Mavs off-season and draft 2023 thread

[saclare]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

The Bucks are sitting Giannis, Holiday, Middleton, Lopez, and Connaughton tonight. I think the Grizzlies win easily and then rest everyone for the final game against the Thunder. Not looking good for the Mavs slim play-in hopes.

If I'm right and the Bulls could settle in with 10th place heading into the draft lottery, then a win tonight would be the most foolish thing ever. I get why the players want to play, but it ain't happening...

[EricaLubarsky]

Bulls would have to beat Toronto (who they are 1-2 against), then either Heat (3-0) or the Hawks (2-2) all in a one game series for us to get bumped up one draft position.

I really wouldn't bet on it.

If you want us to get to the play-in to test our mettle and give the pick in a weak draft to NY, then we just gotta sweep the last two

If you want us to get a good pick in this draft with not many stars, but tons of good two-way guys, then you absolutely have to lose one or both of these games and pray something good happens.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Bulls would have to beat Toronto (who they are 1-2 against), then either Heat (3-0) or the Hawks (2-2) all in a one game series for us to get bumped up one draft position.

I really wouldn't bet on it.

If you want us to get to the play-in to test our mettle and give the pick in a weak draft to NY, then we just gotta sweep the last two

If you want us to get a good pick in this draft with not many stars, but tons of good two-way guys, then you absolutely have to lose one or both of these games and pray something good happens.

Looks like they are going for the pick....

Kyrie Irving (right foot injury recovery), Josh Green (rest), Tim Hardaway Jr. (left ankle soreness), Maxi Kleber (right hamstring injury recovery) and Christian Wood (rest) will all miss tonight?s game against the Bulls.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Which begs the question....why on earth did you play them all vs the Kings then?

This FO just doesn't know what the hell they are doing.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Which begs the question....why on earth did you play them all vs the Kings then?

This FO just doesn't know what the hell they are doing.

I thought the same thing. Why did you fight to win that game to rest everyone in a must win game if you?re trying to make the playoffs?

Luka just going to come out firing and try to get the scoring title?

[purplefrog]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Which begs the question....why on earth did you play them all vs the Kings then?

This FO just doesn't know what the hell they are doing.

I think FO was hoping for the Jazz to defeat the Thunder last night. When OKC won the probability to make the play-in dropped. Just a guess.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

I think FO was hoping for the Jazz to defeat the Thunder last night. When OKC won the probability to make the play-in dropped. Just a guess.

No that's at least rational.

I guess Luka is only playing tonight because it's Slovenia night. Funny, because I took my friend to his first Mavs game last year on Slovenia night and Luka didn't play. He had partied at the Mavs ball the night before...

[tap2390]

Please for the love of God tank. Especially if we're keeping Kyrie. That sounds counterintuitive so let me explain. We may not have a pick like this ever again in the Luka era.

1) We need to bring in someone with a high natural talent level either in the draft or in a trade.

2) The value of a 2023 top-10 pick is higher than a hypothetical 2025 pick.

3) If we expect to keep Kyrie having a high level talent on a rookie contract could make all the difference.

Tank Tank Tank Tank Tank

[mac222b]

Tank please. For the love of God.

Haha just realized you wrote the same thing above ☝️

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by mac222b

Tank please. For the love of God.

Haha just realized you wrote the same thing above ☝️

I?ll third it

[DevinHarriswillstart]

I also think they are doing it so they aren't in a position for the Grizzlies to purposely lose to the Thunder. Avoiding the extra embarrassment of this horrid season.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Tim MacMahon
@espn_macmahon
Sources: Luka Doncic will sit out after the first quarter tonight vs. the Bulls.

Five key Mavs, including Kyrie Irving, were ruled out this morning.

[EricaLubarsky]

Watch Harry drops 50 in the win

[SMC0007]

It will be entertaining to see who is fake rooting foe their teammates during the game. If I'm coach and they can't play, I'm telling them to stay the fvck home. If I'm a kwy player and coach says "yall are injured" then it would definitely get heated in the locker room. I imagine it's been awkward as hell behind the scenes. I'm dying to know what has transpired since Kyrie, Luka Thj and Kidd met after the Sacramento game.

