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I think I'm out on Green. He's my least favorite of all the wings who get discussed for the Mavericks. He just looks small to me, especially relative to his style of play. I even question the accuracy of his listed wingspan, tbh.
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I disagree. He reminds me of Justin Anderson with way more upside. 36% from 3 and 78% from the free throw line bode well for his future, and are numbers that Anderson didn't hit until his junior year. That being said I do think there are 18 better prospects than him.
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Green might end up being better than either of them, but I don't believe in it enough to feel like I should pick him instead of trading the pick in a package for someone I KNOW can play in an important NBA game. I just like all the other first round defensive wing types better. |
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Green is solid, but I don't take him before 31.
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I’d comp Green as Royce O’Neal only better athlete with more upside. Both are around 6’5 with 6’10 wingspan, solid bodies. Green is listed as 6-6 210 and has a good frame to put on more muscle. Not a lot of ball handling/ creation for others, though Green has at least some upside to be that. Much better pedigree. I mean we are discussing Desmond Bane around here and he took until what his senior season to become a reliable p’n’r guy? Not sure Green will ever be that but he could eventually have some off the bounce game.
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10-20-2020, 02:50 PM
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That's what people keep saying about Green, but I'm sorry, I just disagree. I recently watched a "deep dive" scouting video on him from another board which was essentially hours of game film with no commentary, and I couldn't believe how unimpressed with his athletic ability I was afterwards. Looottttts of examples of him dribbling into the paint and getting punk'd. He won't be able to even try that at the NBA level.
You can talk me into the idea that his shooting is on track, but we all agree that there's one more step of development needed there. Still, a check in the pros column for shooting. So it's 3&D, then? Only, he's REALLY small and slight (just like Jackson). Dude will never be a match for guys like Kawhi, George, Lebron. They're all too big for him, tbh. I just don't see it, personally. |
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Both ESPN and the Ringer have us with Bey again
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For those of you interested in scouting reports for the draft eligible players I highly recommend HoopIntellect’s YouTube page:
https://www.youtube.com/c/HoopIntellect The guy offers professional-level 10-15 minute scouting reports on all the major players with film. Truly phenomenal work.
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I think I would go Lewis, Maxey, Green, and toss up between Bane and Anthony. Anthony has some pretty serious size limitations and is only and ok athlete. At least Bane is a knockdown shooter— but with his own issues. Will he be able to get a off against NBA players with low release point and who does he guard? I like that he’s a hard worker and would know his role. Anthony I would worry thinks he’s some sort of star.
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The questions I have with drafting a PG: What about Burke? We can't let him slip away if we can reasonably keep him. Can they operate off ball with Luka on the floor? Can they shoot at a high clip, AND defend?
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I've been thinking about Bane a lot (and not just because I have a man crush on Tom Hardy).
This draft is really interesting because you just know some of the guys who go 11-20 are going to blossom and become stars and some are going to dud. Meanwhile there's another group of safer picks but with significantly less upside. 11) Patrick Williams --> huge upside but will he be quick enough to guard on the perimeter? 12) Precious Achiuwa --> huge upside but will he develop a consistent jumper? 13) Saddiq Bey --> low upside but almost guaranteed key role player 14) Desmond Bane --> low upside as he's already 22 but showcased an all-around game including potential as a secondary ballhandler... potentially elite shooter off-ball 15) Aaron Nesmith --> almost definitely an elite off-ball shooter but can't handle the rock as well as Bane and has durability concerns 16) Josh Green --> high upside as a 3-and-D player but will he ever be more? 17) Kira Lewis --> high upside as a speedy lead guard but will he develop a shot? 18) Tyrese Maxey --> high upside as an undersized 2 but will he shoot better in the league? 19) Cole Anthony --> high upside as a shot creator but will he just be a sixth man? 20) Tyrell Terry --> high upside as a shooting point but will he ever defend more than one position? 21) RJ Hampton --> high upside but is he all athleticism? 22) Jalen Smith --> high upside but will he be able to defend the pick and roll? 23) Tyler Bey --> low upside but almost definitely a high energy defender and rebounder I think Bane might be the best of the 'low upside' group because of the potential he shows as a pick and roll facilitator and off-ball shooter. If we feel he can consistently guard 1s we should take a strong look at him. Ultimately if will depend on how well the Mavs feel they can project one of the high upside players still available at 18 (I think we may have our pick of Anthony, Terry, and Maxey). If we take Bane at #18, with our #31 pick we can focus on getting the highest upside player (unless someone like Tyler Bey falls).
