focus to law enforcement. Here’s the problem. You have foreign fighters who are targeting US troops today – foreign fighters who go to another country to kill Americans. We capture them…and they’re reading them their rights – Mirandizing these foreign fighters,” says Representative Mike Rogers, who recently met with military, intelligence and law enforcement officials on a fact-finding trip to Afghanistan.
Rogers, a former FBI special agent and U.S. Army officer, says the Obama administration has not briefed Congress on the new policy. “I was a little surprised to find it taking place when I showed up because we hadn’t been briefed on it, I didn’t know about it. We’re still trying to get to the bottom of it, but it is clearly a part of this new global justice initiative.”
That effort, which elevates the FBI and other law enforcement agencies and diminishes the role of intelligence and military officials, was described in a May 28 Los Angeles Times article.
The FBI and Justice Department plan to significantly expand their role in global counter-terrorism operations, part of a U.S. policy shift that will replace a CIA-dominated system of clandestine detentions and interrogations with one built around transparent investigations and prosecutions.
Under the "global justice" initiative, which has been in the works for several months, FBI agents will have a central role in overseas counter-terrorism cases. They will expand their questioning of suspects and evidence-gathering to try to ensure that criminal prosecutions are an option, officials familiar with the effort said.
Thanks in part to the popularity of law and order television shows and movies, many Americans are familiar with the Miranda warning – so named because of the landmark 1966 Supreme Court case Miranda vs. Arizona that required police officers and other law enforcement officials to advise suspected criminals of their rights.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to speak to an attorney, and to have an attorney present during any questioning. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be provided for you at government expense.
A lawyer who has worked on detainee issues for the U.S. government offers this rationale for the Obama administration’s approach. “If the US is mirandizing certain suspects in Afghanistan, they’re likely doing it to ensure that the treatment of the suspect and the collection of information is done in a manner that will ensure the suspect can be prosecuted in a US court at some point in the future.”
But Republicans on Capitol Hill are not happy. “When they mirandize a suspect, the first thing they do is warn them that they have the 'right to remain silent,’” says Representative Pete Hoekstra, the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee. “It would seem the last thing we want is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed or any other al-Qaeda terrorist to remain silent. Our focus should be on preventing the next attack, not giving radical jihadists a new tactic to resist interrogation--lawyering up.”
According to Mike Rogers, that is precisely what some human rights organizations are advising detainees to do. “The International Red Cross, when they go into these detention facilities, has now started telling people – ‘Take the option. You want a lawyer.’”
Rogers adds: “The problem is you take that guy at three in the morning off of a compound right outside of Kabul where he’s building bomb materials to kill US soldiers, and read him his rights by four, and the Red Cross is saying take the lawyer – you have now created quite a confusion amongst the FBI, the CIA and the United States military. And confusion is the last thing you want in a combat zone.”
One thing is clear, though. A detainee who is not talking cannot provide information about future attacks. Had Khalid Sheikh Mohammad had a lawyer, Tenet wrote, “I am confident that we would have obtained none of the information he had in his head about imminent threats against the American people.”
|
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblog...terrorists.asp
I don't know what to make of that. I thought we were all opposed to bringing these people to the States to be prosecuted and then jailed in the States. And how much will we spend getting them attorneys? I imagine we'll have to bring them back to the States to question them with an American attorney? Or is it enough to provide them an attorney from the foreign country where they are captured? Will we have our military attorneys represent them? Did the government ever resolve the question of whether or not an accused terrorist has the right to discovery of classified US documents to support their defense?
And I still don't know how the US government has jurisdiction to bring criminal charges against a foreign citizen for committing terrorist acts in a foreign country, especially if they are against foreign victims. What US law have they broken?
Maybe I'm just dumb, but this looks like a cluster waiting to happen.
__________________
Is this ghost ball??
|
|
|
06-10-2009, 07:33 PM
|
#6
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Just outside the Metroplex
Posts: 5,539
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by DirkFTW
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblog...terrorists.asp
I don't know what to make of that. I thought we were all opposed to bringing these people to the States to be prosecuted and then jailed in the States. And how much will we spend getting them attorneys? I imagine we'll have to bring them back to the States to question them with an American attorney? Or is it enough to provide them an attorney from the foreign country where they are captured? Will we have our military attorneys represent them? Did the government ever resolve the question of whether or not an accused terrorist has the right to discovery of classified US documents to support their defense?
And I still don't know how the US government has jurisdiction to bring criminal charges against a foreign citizen for committing terrorist acts in a foreign country, especially if they are against foreign victims. What US law have they broken?
Maybe I'm just dumb, but this looks like a cluster waiting to happen.
|
Anyone who has kids will understand this analogy.
Why is it that people who don't have kids at all, ALWAYS know just exactly how to raise your kids, and what you are doing wrong?
__________________
"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have". Gerald Ford
"Life's tough, it's even tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.
-Capt. Bob "Wolf" Johnson
|
|
|
06-11-2009, 01:39 PM
|
#7
|
Member
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 565
|
For a satirical slant:
http://www.thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=3558
Miranda Rights for Terrorists (Improved Intern'l Version)
__________________
Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. It bears a very close resemblance to the first.
In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress.
- John Adams
|
|
|
06-13-2009, 12:01 PM
|
#8
|
Guru
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 40,410
|
Heh...
Quote:
And now Americans are saying it is time to go with the tried and true (and conservative) approach of tax cuts:Fifty-one percent (51%) of Americans favor an across-the-board tax cut for all Americans to stimulate the U.S. economy, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey.
Thirty-four percent (34%) oppose such a tax cut, and 15% are undecided.
Fifty-nine percent (59%) of both Republicans and adults not affiliated with either major political party think an across-the-board tax cut is a good idea. Democrats are fairly evenly divided on the wisdom of such a tax cut.
|
__________________
"Yankees fans who say “flags fly forever’’ are right, you never lose that. It reinforces all the good things about being a fan. ... It’s black and white. You (the Mavs) won a title. That’s it and no one can say s--- about it.’’
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:45 PM.
|