[EricaLubarsky]

Look at that Bulls injury report too

Harry is going to eat them up

[SMC0007]

https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/st...wS8veA7Kg&s=19

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

It will be entertaining to see who is fake rooting foe their teammates during the game. If I'm coach and they can't play, I'm telling them to stay the fvck home. If I'm a kwy player and coach says "yall are injured" then it would definitely get heated in the locker room. I imagine it's been awkward as hell behind the scenes. I'm dying to know what has transpired since Kyrie, Luka Thj and Kidd met after the Sacramento game.

For all we know, Kyrie may be watching what Mavs management does in this situation, to decide what he wants to do next season. He may look negatively on a team that is starved for assets punting a draft pick for a small sliver of a chance at a play in game.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by FreshJive

For all we know, Kyrie may be watching what Mavs management does in this situation, to decide what he wants to do next season. He may look negatively on a team that is starved for assets punting a draft pick for a small sliver of a chance at a play in game.

You really think Kyrie has that on his mind? I don't. He went balls to the wall just 2 days ago to try and win out. The e-brake tank to get that pick is just as small of a sliver as it is in the play in. We had a chance to tank properly and instead FO does this. Lolol. Then let's Kidd go out and do everything to potentially get it taken away.

[tap2390]

This is the right thing to do. Luka & Kyrie will be fine. In fact, I bet they both want this season to be over. Both had a lot going on this year. Pack in it and let's run it back next season with renewed stars and younger, better, hungrier roster.

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

You really think Kyrie has that on his mind? I don't. He went balls to the wall just 2 days ago to try and win out. The e-brake tank to get that pick is just as small of a sliver as it is in the play in. We had a chance to tank properly and instead FO does this. Lolol. Then let's Kidd go out and do everything to potentially get it taken away.

We don?t know, but if he ever had any thought of staying here, maybe. I wanted to tank once they lost the back to back Charlotte games. If they wanted to compete for the playoffs, they should have done it there.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by FreshJive

We don?t know, but if he ever had any thought of staying here, maybe. I wanted to tank once they lost the back to back Charlotte games. If they wanted to compete for the playoffs, they should have done it there.

Players want to win. Period. Kyrie hasn't been here long enough to be making decisions based on whether or not we give that pick up for a chance to compete. I find it very hard to believe any player was ok with this decision. Competitors in the middle of the fire aren't easily capable of seeing the big picture. We are caught up in the investment of the season, but they are 10x more caught up. It's their entire life. Luka and kyrie couldn't care less about that pick is where my money is. Kyrie doesn't even know if he wants to be here. I can't imagine that he wants to be here and it really solidifies it to close up shop and get a pick for some drafted player who if we are lucky could contribute off the bench a bit.

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Players want to win. Period. Kyrie hasn't been here long enough to be making decisions based on whether or not we give that pick up for a chance to compete. I find it very hard to believe any player was ok with this decision. Competitors in the middle of the fire aren't easily capable of seeing the big picture. We are caught up in the investment of the season, but they are 10x more caught up. It's their entire life. Luka and kyrie couldn't care less about that pick is where my money is. Kyrie doesn't even know if he wants to be here. I can't imagine that he wants to be here and it really solidifies it to close up shop and get a pick for some drafted player who if we are lucky could contribute off the bench a bit.

Kyrie wants to win period? Are we talking about the same guy? When he?s in the game, sure. Off the court, he seems to make decisions based on other motivations. I?m sure he?s capable of looking outside the heat of the moment, and understanding strategy. As are other players.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by FreshJive

Kyrie wants to win period? Are we talking about the same guy? When he?s in the game, sure. Off the court, he seems to make decisions based on other motivations. I?m sure he?s capable of looking outside the heat of the moment, and understanding strategy. As are other players.

Yea. These guys want to compete if there's a chance. It's one thing to justify a stance but at some point there's no more ground. You're right. We don't know about Kyrie, but it's well documented that if there's a chance, guys want to play and guys want to win. If you step outside this stance, you really think the most important player is ok with shutting it down? You really think Luka responded with "OK, whatever yall want to do"? It's not Kyries team anyway. It's Lukas team.

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Yea. These guys want to compete if there's a chance. It's one thing to justify a stance but at some point there's no more ground. You're right. We don't know about Kyrie, but it's well documented that if there's a chance, guys want to play and guys want to win. If you step outside this stance, you really think the most important player is ok with shutting it down? You really think Luka responded with "OK, whatever yall want to do"? It's not Kyries team anyway. It's Lukas team.

