Blow. It. Up.

[tap2390]

Seriously.

Brunson is too limited by his size. Porzingis can't stay healthy or consistent. THJ is probably statistically the streakiest shooter in the NBA (seriously someone do the math and tell us what the standard deviation is). Bullock and DFS are fifth-man role players with 0 upside. Kleber is underrated, but a complementary piece who is a luxury on such an incomplete team. Don't even get me started on Powell.

You can get assets for Brunson, Bullock, THJ, DFS, and Kleber. Start there. Trade them for picks/ young players.

You need to give up assets to trade KP and Powell, so keep them.

Run out as the starting five:

KP
Powell
Green
Ntlikina
Luka

AND JUST SEE WHAT HAPPENS. It surely can't be worse than this garbage. Worst case scenario we head into the offseason with the ability to make some cap space and some picks. Best case scenario we start playing with less complacency and more energy and actually do better.

[EricaLubarsky]

They’re not good and they’re not entertaining.

This team is garbage.

No one wants garbage.

Doncic and Brunson may be our only asset and Brunson is probably walking so you gotta trade him, and being motivated lowers his value. We’d be lucky to get a FRP. Maybe a second and a borderline starter.

Mavs have this FRP, but ironically can’t trade it this season. Next FRP belongs to NYK. We can’t trade 2024 until 2024. We can’t trade a FRP until 2025.

Cuban created this shit. He needs to finally have the consequence of people not watching or going to the games. Dude has gambled and interfered too long and finally he’s pawned everything of value on this team. We’re broke.

Sadly, I think as Mavs fans we really have some hard choices. Either you pay for and watch a shit product or we turn it off. If you want the NBA, choose another team. Otherwise, just stop going/paying. Mavs really can’t blow it up, because there isn’t any powder there to ignite. Cuban has been siphoning the powder away for twenty years and we have a barrel of gunpowder filled with 100 IOUs.

I’m afraid, we ain’t getting better. Honestly the best option is to walk away.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

They’re not good and they’re not entertaining.

This team is garbage.

No one wants garbage.

Doncic and Brunson may be our only asset and Brunson is probably walking so you gotta trade him, and being motivated lowers his value. We’d be lucky to get a FRP. Maybe a second and a borderline starter.

Mavs have this FRP, but ironically can’t trade it this season. Next FRP belongs to NYK. We can’t trade 2024 until 2024. We can’t trade a FRP until 2025.

Cuban created this shit. He needs to finally have the consequence of people not watching or going to the games. Dude has gambled and interfered too long and finally he’s pawned everything of value on this team. We’re broke.

Sadly, I think as Mavs fans we really have some hard choices. Either you pay for and watch a shit product or we turn it off. If you want the NBA, choose another team. Otherwise, just stop going/paying. Mavs really can’t blow it up, because there isn’t any powder there to ignite. Cuban has been siphoning the powder away for twenty years and we have a barrel of gunpowder filled with 100 IOUs.

I’m afraid, we ain’t getting better. Honestly the best option is to walk away.

You're dead on.

The problem with that is. People don't have anything better to do with their time. It's the obvious move though. People need to stop paying for tickets. Watch at home if you want but God, why the f would anyone drive down there, pay for parking or walk 3 miles to avoid it, run the risk of watching the team lay spread eagle on their own floor...on your own dime.

The last game I went to I regretted it and swore I wouldn't go back for a long time. Definitely not until they prove they can build a roster.

[FreshJive]

It’s the NBA. LeBron doesn’t want to be here. KD doesn’t want to be here. The Mavs drafted Luka, and he reupped. I’ve always been a fuck Cuban poster here, but we are kind of lucky compared to the average nba fan.

[Dallas41]

I keep hearing how the Mavs don't have any trade pieces but yet I see other teams all the time find a way to get rid of bad contracts or package average players for something of value to them.

The problem isn't the Mavs don't have players with trade value.

The problem is the Mavs are too loyal and don't want to trade role model locker room players. Anytime you read something regarding a trade the Mavs are always reluctant to include certain players like a Kleber or a Brunson.

