Mexicans Soccer Fans

[FishForLunch]

Do they love Osama, they seem to chant his name whenever they get a chance. Maybe when Mexicans play in the US we should chant Santa Anna

[Drbio]

They are just totally classless a-holes. There is no justification for that bullcrap, especially since Mexico has benefitted so much from being a neighbor of the US.

No offense Chiwas, but don't even try to justify this bullshat.

[madape]

What a charming little place that cesspool is. Perhaps it's finally time to annex "El Banyo" and give its destitute illiterate citizens something to live for besides soccer and wishing for American bloodshed. On the other hand, does America really need another bathroom?

[Chiwas]

"Bush" would hurt more than Santa Ana.

Nonetheless, I don't support the "Osama" ranting, by no means.

[Murphy3]

Looks like they're getting a little too big for their britches....

[Mavdog]

I watched the whole match yesterday, and at no time did any "Osama" chanting come through the TV. There was a reference to that happening at some time in the past (an U-21 game?) but not yesterday.

Listening to the Alex Lalas interview about his games at Azteca sounded errily similar to what I have heard from Cowboy players who tell about playing in the Vet at Philadelphia. Jeers, taunts, and then there are the thrown batteries and such...

National sports competition brings out some of the worst in some fans, and soccer seems to have its dubious history in this malaise. There is an active campaign ongoing in European matches on stopping rascist taunts against black players (the English, French and Dutch teams have several). The German team has endured many instances of jeers about being Nazis. The Israelis have some of the worst tossed their way by those sympathetic to the Palestinian cause.

There have been some NBA fans who have crossed the line and have been kicked out of games here.

Does anybody honestly believe that these type of taunts don't come out of some American's mouths at sporting events? We're unfortunately not immune.

EDIT: I found this article about the chanting, it was in a U-23 game last year:

Posted 2/12/2004 2:09 AM Updated 2/12/2004 2:13 AM

Notebook: Mexicans' behavior part of the game
By Kelly Whiteside, USA TODAY

GUADALAJARA, Mexico — The jeers from the crowd of 60,000 and the chants of "Osama, Osama, Osama" quieted Tuesday night when Mexico took control of the Olympic qualifying game against the USA at Estadio Jalisco. The 4-0 victory eliminated the U.S. under-23 men's soccer team from the Athens Games this summer.
"Since Mexico won convincingly, every fan walked out cheering," U.S. goalkeeper D.J. Countess said Wednesday after training. "I've been hit with bags of urine, limes and batteries. There even was a dead chicken thrown on the field next to me in El Salvador, but since Mexico got the result they wanted, there wasn't much of that.

"I'm sure if we would have won the game, there would have been a lot of stuff thrown at us and a lot of chants."

In the teams' meeting here last May, the crowd pelted the U.S. players with beer bottles, batteries and racial epithets, causing the U.S. Soccer Federation to send an official letter of complaint to the Mexican federation.

Though the taunting chants of "Osama," referring to al-Qaeda leader bin Laden, were disturbing, U.S. soccer officials said no formal complaint would be filed.

"The world's a political place. There are inherent jealousies between Mexico and the United States, and some people choose sports to make that as their platform," U.S. coach Glenn "Mooch" Myernick said. "There's no place for it anywhere, but particularly in sports. I don't know what any formal complaint would do."

[Drbio]

Typical liberal response from mavdog. There is no way to justify the jeering Osama Osama Osama by the mexican crowd. There is no way to justify it period.

Typical liberal response....it's ok....others do it so they can too. Disgusting.

[Mavdog]

Originally posted by: Drbio
Typical liberal response from mavdog. There is no way to justify the jeering Osama Osama Osama by the mexican crowd. There is no way to justify it period.

Typical liberal response....it's ok....others do it so they can too. Disgusting.

typical bio response, just ignore the facts.

with the comment above "They are just totally classless a-holes.", then why doesn't bio include everybody who taunts with racsist/nationalist/perjorative remarks as "classless a-holes"??? As was shown this type of behavior isn't exclusive to Mexicans, and happens even here in the USA...