I?m sure Luka was pissed. That?s why you have people who aren?t players make decisions. LeBron wanted to pay Tristan Thompson.

How did you get the board to make quotation marks instead of question marks? This is the real secret to Mavs success.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

They shoulda lost on Wednesday. Now we all get to see them blow it vs the Spurs.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by FreshJive

I?m sure Luka was pissed. That?s why you have people who aren?t players make decisions. LeBron wanted to pay Tristan Thompson.

How did you get the board to make quotation marks instead of question marks? This is the real secret to Mavs success.

Haha. Idk man. I wondered that for a while too. It might have something to do with me being in browser with android?

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

They shoulda lost on Wednesday. Now we all get to see them blow it vs the Spurs.

I wanna see Cubans fn head fall off because of this. Or I wanna see a final score of:
Spurs:37
Mavs:18

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I wanna see Cubans fn head fall off because of this. Or I wanna see a final score of:
Spurs:37
Mavs:18

They might as well make it a dodgeball game.

The most damning stat of the season though is the record of Wood vs Powell starting via Afseth...

Record as Starter:

Wood: 9-8 (9-4 w/Doncic)
Powell: 26-37 (21-28 w/Doncic)

That's the season right there.

[tap2390]

We finally did the smart thing instead of the prideful thing. Pride gets you nowhere in the league. It?s the difference between shittalking the refs and feeding them honey.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by saclare

Eh a little different in that he also went to TCU, but yea, we've beat the Bane train to death lol

Basically, I'd love for them to place more importance in the draft. Seemed to have taken a change with the Hardy pick in being aggressive to add talent.

My approach would be to float away from the high-end potential guys and get the guys who have already produced at a high level (college or G league). Those same guys have high ceilings but also high floors. Obviously this plays a little different in the top 10, but it applies to buying back into the 2nd round and whenever we have later 1st rounders.

Can go back to our championship season to see how cute they were in the drafts:

Jordan Hamilton over Jimmy Butler, Bojan Bogdanovic , hell even his own teammate in Cory Joseph showed better but...potential! Dig deeper and our favorite Chandler Parsons there in the 2nd. Our boy Bertans was found in the 2nd in this draft

2012-2013 were the picks for powder, as they were traded. Zeller and Olynyk fit the bill, but we can assume the team trading for them made the pick, and not the Mavs. This is also where the Mavs should have drafted Giannis, but we know Cuban nixed that.

Justin Anderson over Bobby Portis and Montrezl Harrell, I guess you could include Larry Nance Jr. and Kevon Looney, but I didn't think much of them at the time. Bonus Josh Richardson and Norman Powell in the 2nd

A.J. Hammons...yea yea 2nd rounder, but Goerges Niang was right there, too

Dennis Smith Jr. is one I won't harp on as it was a top 10 pick and pretty much consensus. But given guys like Donovan Mitchell and Bam Adebayo went behind him, begs for a different philosophy and scouting. Either way, this pick/player would have gone in the trade for KP

Boil it all down, the Mavs need to stop being cute with the draft and accumulate assets. Are any of the above players that we there true needle movers? No, but certainly valuable as rotation pieces and in trades. My hope is the Mavs continue to be uber aggressive in the 2nd round. Guys like Hardy can be found there. It's not easy, considering we don't have any of our actual picks for years, but we've seen it done.

Thank you. You eloquently stated what I have been telling friends for awhile. The Luka era was sabotaged partly because the cupboard was so bare when Luka got here because of the F ups you lay out from 2011 on. The misunderstanding of the 2012 CBA turned into being devoid of assets when Luka got here. So here we are.. No 2nd rounders for 7 years, no real assets that anyone wants and potentially conveying our 1st round pick to NY if we have bad lottery luck.

[Amarelooms]

The spurs needs loose or it doesn?t matter to them? They might try screw us and lose too? Also if we lose guarantees 10th pick?

[Melonhead]

Per McMahon

The nba has commenced an investigation into Dallas tanking lmaooooo this org cannot do anything right and Kidd wouldn?t stfu post game.

Hopefully this is all for show, because Portland and Utah have been tanking for awhile now.

[purplefrog]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Per McMahon

The nba has commenced an investigation into Dallas tanking lmaooooo this org cannot do anything right and Kidd wouldn?t stfu post game.