I'm pretty sure a package of Kleber, Brunson and THJ can net you something of value but the Mavs aren't going to pull the trigger

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Oh the Mavs will make some silly small trade and play if off like they did something significant.

Mavs don't have the guts to trade THJ/Brunson/future first for a significant upgrade.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Oh the Mavs will make some silly small trade and play if off like they did something significant.

Mavs don't have the guts to trade THJ/Brunson/future first for a significant upgrade.

Not sure we have a future first to trade. If so it's so far in the future that it holds less value now. I don't see that happening, but some variation of Dfs,thj, JB should net something.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Luka, KP, and WCS all out vs the Griz. Now they can just blame the season on injuries!

[EricaLubarsky]

“Injuries”

[Zeus]

Blow it up would be fine if we had a FO to rebuild it. The FO knew from 2018 that Luka was a once in 15 to 20 year generational player and we have not built anything around him with Luka now in his 4th season. This could go south in a hurry with Luka disengaging mentally before his new contract even kicks in. With the benefit of hindsight, adding mid tier players in 2019 free agency when we didn't even use all of our money and having the dart throwing Chimp pick the players in 2020 draft would have made us a much better team now.

[Dallas41]

Mark Cuban needs to take a hard look in the mirror at himself


https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2021/1...ericks-is-over

Then, ESPN’s Tim MacMahon revealed on Brian Windhorst’s Hoop Collective podcast that former Mavericks swingman Chandler Parsons had “significantly more control over personnel than Donnie Nelson did for two years. That is simply a fact.” Windhorst and his other guest, ESPN’s Tim Bontemps, didn’t gasp in shock or immediately launch into questioning MacMahon on this statement. They merely agreed and moved on, like it was a widely-known fact.

[EricaLubarsky]

Luka questionable
THJ questionable
WCS out
KP probable

[Melonhead]

Just here to say:

Blow it up

[SMC0007]

Detonate

[Dallas41]

Pacers are now shopping Turner and Lavert

Makes you wonder if RC would love to have a combination of THJ, Brunson, Kleber, DFS and WCS.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Pacers are now shopping Turner and Lavert

Makes you wonder if RC would love to have a combination of THJ, Brunson, Kleber, DFS and WCS.

Are they really though? Could be ruse to get the team to start playing better. I know after the Rockets said they were shopping Wood that the team then went on to win 6 in a row.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Pacers are now shopping Turner and Lavert

Makes you wonder if RC would love to have a combination of THJ, Brunson, Kleber, DFS and WCS.

It doesn't really make me wonder that. Unless he just couldn't comprehend what he was seeing every single day for the past 3 years.

[Dallas41]

Even more importantly, however, because you can pretty much always match salaries in trades, teams that are over the cap can acquire big contracts at least as easily as teams that are under, without having to starve their team of talent to do so. Or, they can shed salary when they need to — not as the culmination of years of austerity planning but just when the opportunity to spend arises — and maybe not only add players, but maybe draft picks or other useful tools to get better in the process. Case in point: the Mavs had considerably more cap space than the Chicago Bulls this offseason, when the former had prospectively the third most cap space in the league. But the latter managed to add DeMar Derozan, Nikola Vucevic, Lonzo Ball, and Alex Caruso as supporting cast around Zach LaVine, whereas the Mavs added… Reggie Bullock.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

I know the center position is a joke, but I still think a third reliable scorer is what we need. It's the reliance on these crappy side players that kills the team. We CANNOT rely on guys like Maxi and DFS and Bullock and THJ and I don't care to win games. Period. We've done it now for three years, and it doesn't work. They simply cannot consistently be relied on to hit open threes. And they frankly can't be relied on in general either.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I know the center position is a joke, but I still think a third reliable scorer is what we need. It's the reliance on these crappy side players that kills the team. We CANNOT rely on guys like Maxi and DFS and Bullock and THJ and I don't care to win games. Period. We've done it now for three years, and it doesn't work. They simply cannot consistently be relied on to hit open threes. And they frankly can't be relied on in general either.

Umm. Yea. Demar helps us win that games last night. I cant help but think about how many of these close games where we could have won if ANYONE aside from Luka could take the ball and do what the call FN SCORE. Even if it weren't Demar exactly, another creator or multi tool player.

