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Underdog · 05-20-2018, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Well...against shitty competition everyone looks better

I really dont want to be Donnie this draft...

Porter with an injury and just HS tape.
Doncic as Euro
Bamba/JJJ as super taw talents

Brrrrr...

Michael Porter Jr. didn't just play in high school, he played the McDonalds All-American camp, Crossroads Elite camp, USA camp, etc -- he's played against future NBA talent for years now... He played against Dennis Smith Jr, even... I have a much better idea of what he'll be in the NBA than Doncic.

Bryan_Wilson · 05-20-2018, 10:42 PM

Doncic will be fine on defense. His iq is seriously special. He's not falling to 5.

He's 19 and he won the MVP award for the final four. He's the youngest ever to do it. This talk of teams saying he struggled is coming after his camp is trying to get leverage to not get picked by 2 of the shittiest organizations in basketball with almost no marketing ability.

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So correct me if I'm wrong but he won euroleague, and mvp, and now finals mvp... at 19? Ok.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-20-2018, 10:38 PM

That's why I'm not freaking about about picking 5th.

Even Donnie mentioned that it's Ayton first and the rest is in the eye of the beholder.

sefant77 · 05-20-2018, 11:03 PM

And the Euros at age 18 together with Dragic beating spain with the Gasols etc

EricaLubarsky · 05-21-2018, 12:37 AM

My top 6
1) Mikal Bridges - guaranteed starter with 3/D. Has shown much more versatile offense like driving and moving without the ball. May be a Marion/Leonard type. Leadership, drive, IQ, defense, offense.
2) Bamba - numbers remarkably close to Mutombo. I still don’t think his offense will be much more than lobs, simple post moves and the very occasional midrange jumper but he’s got DPOY written all over him
3) Bagley- needs to work on defense and footwork but dude reminds me of Sheed. Extremely skilled scorer. Decent without the ball and excellent with.
4) Jackson - high ceiling, low floor. Dude has shown glimpses of amazing but in very low PT. Equal chances of being brilliant and being a sixth man.
4) Ayton - no idea why, but I just feel like he will be injured/bust. His body is ready. He just doesn’t have the drive or maturity. I just get an Eddy Curry vibe from him.
5) Doncic - solid starter, but I don’t see the star potential. High floor, low ceiling guy. Don’t see how he fits with Smith.
6) Porter - has the potential to be Paul George or a bigger Gordon Hayward. I just have deep concerns about his health and his game. Could very well be worth the risk if other guys are off the table.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-21-2018, 09:09 PM

Calathes never made it because he was kinda a head case right? So weird that he is a superstar in that league.

EricaLubarsky · 05-21-2018, 10:42 PM

I’m glad we have some Doncic supporters here. I’m not one but I have a feeling we’ll end up with him

FreshJive · 05-22-2018, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I’m glad we have some Doncic supporters here. I’m not one but I have a feeling we’ll end up with him

Your sig used to be Noel, but Bamba could fit in there. I see what you did.

SMC0007 · 05-22-2018, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I’m glad we have some Doncic supporters here. I’m not one but I have a feeling we’ll end up with him

I wasn't one of the supporters at first either, but I watched as much footage as I could find and I came around on him quite a bit. He's really fluid sees the floor well he does everything you want including gandles that should turn out to be elite...but hes likely not going to be a high flyer and that's what a lot of people I think are in love with. It's more so from immature fans but unfortunately it does exist.

mac222b · 05-22-2018, 08:43 AM

Doncic is nowhere near the fluid athlete Manu is. My concern with him is his %'s around the basket. Thats not likely to improve in the NBA, at least not for a few years. I think he can improve his 3 point shooting, which will be hugely important for him. I think he can be at least a league average defender guarding threes, select twos and eventually 4's.

Manu is/was an all-time great at making tough contested runners at the rim from different angles. I'd like to see Doncic work at that. He seems to have a nice pull up jumper. Doncic does have elite court vision. Someone mentioned Ingles. Ingles is effective because he is an elite 3 point shooter with good handles, good length and strength and great vision. Doncic seems to have those things though Ingles seems to have a better reach

One encouraging thing about Doncic is he looks almost more comfortable shooting 3's off the dribble step back, ala Manu and Ingles, which should gain him some more space to operate.

Side note: Its been interesting to see the step back 3 become an accepted and necessary part of an offensive players arsenal. Was totally verboten when I was playing growing up. Also the Curry Effect on pick-up basketball has been pretty terrible. Lots of dribbling to nowhere and eventual reckless jacked up jumper. 3 is worth more than 2, but not when you're shooting 15% from 3 or taking long 2s!