There is no justification for that bullcrap, especially since Mexico has benefitted so much from being a neighbor of the US.

yeah, the narco-terrorists, who have their wealth and power due to the US drug trade, that are threatening the social stability of Mexico, are such a "benefit"....[img]i/expressions/anim_roller.gif[/img]

disgusting is correct.

[Drbio]

It's sad you cannot stay on topic. This thread is about Mexican fans. Feel free to start other threads on related topics. You cannot help but spew out typical liberal unintelligent bullshit. We've come to expect it from you. Nothing more usually less. That should be your motto.

You want to argue that Mexico has no benefit from being located on the US border? Idiocy in progress. But of course...noone ever expects intelligent thought from the resident libidiot.

[Drbio]

Originally posted by: Mavdog
I watched the whole match yesterday, and at no time did any "Osama" chanting come through the TV. There was a reference to that happening at some time in the past (an U-21 game?) but not yesterday.

Spin on mavdoofi. Try to shift the facts to fit your agenda....

U.S. soccer team assaulted in Mexico with objects and chants of "Osama" by Mexican fans...
MEXICO CITY (AP) - Mexico topped the United States 2-1 and the CONCACAF World Cup qualifying group on Sunday, and upheld its 71-year unbeaten record at home against the Americans.
Prolific striker Jared Borgetti and Antonio Naelson scored four minutes apart in the first half, and the United States could only reply through Eddie Lewis in the 59th, the first U.S. goal in Mexico since 1984.

Mexico made up for the Americans' superior size by outhustling the visitors on both sides of the ball, said Mexico coach Ricardo Lavolpe.

"We were always taking the initiative," said Lavolpe, who received a congratulatory call from President Vicente Fox. "For 90 minutes there was only one team on the field."

The crowd booed the U.S. national anthem and a spattering of fans chanted "Osama! Osama!" before play started, and shortly after Lewis' goal.

Mexico had implored its fans to be patient after only one win against the Americans in the last eight matches, and they had little to worry about as the home side dominated.

"We took the field strong and used our advantages to get a win we needed," Borgetti said.

Francisco Fonseca advanced from the right corner to draw the defense, and left the ball for Salvador Carmona, who fed Jaime Lozano. His headed cross found Borgetti just in front of the left post, and Borgetti's own header beat U.S. goalkeeper Kasey Keller in the 30th.

"It was a play where we were pushing for a goal that we executed well," Borgetti said. "It was an important first step."

With the U.S. defense still unsettled, Cuauhtemoc Blanco laced a looping pass to Borgetti, and he headed a cross to a streaking Antonio Nelson, who had little trouble besting Keller one-on-one from 11 yards out.

The deafening and rabidly nationalistic celebrations in 100,000-seat Azteca Stadium, at near capacity, didn't stop when Lavolpe was expelled for arguing in the 41st minute. He received a standing ovation from many while being escorted off the field.

U.S. captain Landon Donovan controlled the ball and drew pressure from inside the box before flicking to Lewis, who shot around Carmona and just inside the right post to cut the lead in half in the 59th.

But that was as much as the United States had to offer for the rest of the half, as Mexico pinned the Americans on their heels.

U.S. coach Bruce Arena said the 7,200-foot (2,195-meter) altitude hurt his team, even though it prepared in the mountain air of Colorado.

"Our players shut down the last 15 minutes of the first half, and that cost us the game," he said. "They were completely done at the 30-minute mark, obviously recovered a bit at halftime, and were able to play a little bit better in the second half."

The Easter Sunday win ended Mexico's recent futility against the United States - the Americans entered with a 6-1-1 record against their southern neighbors, allowing just one goal in the last seven matches. It also ensured Mexico was still an impregnable fortress to U.S. soccer - with 22 wins and one draw since 1934.

"When they got the first one in, I think we just died a little," Donovan said. "I would like to play them anywhere but here."

The result also helped the home team earn partial revenge for a 2-0 loss to the U.S. team in the second round of the 2002 World Cup, a game in South Korea that shattered Mexican fans' pride.

Mexico also ended both the Americans' 16-game unbeaten streak overall and their 31-game streak without a loss to regional rivals.