But this has all been said before here and elsewhere. A legit big is icing but with THJ,DFS and Bullock we don't even have a damn cake.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Didn't take long. Mark Cuban is now blaming the ball.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Umm. Yea. Demar helps us win that games last night. I cant help but think about how many of these close games where we could have won if ANYONE aside from Luka could take the ball and do what the call FN SCORE. Even if it weren't Demar exactly, another creator or multi tool player.

But this has all been said before here and elsewhere. A legit big is icing but with THJ,DFS and Bullock we don't even have a damn cake.

Around 6-7 min left in the fourth, I told my roommate Luka is gonna have to do the rest of this quarter by himself. Everyone else is done for the night. It’s insane that it’s that obvious to a fan.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Didn't take long. Mark Cuban is now blaming the ball.

That was so embarrassing. Pulling deep into the stats to prove that one lol

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

That was so embarrassing. Pulling deep into the stats to prove that one lol

Shooting is down league wide. It's not really deep in the stats. It's basic fg %

[BigDog63]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Not sure we have a future first to trade. If so it's so far in the future that it holds less value now. I don't see that happening, but some variation of Dfs,thj, JB should net something.

And what makes everyone think that 'something' is any better than what we have?

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by BigDog63

And what makes everyone think that 'something' is any better than what we have?

Well JB becomes a UFA. If he's not thrilled to be here (and I'm not sure why he would be) then that SOMETHING becomes a big NOTHING and there's nothing we can do about it. a UFA has the power to walk and we get nothing.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Well JB becomes a UFA. If he's not thrilled to be here (and I'm not sure why he would be) then that SOMETHING becomes a big NOTHING and there's nothing we can do about it. a UFA has the power to walk and we get nothing.

And Donnie was responsible for that terrible idea of a contract. Unbelievable that he won't be restricted where we could possibly get a first round pick in return.

[BigDog63]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Well JB becomes a UFA. If he's not thrilled to be here (and I'm not sure why he would be) then that SOMETHING becomes a big NOTHING and there's nothing we can do about it. a UFA has the power to walk and we get nothing.

You never get 'nothing'. If a UFA walks, you get cap space back. Which gives you more flexibility than you would have had if trying to make a trade, with a restricted set of partners.

[BigDog63]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Didn't take long. Mark Cuban is now blaming the ball.

And then telling the guy who he hired to run the franchise that he needs to play a game first before he can have an opinion, when Bob pointed out that what Cubes was saying was mostly BS.

That was worse than blaming the ball. He didn't even realize he just slammed himself.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by BigDog63

You never get 'nothing'. If a UFA walks, you get cap space back. Which gives you more flexibility than you would have had if trying to make a trade, with a restricted set of partners.

You know what we do with cap space and dust.

We also WON'T have cap space. Even if we let him walk, we will end up with -42million in cap space. Being over the cap with or without him.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Listen, winning talks and bs walks. If the Mavs start winning, then fans stop complaining. This is common across all sports.

What is really downright terrible is having an owner completely trash a fan base (twitter) and the blame the basketball. To make him look even more like a fool, THJ said there was nothing wrong with the ball.

Never lash out from a position of weakness.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by FreshJive

Shooting is down league wide. It's not really deep in the stats. It's basic fg %

The Mavs shooting has deviated more to the downside than the league. It's all relative and the Mavs have gotten collectively worse than the league hence their retrogression relative to the competition. The point Haralabos was making in his new feud with Cuban is that it is other changes such as the new emphasis on letting defenders be more aggressive in their perimeter defense that might be the biggest culprit as free throw shooting has not decreased across the league in general. Cuban blaming the ball as if only his team plays with the new ball is so on brand for him.

[BigDog63]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

We also WON'T have cap space. Even if we let him walk, we will end up with -42million in cap space. Being over the cap with or without him.

Ya, thought that might be the case...

FO left us with:

1. Luka and KP
2. Not much around them.
3. No draft picks
4. No cap space.

That about sum it up?

[tap2390]

Mark is a completely intolerable douchebag. Every major fuck-up goes directly back to him.