SMC0007 · 05-22-2018, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Doncic is nowhere near the fluid athlete Manu is. My concern with him is his %'s around the basket. Thats not likely to improve in the NBA, at least not for a few years. I think he can improve his 3 point shooting, which will be hugely important for him. I think he can be at least a league average defender guarding threes, select twos and eventually 4's.

Manu is/was an all-time great at making tough contested runners at the rim from different angles. I'd like to see Doncic work at that. He seems to have a nice pull up jumper. Doncic does have elite court vision. Someone mentioned Ingles. Ingles is effective because he is an elite 3 point shooter with good handles, good length and strength and great vision. Doncic seems to have those things though Ingles seems to have a better reach

One encouraging thing about Doncic is he looks almost more comfortable shooting 3's off the dribble step back, ala Manu and Ingles, which should gain him some more space to operate.

Side note: Its been interesting to see the step back 3 become an accepted and necessary part of an offensive players arsenal. Was totally verboten when I was playing growing up. Also the Curry Effect on pick-up basketball has been pretty terrible. Lots of dribbling to nowhere and eventual reckless jacked up jumper. 3 is worth more than 2, but not when you're shooting 15% from 3 or taking long 2s!

He's easily as fluid and smooth.

Manu Rookie year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=f-R6CSw5sa8

Doncic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m63o8H0vMR4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9flJ_nUAhw

mac222b · 05-22-2018, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

He's easily as fluid and smooth.

Manu Rookie year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=f-R6CSw5sa8

Doncic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m63o8H0vMR4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9flJ_nUAhw

I watched all of that. Have seen lots of Doncic. Nowhere do I see an athlete as smooth or fluid as Manu. Manu is quicker and faster. He explodes forward consistently in a way I've yet to see from Luka. Best eurostep ever.

SMC0007 · 05-22-2018, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

I watched all of that. Have seen lots of Doncic. Nowhere do I see an athlete as smooth or fluid as Manu. Manu is quicker and faster. He explodes forward consistently in a way I've yet to see from Luka. Best eurostep ever.

It's interesting how people see things so differently.

Fwiw. Manu may be a little quicker, maybe.. but he is also a bit shorter so that's not so surprising if he was a tiny bit quicker or faster.

EricaLubarsky · 05-22-2018, 09:40 AM

Problem with Doncic is also the problem with Ayton and Bamba: the league is going in a direction that may really hinder them as players.

For Bamba and Ayton it's the fact that many teams are forgoing centers altogether and playing forwards at the center spot (6'10" Hortford, 6'9" Tristan Thompson, 6'10" Capela, 6'7" Green with 6'10" Durant next to him). No team in the finals this year is playing a true seven footer.

For Doncic it's about teams getting longer and faster. Teams have more players able to absolutely stifle the drive and interrupt passing lanes. That's going to be a huge and painful transition as he comes to the league. Euroleague may be physical, but the NBA is so much faster and longer. When I see Doncic make those moves in Euroleague I just try to think about him doing those things against some of the long, quick defenders in the NBA.

Then again, BBIQ and craftiness can overcome most defense. Transcendent players change the trend or at least buck the trend. Dirk was slow, had a relatively small wingspan, and seemed like a fossil from a prior era and yet he brought back a whole style of play.

GermanStandard · 05-22-2018, 11:28 AM

Ayton = David Robinson with Range
Bagley = KG with Left Hand and worse Defense
Porter Jr = Mix of Simmons and Durant but worse than both in all areas
Doncic = Mix of Hayward and Ginobili
Bamba = Nerlens Noel with a Jumper and Brain
Jaren Jackson = Noah Vonleh with higher Ceiling

If im the Mavs i take Bamba or Doncic.

Doncic will be a Star in this League. His Athleticism isnt that bad. Hes just average there.
This guy turned 19 and won Euroleague MVP, Spanish MVP and carried a Top 3 Team in Europe.
He is truly special. If he works with all these strength and condition coaches in the NBA he can still develop more bounce.
Dont forget that he played against grown men, true Pros, former NBA Players. He still had great Stats and dominated.
College Players play most of their games against kids who flip Burgers come Summer.

Bambas Ceiling is just skyhigh. Higher than anyone else in this Draft. Might become Nerlens Noel or Rudy Gobert but might become a gamechanger.

