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Underdog · 12-17-2016, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Ball is still the real wild card of the top 5. Will he be the next Kidd or Ricky Rubio? Because those two players are very different. His jump shot is very weird and ball handling sometimes looks average.

He has been making off the dribble long range threes frequently recently so that is a good sign. But man, that jump shot is weird looking.

Not as ugly as Marion's shot, but Ball does have that "shoot from the hip" wind up when he goes into his shooting motion... I can see him getting blocked A LOT in the NBA -- almost the anti-Dirk when it comes to his mechanics.

Budapest Maverick · 12-17-2016, 06:04 PM

I'm still taking Fultz, he is the best prospect imo, his team simply sucks. Markkanen is having a good season too, he has a chance to follow in Kristaps' footsteps and be very good from day one. Not nearly as of a high ceiling prospect like KP6, but a very good player nonetheless. If we start to win games or get really unlucky in the lottery, I wouldn't mind taking him around 7-8-9.

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-17-2016, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Not as ugly as Marion's shot, but Ball does have that "shoot from the hip" wind up when he goes into his shooting motion... I can see him getting blocked A LOT in the NBA -- almost the anti-Dirk when it comes to his mechanics.

And the question is do you reinvent the wheel with his shot or let him keep doing it? It's a huge risk on an important draft.

Budapest Maverick · 12-18-2016, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

And the question is do you reinvent the wheel with his shot or let him keep doing it? It's a huge risk on an important draft.

I would probably let him keep it. Marion had an elite three point shooting season, as ridiculous as this may sound. Something like 39% on more than 200 makes, I think. Nope, looked it up, just 140 makes on 39%, and overall he was an inconsistent shooter. Well, flipper. Problem is, Marion's release was actually quick, whereas Ball's is not only low, but seems to be slow as well. That's a recipe for disaster, though the funny thing is, he makes them at an amazing clip right now.

I don't know, the sample size is just too small, I would make him shoot threes during the workout almost exlusively. Shoot it from movement, set shots, put defenders on him, show me everything. If he can impress, you draft him if you think he is the best player otherwise.

Melonhead · 12-18-2016, 12:35 PM

Love watching Ball. He sees the entire floor so well. Still unsure out of him and Fultz

hayth.james.g · 12-18-2016, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Love watching Ball. He sees the entire floor so well. Still unsure out of him and Fultz

It's a no brainer to me. Fultz is as sure of a thing as you can hope for. Ball's shot is just too much of a question mark for a top 3 pick imo. If we end up picking 4-5 and walked away with him I would be happy.

hayth.james.g · 12-20-2016, 08:57 AM

In case you missed Fultz last game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ezwe09uP9Y

If you don't have 5 minutes, just go to 4:02. But in general you can see his game and how easy the offensive side will translate at the next level. He is as smooth and under control as anyone I have ever seen at 19 years old.

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-20-2016, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

In case you missed Fultz last game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ezwe09uP9Y

If you don't have 5 minutes, just go to 4:02. But in general you can see his game and how easy the offensive side will translate at the next level. He is as smooth and under control as anyone I have ever seen at 19 years old.

I'm just being picky since we're talking about the number 1 pick, but he still doesn't look fully comfortable dribbling with the left hand. He looks better than earlier in the season, but it is a concern if he is going to play full time PG in the NBA.

Otherwise, he has few holes in his game. Seems to excel at all things versus being good at just one thing.

Bryan_Wilson · 12-20-2016, 10:13 AM

I still have my preferred pg list as Fultz > Smith > Ball. But I will say that Ball is much closer to Smith now for me. In fact, if we didn't have RC to run the flow offense and call plays from the sides then I'd probably take Ball over Smith. I just think in our offense Smith might be a better fit than Ball. Fultz to me is starting to separate himself as a possible consensus #1 though. He just looks so comfortable at everything and I really think his skillset fits our personnel(Wes and Barnes) better than any of the others in this draft. Maybe Jackson is still heavily in the mix and maybe Giles will explode onto the scene but as of now I think Fultz has at least gone from "a possible #1" to maybe the "perceived favorite".

Melonhead · 12-20-2016, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

In case you missed Fultz last game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ezwe09uP9Y

If you don't have 5 minutes, just go to 4:02. But in general you can see his game and how easy the offensive side will translate at the next level. He is as smooth and under control as anyone I have ever seen at 19 years old.

Good stuff. Having a player like this would keep me watching mavs far after Dirk has retired. (Feels like a pipe dream no way the mavs out otter the 76ers)

saclare · 12-21-2016, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

In case you missed Fultz last game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ezwe09uP9Y

If you don't have 5 minutes, just go to 4:02. But in general you can see his game and how easy the offensive side will translate at the next level. He is as smooth and under control as anyone I have ever seen at 19 years old.

Play at 1:12 in the PnR was smooth decision making. What separates him for me is the smoothness in which he plays, and the fact he is showing well with the PnR and shooting. He's going to be good.