"The team is happy with the win but we don't have much time to celebrate," said Rafael Marquez, the Mexican captain.

Mexico leaves on Monday for Panama, where El Tri play their next match on Wednesday.

About 100 people gathered for a peaceful celebration near Mexico City's Angel of Independence monument following the game. A few tried to burn a small American flag but ended up trampling on it.

After two rounds, Mexico had six points, Guatemala four, Costa Rica and the Americans three each, Panama one, and Trinidad and Tobago none. The top three go to the 2006 finals in Germany, and the fourth to a playoff against an Asian nation.

Also on Wednesday, the United States faces Guatemala, and Trinidad and Tobago take on Costa Rica.

[Mavdog]

Originally posted by: Drbio
It's sad you cannot stay on topic. This thread is about Mexican fans. Feel free to start other threads on related topics. You cannot help but spew out typical liberal unintelligent bullshit. We've come to expect it from you. Nothing more usually less. That should be your motto.

From reading your banal posts over the years I completely understand that the related issue of fan conduct outside of Mexico is over your head.

You want to argue that Mexico has no benefit from being located on the US border? Idiocy in progress. But of course...noone ever expects intelligent thought from the resident libidiot.

uh, no, I am not arguing anything of the sort, just accuately pointing out that while there are many benefits of Mexico's proximity to the USA there are also many costs as well. From reading your banal posts over the years I completely understand that this is also completely over your head....

[Drbio]

No mavdoofi...your inability to stay on topic, but rather clutter up every thread by bringing in external tripe is what is over anyones head. Idiot.

As for Mexico...nice backtrack. Your "b-anal" posts suck the life out of every thread that you infest.

[Mavdog]

Originally posted by: Drbio
No mavdoofi...your inability to stay on topic, but rather clutter up every thread by bringing in external tripe is what is over anyones head. Idiot.

As for Mexico...nice backtrack. Your "b-anal" posts suck the life out of every thread that you infest.

"yawn"

thanks for providing a perfect example of what I referenced above....

[Drbio]

What? An example of your failure to stay on topic and not clutter up this thread with your drivel? Exactly. Glad to see you agree.

[Chiwas]

I watched the game too, and read all the reachable media. I assure you that this time the issue was a very unimportant and minor issue. The other time was not, I accept. This time there were people, soccer authorities, urging to behave before "our guests", no kidding, and there was a lot of protection to the US team since its arrival.

For Mavdog's comment, he has a point as usual; I would put it in my words: the acts against the US, now and then, here -and everywhere-, have an origin; they are not free, spontaneous, or arising from their own. (Ask madape, Flores, Negroponte, Arnold Manyletters, or Goss, for clues.)

We would thank, sincerely, that the level of disgust is not bigger or generalized, and that it is only confined, for now, to soccer games. It would be very expensive in many ways for both countries, otherwise. Mexico is not Iraq or Cuba, and it is not as far, small, or poor.

Besides, it's better for soccer.

[Drbio]

Chiwas - if you think that your countrymen mocking the deaths of thousands of US citizens is a "very minor and unimportant issue" then you can go F*ck yourself. I cannot believe that you would make that kind of bullcrap statement.

[FishForLunch]

Did those bastards chant Osama yesterday or not. Mavdog reads selectively, Conveniently ignored Drbio's counter post.

[dude1394]

Sounds like we need our own little security fence.

[Drbio]

A good extradition program is in order. Let them take care of their own and see how fast they want to chant.

[Mavdog]

Originally posted by: FishForLunch
Did those bastards chant Osama yesterday or not. Mavdog reads selectively, Conveniently ignored Drbio's counter post.

As I said above, the ESPN2 broadcast did not show any fans shouting "Osama". It might have happened, tho by a small group it seems, as we've seen in every crowd (and apparently every message board as well) there are those who take the athletic competition too far and hurl inappropriate slurs/insults against the opponent.

[Drbio]

Hard headed to the end or just inable to see the facts? I'd say you decide, but it is too obvious that it's both. By all accounts from the people WHO WERE THERE, the Mexicans chanted Osama loudly and often both before the game and after the US goal. If anyone wants to insist on wallowing in stupidity and just ignore the facts that's their perogative I suppose.