Jackson i pass. Ayton will go #1 and Porters back scared me also has huge bust potential.

Underdog · 05-22-2018, 06:47 PM

NBA Draft 2018: Michael Porter, Jr. Profile
https://bibscorner.com/2018/05/22/nb...er-jr-profile/

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By no means am I saying that Porter is going to have Dirk’s career, but as far as his skill set and playing style he is shades of young Dirk.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-22-2018, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

NBA Draft 2018: Michael Porter, Jr. Profile
https://bibscorner.com/2018/05/22/nb...er-jr-profile/

FreshJive · 05-22-2018, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

NBA Draft 2018: Michael Porter, Jr. Profile
https://bibscorner.com/2018/05/22/nb...er-jr-profile/

I’ve seen this others make this comparison. Saying he could take over Dirk’s role in Carlisle’s offense.

SMC0007 · 05-22-2018, 11:04 PM

Somebody is going to have to try to climb that mountain. Maybe he can. Hell if he even comes close it would be a perfectly timed miracle.

GermanStandard · 05-23-2018, 03:26 AM

Dirk? He is nothing like Dirk. Not even Close.

He is more of a bad Version of Paul George with a terrible back injury.

I see some skillset of Ben Simmons and KD but way worse too.

j0Shi · 05-23-2018, 04:36 AM

I like how people are trying talk up Porter. Maybe we get lucky and someone in the top 4 falls in love with him...

saclare · 05-23-2018, 10:07 AM

No one is talking up Porter. He has plenty of accolades up to this point in his career, talents be damned, to not be mentioned in the top 5 or 6 in this draft. He doesn't need talking up.

Luke · 05-23-2018, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by saclare

No one is talking up Porter. He has plenty of accolades up to this point in his career, talents be damned, to not be mentioned in the top 5 or 6 in this draft. He doesn't need talking up.

You must not listen to DFW radio.. He's been talked up on several local radio shows..

BPo001 · 05-23-2018, 02:38 PM

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You must not listen to DFW radio.. He's been talked up on several local radio shows..

I listen to 105.3 pretty regularly and haven't heard much about Porter. Mostly been Skin talking up Bamba.

EricaLubarsky · 05-23-2018, 10:25 AM

I mean, we already drafted a guy like Porter last year. Smith fell because he had a torn ACL and people thought he'd never recover or that it would dog him his whole career. Otherwise Smith Jr. would have gone in the top 4-5. Porter is a guy that is potentially in the same spot. Talent of a top 2-4 pick, but health concerns bringing him down.

We will have a selection of 2-4 guys I like a lot (Jackson, Porter, Bamba, Bridges). It won't come down to a choice between a guy like Porter Jr. or Wendell Carter, but I'd rather take a risk trying to get a potential star like Porter than getting a sure thing like Juwan Howard.

Then again I think that Bridges and Bamba are better wagers. Jackson has a similar upside/risk/chance of being an incredible player. I still won't be sad if we end up with Porter.

sefant77 · 05-23-2018, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I mean, we already drafted a guy like Porter last year. Smith fell because he had a torn ACL and people thought he'd never recover or that it would dog him his whole career. Otherwise Smith Jr. would have gone in the top 4-5. Porter is a guy that is potentially in the same spot. Talent of a top 2-4 pick, but health concerns bringing him down.

You can say the same with euro guys falling because they are "euros".

2015 draft. An old school center with Okafor getting picked ahead of Porzingis, an modern nba unicorn with size and range.

But Okafor "was proven" and Porz the stiffy weak sauce euro

SMC0007 · 05-23-2018, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

You can say the same with euro guys falling because they are "euros".

2015 draft. An old school center with Okafor getting picked ahead of Porzingis, an modern nba unicorn with size and range.

But Okafor "was proven" and Porz the stiffy weak sauce euro

Markkanen too. I remember lots of folks were down on him. Not aggressive enough, stiff, wasnt athletic enough to thrive in the nba. Looks like a future all star to me...surprisingly

Bryan_Wilson · 05-23-2018, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Markkanen too. I remember lots of folks were down on him. Not aggressive enough, stiff, wasnt athletic enough to thrive in the nba. Looks like a future all star to me...surprisingly

Yahyes right about now.

SMC0007 · 05-23-2018, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Yahyes right about now.

Lol. Quick, Reverse jinx.

Scoobay · 05-24-2018, 12:01 AM

Man Donte Divincenzo looks legit... i was hoping he'd last until our 2nd round pick but it looks like he could go top 20 or top 25 at least. He's got big hops (like 42"), pretty good handles, range from deep, and good size (almost 6'5").