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That stroke looks clean to me. Very consistent release. I don't think he will have any issues. As far as athleticism goes, he's just not a shifty little guard like Maxey or Lewis. He's bulkier, like 20 lbs of muscle bulkier but he CAN get up when he wants to. I've seen him posterize defenders especially catching lobs. I don't think he is as agile as Desmond Mason was but he's by far a better shooter and defender. He is relentless off the ball too, reminds me a lot of Ray Allen. Admittedly I'm biased because TCU and I got to watch all the games. Surprising to see how much he shot up the draft boards but after watching many other projected 14-25 picks, I don't see any guarantees, including him but imo he does fit our needs. 2 way player that's a knockdown shooter is definitely one of them.
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If given a choice I think I would take Kira, Precious, Saddiq, Hampton, Nesmith and Terry ahead of him. Maybe Maxey and Jalen Smith. He’s in the tier with Tyler Bey, Tre Jones, Josh Green, Cole Anthony, Quickley. Last edited by mac222b; 10-23-2020 at 10:58 PM. |
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Can't believe all these mocks with us taking Green now. NO way I take him over Bane or pretty much anyone else besides Pokusevski.
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Also, the volatility just proves that this draft is super weak at superstars. I think we may see 20-30 starters coming out of this draft,t but I doubt we'll see more than 2 stars. |
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Tankathon needs to get their act together. 15 days since a mock with 10 days til the draft? Really?
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Also a lot of people are talking about how vets may get higher billing this year? Older players are often underappreciated which is where I think we can make a killing, but maybe other teams will value guys who can immediately contribute too. 1) No summer league 2) They are drafted and potentially have a week or two before training camp That's going to be a shock for a lot of rookies. Last edited by EricaLubarsky; 11-09-2020 at 10:51 AM. |
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But yeah, some rookies who might've been playable in years past might not be ready to jump in right away this year. |
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I think the real losers when it comes to Summer League are the undrafted guys and low second rounders. There are always 1-2 guys who really impress and get a look. They won't have their chance this year. |
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Interesting outside-the-box take on the draft from a guy who's watched the prospects closely.
https://theboxand1.weebly.com/draft-...ig-board-tiers
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18. Dallas – Aleksej Pokusevski, “power” forward, Olympiakos B Okay, let’s talk about the biggest mystery meat of the draft, because there is a lot of subterfuge to process here. The rumor is that Pokusevski has a promise from a team in the first round, and that’s why he bailed on the draft combine. Bigger picture, that may also be why he bailed on much of his 2019-20 season, depending on when the promise came. Adding fuel to the fire are two data points: 1) Pokusevski’s agent, Jason Ranne, used to work for the Oklahoma City Thunder, and 2) The Thunder themselves are notorious in league circles for promising their pick and having him shut down workouts and other public viewings waaaaay ahead of the draft. I don’t think the Thunder are the only ones playing poker here, though. At the 18th pick, we have a Dallas team with a noted proclivity for swinging for the fences on high-upside international prospects. Sometimes they get Dirk Nowitzki and sometimes they get Pavel Podkolzin, but they’ll keep swinging. So why wouldn’t the Mavs take a swing here? Instead, there are widespread rumors that Dallas is shopping the pick in search of a high-level wing. Color me dubious. They’re going to trade this pick for a wing when they’re trying to create max cap room in 2021? They’d either nuke the cap space or end up trading a first-round pick for a rental. This feels more like a smokescreen to dissuade the teams behind them from jumping up to 17 and taking their guy. I don’t see Pokusevski making it all the way to the Thunder at 25 in either case, which means Oklahoma City may need to use its surfeit of future firsts to move up. Regardless of which team lands Pokusevski, I think he goes in the mid-to-late teens, possibly as high as 14 to Boston. |
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