-not resigning Nash
-not bringing back 2011 squad
-whiffing on Giannis
-whiffing in 2020

I get he owns the team and can do what he wants, but he has found success despite his interventional ways, not because of them.

For him to complain about Mavs twitter is par for the course. Mavs fans have every right to be angry with how he's run an organization that was gifted Luka by the dumbass Kings. If the Kings take Luka we are perennial losers.

For the guy who scouted and drafted Luka (and wanted to draft Giannis) to be undermined by a sports betting fucktard the following draft is inexcusable. To then fight with said fucktard on twitter about why your team is shooting poorly would be hilarious if wasn't just plain sad.

I am fully on board with Cuban selling the team. Fuck him.


EDIT: Grammar and also this: one underrated aspect of Cuban's shittiness is how cheap he is. Look, I don't buy Ferraris and Lambos -- not because I can't afford them (I'm sure I could stretch my dollar and finance) but because I can't afford the long-term maintenance. If Mark wants to be a cheap-ass, fine. Just don't own an NBA team. We are bottom 10 in salaries, and have consistently been so since 2011.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Mark is a completely intolerable douchebag. Every major fuck-up goes directly back to him.

-not resigning Nash
-not bringing back 2011 squad
-whiffing on Giannis
-whiffing in 2020

I get he owns the team and can do what he wants, but he has found success despite his interventional ways, not because of them.

For him to complain about Mavs twitter is par for the course. Mavs fans have every right to be angry with how he's run an organization that was gifted Luka by the dumbass Kings. If the Kings take Luka we are perennial losers.

For the guy who scouted and drafted Luka (and wanted to draft Giannis) to be undermined by a sports betting fucktard the following draft is inexcusable. To then fight with said fucktard on twitter about why your team is shooting poorly would be hilarious if it just sad.

I am fully on board with Cuban selling the team. Fuck him.

I got this turnt up to 11

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by FreshJive

Shooting is down league wide. It's not really deep in the stats. It's basic fg %

Except you can’t make a claim that it’s the ball.

[EricaLubarsky]

If we win at the same rate that we've been on the for the last month, we'd be 27-55 (.329) which would be good for 4th worst in the league (and 4th most lottery balls) in a year where we actually hold our pick.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

If we win at the same rate that we've been on the for the last month, we'd be 27-55 (.329) which would be good for 4th worst in the league (and 4th most lottery balls) in a year where we actually hold our pick.

You know it'll be .500 ball and a play in just to lose that game.

[turin]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Mark is a completely intolerable douchebag. Every major fuck-up goes directly back to him.

-not resigning Nash
-not bringing back 2011 squad
-whiffing on Giannis
-whiffing in 2020

I get he owns the team and can do what he wants, but he has found success despite his interventional ways, not because of them.

For him to complain about Mavs twitter is par for the course. Mavs fans have every right to be angry with how he's run an organization that was gifted Luka by the dumbass Kings. If the Kings take Luka we are perennial losers.

For the guy who scouted and drafted Luka (and wanted to draft Giannis) to be undermined by a sports betting fucktard the following draft is inexcusable. To then fight with said fucktard on twitter about why your team is shooting poorly would be hilarious if wasn't just plain sad.

I am fully on board with Cuban selling the team. Fuck him.


EDIT: Grammar and also this: one underrated aspect of Cuban's shittiness is how cheap he is. Look, I don't buy Ferraris and Lambos -- not because I can't afford them (I'm sure I could stretch my dollar and finance) but because I can't afford the long-term maintenance. If Mark wants to be a cheap-ass, fine. Just don't own an NBA team. We are bottom 10 in salaries, and have consistently been so since 2011.

Great post. This pretty much sums up my opinion of the douchebag, especially the last point. He's been living off of that "billionaire" label for forever, and I'm sick of it. He's a cheap arse underminer whose very presence kneecaps his own organization.

[Budapest Maverick]

Honestly, it all starts with Luka. He has being playing like crap this year, overweight AF. The whole season was doomed when he reported to camp at 260 (and if you believe some other, less credible sources, at 285). He is actually fat, not just basketball fat, but fat. Look at his face. I love him, he is the biggest talent in the NBA, but he has to start give a f**k.