Underdog · 05-24-2018, 06:00 AM

@NBADraftGod: BREAKING: Barring the possibility of another team trading into the top 2 & swooping him up, the Atlanta Hawks are primed to select Oklahoma’s Trae Young with the 3rd pick in the 2018 NBA Draft, sources tell Rufus N. Dooze of @NBADraftGod.

Underdog · 05-24-2018, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

@NBADraftGod: BREAKING: Barring the possibility of another team trading into the top 2 & swooping him up, the Atlanta Hawks are primed to select Oklahoma’s Trae Young with the 3rd pick in the 2018 NBA Draft, sources tell Rufus N. Dooze of @NBADraftGod.

If true, then this is the best-case scenario, effectively giving us the #4 pick for all intents and purposes... I don't really see the Hawks trading down to get Trae, since Orlando has their sights on him at #6... And there's really no reason for Dallas to trade up since either Bagley, Porter, or Doncic would be slipping to #5 in this case.

I actually saw a FOX Sports mock yesterday that had MPJ going #2 overall, and I still think Bagley makes the most sense in Memphis... So lemme talk myself into this scenario for a sec:

1. Phoenix: DeAndre Ayton
2. Sacramento: Michael Porter Jr
3. Atlanta: Trae Young
4. Memphis: Marvin Bagley
5. Dallas: Luka Doncic

I'm obviously not as high on Luka as most, and still think he has some clear limitations, but I could definitely live with us picking him if we're not giving up assets to trade up for him. Really, just knowing that a possible #1 scorer like Bagley, Porter, or Doncic could slip to #5 gives me more hope for this draft (my worst-case scenario has those 3 and Ayton off the board before we pick)... I've kinda soured on Bagley a bit after EL pointed out that the centers left in the playoffs are 6'10" Hortford, 6'9" Tristan Thompson, 6'10" Capela, and 6'7" Green -- just not sure if a 7'0" giant with limited effective range can make a dent in today's NBA... I still think JJJ's stretch-5 game has a lot of potential, but the Mavs need a #1 scorer more than anything else right now, and the Hawks may be serving one to us on a silver platter... Not sure if I could pass up Luka at #5.

Not saying he'll slip to us, but Atlanta taking Trae certainly makes it a stronger possibility... I could also talk myself into Bagley for the same reasons.

Bryan_Wilson · 05-24-2018, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

If true, then this is the best-case scenario, effectively giving us the #4 pick for all intents and purposes... I don't really see the Hawks trading down to get Trae, since Orlando has their sights on him at #6... And there's really no reason for Dallas to trade up since either Bagley, Porter, or Doncic would be slipping to #5 in this case.

I actually saw a FOX Sports mock yesterday that had MPJ going #2 overall, and I still think Bagley makes the most sense in Memphis... So lemme talk myself into this scenario for a sec:

1. Phoenix: DeAndre Ayton
2. Sacramento: Michael Porter Jr
3. Atlanta: Trae Young
4. Memphis: Marvin Bagley
5. Dallas: Luka Doncic

I'm obviously not as high on Luka as most, and still think he has some clear limitations, but I could definitely live with us picking him if we're not giving up assets to trade up for him. Really, just knowing that a possible #1 scorer like Bagley, Porter, or Doncic could slip to #5 gives me more hope for this draft (my worst-case scenario has those 3 and Ayton off the board before we pick)... I've kinda soured on Bagley a bit after EL pointed out that the centers left in the playoffs are 6'10" Hortford, 6'9" Tristan Thompson, 6'10" Capela, and 6'7" Green -- just not sure if a 7'0" giant with limited effective range can make a dent in today's NBA... I still think JJJ's stretch-5 game has a lot of potential, but the Mavs need a #1 scorer more than anything else right now, and the Hawks may be serving one to us on a silver platter... Not sure if I could pass up Luka at #5.

Not saying he'll slip to us, but Atlanta taking Trae certainly makes it a stronger possibility... I could also talk myself into Bagley for the same reasons.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-24-2018, 08:25 AM

This is why there is no reason to freak out about the draft position...

HOWEVER, the Hawks would be dumb not to trade back since Young is slated 6-8 position.

Dream scenario but tough choice....WHAT IF....

Bagley AND Doncic are there at 5? WHO DO YOU TAKE?

SMC0007 · 05-24-2018, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

This is why there is no reason to freak out about the draft position...