Hopefully this is all for show, because Portland and Utah have been tanking for awhile now.

I will laugh hysterically if Cuban gets fined and/or there is some other penalty handed down. The good news is Kidd's remarks might get him fired, whereas his poor coaching was unlikely to get us to that result. Kidd may have burned the bridge by saying this was a decision made by management.

I mean it is one thing to sit five/six of your rotation players (several teams are doing that), but to be leading by double digits at halftime and then not play most of those players that got you that lead, well that is obvious tanking.

[Melonhead]

I think Cuban should have to fire Kidd then sell the team. Apt consequence. No other choice.

[tap2390]

Kidd is a fucking moron. How hard is it to say that you've judged that the injury risk isn't worth it given the slim chance of making the play-in???

This whole franchise just reeks of incompetence and it starts with Cuban who is really turning into the poor man's Jerry Jones.

[EricaLubarsky]

FOUR OPTIONS

Option 1) We lose. Guaranteed 10th draft position. Doesn't matter what other teams do (9th if Bulls somehow beat both the Raptors and Heat/Hawks) - 13.9% chance of a top 4, 79.8% chance of keeping pick)

Option 2) We win against the Spurs. Both Thunder and Bulls win. We get 10th (9th if Bulls somehow beat both the Raptors and Heat/Hawks) - 13.9% chance of a top 4, 79.8% chance of keeping pick)

Option 3) We win against the Spurs. Either Thunder or Bulls lose. We split 10th/11th (9th/10th if Bulls somehow beat both the Raptors and Heat/Hawks) - 9.4% chance of a top 4, 44.6% chance of keeping pick)

Option 4) We win against the Spurs. Both the Thunder and Bulls lose. We split 10th/11th/12th (9th/10th if Bulls make the playoffs) - 10.2% chance of a top 4, 32.1% chance of keeping pick)

That's it. If we lose one more game, we are in control and guaranteed 10th with a small chance of 9th. If we win, then other teams can split out lottery odds.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Kidd is a fucking moron. How hard is it to say that you've judged that the injury risk isn't worth it given the slim chance of making the play-in???

This whole franchise just reeks of incompetence and it starts with Cuban who is really turning into the poor man's Jerry Jones.

100%!

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

FOUR OPTIONS

Option 1) We lose. Guaranteed 10th draft position. Doesn't matter what other teams do (9th if Bulls somehow beat both the Raptors and Heat/Hawks) - 13.9% chance of a top 4, 79.8% chance of keeping pick)

Option 2) We win against the Spurs. Both Thunder and Bulls lose. We get 10th (9th if Bulls somehow beat both the Raptors and Heat/Hawks) - 13.9% chance of a top 4, 79.8% chance of keeping pick)

Option 3) We win against the Spurs. Either Thunder or Bulls win. We split 10th/11th (9th/10th if Bulls somehow beat both the Raptors and Heat/Hawks) - 9.4% chance of a top 4, 44.6% chance of keeping pick)

Option 4) We win against the Spurs. Both the Thunder and Bulls win. We split 10th/11th/12th (9th/10th if Bulls make the playoffs) - 10.2% chance of a top 4, 32.1% chance of keeping pick)

That's it. If we lose one more game, we are in control and guaranteed 10th with a small chance of 9th. If we win, then other teams can split out lottery odds.

The ONLY logic is they didn?t think they?d beat the Kings as starters. OKC was not going to lose to the jazz. It really just shows how incompetent this organization is and it starts at the top with billionaire guy living out his fantasy of owning an nba team.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

I will laugh hysterically if Cuban gets fined and/or there is some other penalty handed down. The good news is Kidd's remarks might get him fired, whereas his poor coaching was unlikely to get us to that result. Kidd may have burned the bridge by saying this was a decision made by management.

I mean it is one thing to sit five/six of your rotation players (several teams are doing that), but to be leading by double digits at halftime and then not play most of those players that got you that lead, well that is obvious tanking.

Kidd has been trying to get fired all season.

Be hilarious if they try to win the next game now.

[purplefrog]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Kidd has been trying to get fired all season.

Be hilarious if they try to win the next game now.

I think they might have to "sit for rest" everyone but Frank, Wright, Lawson, Holiday, and Pinson. If someone fouls out, then play with four.