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SMC0007 · 04-01-2010, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by particleman

I wish Carlisle had played Booby with a little Kidd tonight.

yeah i bet you do.

Usually Lurkin · 04-01-2010, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

Glad someone here said what I've been thinking as of late. I don't have much hope that Roddy is going to magically morph into a great point guard. He just strikes me as an undersized shooting guard.

I hate to not see him out there with Kidd also (remember early in the year when we were seeing videos about the alley-oop play that couldn't be stopped? Man, that was great.)
But just to explore the reasoning: we need a backup point guard. JJB isn't going to cut it and JET's a shooting guard. It'd be great to have another 2 guard who can occasionally play point guard like you'd expect a 2 guard to play point. But that's just not what we need. We've been yelling at RC to let Roddy play through his mistakes and bad games all year. If he can ever play point, then the team will be better off later for the experience he's getting now.

LonghornDub · 04-01-2010, 11:06 PM

Roddy isn't ready to be an NBA point yet, but I can't believe anybody would count him out. He's an 18-year-old rookie--he's got PLENTY of time to develop that skillset.

jthig32 · 04-01-2010, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Roddy isn't ready to be an NBA point yet, but I can't believe anybody would count him out. He's an 18-year-old rookie--he's got PLENTY of time to develop that skillset.

He's actually 22, but the point is still valid. He's very raw.

Windmill360 · 04-01-2010, 11:08 PM

I think roddy will only ever be as good as Anthony Morrow, which isn't bad but also not an all-star.

twistaeffect2004 · 04-01-2010, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

I think roddy will only ever be as good as Anthony Morrow, which isn't bad but also not an all-star.

Why?

I don't think Morrow has near the physical gifts Roddy has.

CadBane · 04-02-2010, 12:09 AM

But all these times RC runs the three guard lineup of Kidd, JJB and Terry, he could have at least been running it with Roddy over JJB.

LonghornDub · 04-02-2010, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

He's actually 22, but the point is still valid. He's very raw.

You're right, I don't know why I said 18. I actually thought he was 20, so not only did I type without thinking, but I would have been wrong even if I typed what I thought.

FINtastic · 04-02-2010, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

I hate to not see him out there with Kidd also (remember early in the year when we were seeing videos about the alley-oop play that couldn't be stopped? Man, that was great.)
But just to explore the reasoning: we need a backup point guard. JJB isn't going to cut it and JET's a shooting guard. It'd be great to have another 2 guard who can occasionally play point guard like you'd expect a 2 guard to play point. But that's just not what we need. We've been yelling at RC to let Roddy play through his mistakes and bad games all year. If he can ever play point, then the team will be better off later for the experience he's getting now.

Here's the problem though. Take a look at his assist to turnover ratio. He's averaging 3.61 assists per 36 minutes and 2.84 turnovers per 36 minutes. What's interesting is these numbers are worse than JET's, and yet people say there's no way JET is a point guard (and of course I wouldn't argue with them). So why do some think Roddy is a point? According to 82games.com his PER numbers are better at the shooting guard position as well (although I'm not exactly sure how they come up with when he's at the 2 vs. the 1 and how reliable that is).

But I agree with the point on him being at his best with Kidd. I think that's a tandem that works pretty well together that I'd like to see explored by Carlisle.

pkdumas · 04-02-2010, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

He's actually 22, but the point is still valid. He's very raw.

I don't know who is what age, but I imagine Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Tony Parker, etc were showing all the signs (even if raw) at age 22. I'm not counting him out, but Roddy B is not showing the signs of an elite or even good PG at this point. As of right now, he is showing the signs of an elite sixth man, and that is not a knock.

Dirkadirkastan · 04-02-2010, 02:59 AM

Yeah it most certainly is a knock. He's threatening to become the first rookie to ever shoot 50/40/80, and you're already nailing his whole career to the bench.

And it's kind of hard to run the offense when you can't even speak the same language as everyone else.

pkdumas · 04-02-2010, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

Yeah it most certainly is a knock. He's threatening to become the first rookie to ever shoot 50/40/80, and you're already nailing his whole career to the bench.

And it's kind of hard to run the offense when you can't even speak the same language as everyone else.

Interperet it as you will, but a lot of really good players come off the bench. I said MY opinion was not a knock so it was not a knock. If you thnk it's a knock, then run with that, Champ.

jthig32 · 04-02-2010, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by pkdumas

I don't know who is what age, but I imagine Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Tony Parker, etc were showing all the signs (even if raw) at age 22. I'm not counting him out, but Roddy B is not showing the signs of an elite or even good PG at this point. As of right now, he is showing the signs of an elite sixth man, and that is not a knock.

The guy was playing in a second rate French league before this season. You gotta give him a little time.

And it's not like he's not showing any ball movement instincts. He's not terrible. Running PG as Jason Kidd's backup is not easy.

dude1394 · 04-02-2010, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

Actually no. He SHOT great, which is a rarity. He also dribbled around like a chicken with his head cut off, didn't create for anyone but himself, turned it over, and caused horrible defensive problems by putting Kidd on Carter.

He played a bad floor game, but he shot fantastic. Unfortunately the former is a constant and the latter is an outlier.

Wow...now jjb covering his man is not good enough, his mere presence causes jkiddo and caron to not be able to cover carter? Or maybe it was someone not being able to cover pietrus (9 points in 6 minutes). And jjb had 2 turnovers and one was a bad call because the dudes foot was in the restricted zone.

It gets so tiring of hearing made up crap about jjb because folks are spinning stuff.

SMC0007 · 04-02-2010, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by pkdumas

I don't know who is what age, but I imagine Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Tony Parker, etc were showing all the signs (even if raw) at age 22. I'm not counting him out, but Roddy B is not showing the signs of an elite or even good PG at this point. As of right now, he is showing the signs of an elite sixth man, and that is not a knock.

Maybe your not very good at reading signs.

dude1394 · 04-02-2010, 10:41 AM

PK has certainly as much ammunition to make his case as anyone does to make the elite pg case. Roddy has played pg...poorly.

kg_veteran · 04-02-2010, 10:54 AM

To me, Beaubois looks like a scoring guard in the mold of a Leandro Barbosa. I have no idea how good he'll be at running a team some day. But considering that he is a rookie, I'm not ruling anything out.

tcat075 · 04-02-2010, 12:06 PM

I give Roddy a lot better chance of becoming an elite point guard on a team that has Jason Kidd as a mentor.

pkdumas · 04-02-2010, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Maybe your not very good at reading signs.

Could you read them to me, please?

SMC0007 · 04-02-2010, 02:36 PM

Idk if that is a good idea.

ribosoma · 04-02-2010, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pkdumas

Could you read them to me, please?

I could, but I only have two hands.

If Roddy could just turn out to be half the "stabilizing force" that Eric Snow was for those "top Ten All-Time" Sonics teams...