HOWEVER, the Hawks would be dumb not to trade back since Young is slated 6-8 position.

Dream scenario but tough choice....WHAT IF....

Bagley AND Doncic are there at 5? WHO DO YOU TAKE?

It's a toss up... I might ever so slightly lean to Bagley just becssue im not sold on Powell or Motley. Although it's a very close call for me because I still believe we are hurting more for playmaking and size at the 2. I think we are more "ok" at the 4/5 with those two than we are at quality guard/wing. I really want to see much more of Motley and I dont easily see how that happens with Bagely here. I'd be ok with either pick until the one we pick doesnt outshine the other.

Bryan_Wilson · 05-24-2018, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

This is why there is no reason to freak out about the draft position...

HOWEVER, the Hawks would be dumb not to trade back since Young is slated 6-8 position.

Dream scenario but tough choice....WHAT IF....

Bagley AND Doncic are there at 5? WHO DO YOU TAKE?

I think those are the 2 most divisive names maybe of the top 6 around here at least. People either rly like Doncic or are afraid of his lack of athleticism. And people either like Bagley for his offensive game or are very concerned of his poor defense and possible tweener role. The general consensus though from things to read is they are both considered top 3, so this situation would be really hard to dislike no matter the pick.

For me it's a landslide for Doncic over Bagley but I think everyone at least will accept any of the top 6 names we have discussed and take a wait and see approach with who we take at least.

Underdog · 05-24-2018, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

HOWEVER, the Hawks would be dumb not to trade back since Young is slated 6-8 position.

Orlando will probably take him at #6, as they have far more use for Trae than they do Bamba, JJJ, Bridges, Carter, etc... They need a PG first and foremost.

sefant77 · 05-24-2018, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

This is why there is no reason to freak out about the draft position...

HOWEVER, the Hawks would be dumb not to trade back since Young is slated 6-8 position.

Dream scenario but tough choice....WHAT IF....

Bagley AND Doncic are there at 5? WHO DO YOU TAKE?

Doncic of course

Dont want Marvin Williams 2.0 (hot take! hot take!)

Dtownsfinest · 05-24-2018, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

If true, then this is the best-case scenario, effectively giving us the #4 pick for all intents and purposes... I don't really see the Hawks trading down to get Trae, since Orlando has their sights on him at #6... And there's really no reason for Dallas to trade up since either Bagley, Porter, or Doncic would be slipping to #5 in this case.

I actually saw a FOX Sports mock yesterday that had MPJ going #2 overall, and I still think Bagley makes the most sense in Memphis... So lemme talk myself into this scenario for a sec:

1. Phoenix: DeAndre Ayton
2. Sacramento: Michael Porter Jr
3. Atlanta: Trae Young
4. Memphis: Marvin Bagley
5. Dallas: Luka Doncic

I'm obviously not as high on Luka as most, and still think he has some clear limitations, but I could definitely live with us picking him if we're not giving up assets to trade up for him. Really, just knowing that a possible #1 scorer like Bagley, Porter, or Doncic could slip to #5 gives me more hope for this draft (my worst-case scenario has those 3 and Ayton off the board before we pick)... I've kinda soured on Bagley a bit after EL pointed out that the centers left in the playoffs are 6'10" Hortford, 6'9" Tristan Thompson, 6'10" Capela, and 6'7" Green -- just not sure if a 7'0" giant with limited effective range can make a dent in today's NBA... I still think JJJ's stretch-5 game has a lot of potential, but the Mavs need a #1 scorer more than anything else right now, and the Hawks may be serving one to us on a silver platter... Not sure if I could pass up Luka at #5.

Not saying he'll slip to us, but Atlanta taking Trae certainly makes it a stronger possibility... I could also talk myself into Bagley for the same reasons.

I don't think its about their height though. Draymon and Capela are ballers. Hortford is too. Those are 3 all stars. It just so happens that the best big men in the league don't play on the Warriors, Celtics, Cavs or Rockets. Though I find it hard to believe Capella is just 6'10. His wingspan is crazy or looks like it on Tv.

FreshJive · 05-24-2018, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

@NBADraftGod: BREAKING: Barring the possibility of another team trading into the top 2 & swooping him up, the Atlanta Hawks are primed to select Oklahoma’s Trae Young with the 3rd pick in the 2018 NBA Draft, sources tell Rufus N. Dooze of @NBADraftGod.

That name sounds so made up. I think it’s the N. that triggers the alarm bells. Like Roscoe P. Coltrane.