[kg_veteran]

I hate to wade into this one, but I'd just like to point out that it's entirely possible that chanting or shouting occurred without making it onto the ESPN2 broadcast. ESPN would probably NOT broadcast something like that; in fact, they'd probably take steps to make sure it wasn't included in the broadcast.

On the issue of the chanting, I doubt that the soccer fans speak for the country of Mexico as a whole, or for its leadership. There is certainly anti-American sentiment there, as there is in various places around the world. It does seem to be a particularly ungrateful sentiment coming from citizens of Mexico, considering how much Mexico and its citizens benefit from their relationship and proximity with the United States, but such ingratitude is hardly unusual. I think back to the comments from the Iraqi soccer team several months ago and realize that some people just don't get it. Period.

[Mavdog]

Originally posted by: Drbio
Hard headed to the end or just inable to see the facts? I'd say you decide, but it is too obvious that it's both. By all accounts from the people WHO WERE THERE, the Mexicans chanted Osama loudly and often both before the game and after the US goal. If anyone wants to insist on wallowing in stupidity and just ignore the facts that's their perogative I suppose.

three questions:
1) were you there? I predict the answer is NO, and
2) did you watch the deuce broadcast of the game? I predict the answer is NO as well, and
3) when an article refers to "a spattering of fans" who "chanted Osama Osama", how in the world does that eqate to "loudly and often"? it doesn't.

As far as "all accounts from the people WHO WERE THERE", here's a few news articles by PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE that mention nothing- that's ZERO- about any "Osama" chanting. One would think that if there were those who "chanted...loudly and often" they would hear it. Guess they didn't get your memo and they just reported the truth.

Chronicle
Chicago Tribune
LA Times

clear who is "hard headed" and "unable to see the facts" and it is certainly not I.
doctor, heal thyself!

[Drbio]

More drivel...less intelligence. The sign of a good mavdoofi post.


By all accounts of those who were there...not watching it on tv between trips to the bathroom to masturbate like yourself md....the chants were loud and disrespectful. Liberal it up all you want to and side up with the anti-American sentiment like you always seem to do, but you fool noone but yourself.

[u2sarajevo]

Although Dooby's great "Let's keep it civil" thread is not ticky-tacked anymore that doesn't mean it doesn't apply.

Please?

[Mavdog]

Originally posted by: kg_veteran
I hate to wade into this one, but I'd just like to point out that it's entirely possible that chanting or shouting occurred without making it onto the ESPN2 broadcast. ESPN would probably NOT broadcast something like that; in fact, they'd probably take steps to make sure it wasn't included in the broadcast.

Just wondering, why do you believe that ESPN would not broadcast a large scale taunting of the US team? After all, they aired the interview with C. Lewis (I believe) where he mentioned the previous case of being taunted. Do you believe that ESPN would try and be PC about it?

On the issue of the chanting, I doubt that the soccer fans speak for the country of Mexico as a whole, or for its leadership. There is certainly anti-American sentiment there, as there is in various places around the world. It does seem to be a particularly ungrateful sentiment coming from citizens of Mexico, considering how much Mexico and its citizens benefit from their relationship and proximity with the United States, but such ingratitude is hardly unusual. I think back to the comments from the Iraqi soccer team several months ago and realize that some people just don't get it. Period.

I agree. In every large crowd there's bound to be a few like that.

[kg_veteran]

Mavdog - Yeah, I suppose that ESPN would try and be politically correct.

FWIW, this quote from the Houston Chronicle article:

Sure, there was a small pocket of morons who tried to get an anti-American chant going, but they were whistled at and booed by their countrymen until they shut up.

So, in fairness, it sounds like only a very small portion of the crowd was chanting "Osama" (note, Mavdog, that the Chronicle writer was PC in saying "anti-American chant"). We're talking about a stadium that seats 110,000 people, after all.

I think we can all condemn the chanting from those people. I think we can also all acknowledge that the Mexican soccer fans, as a whole, were not engaging in such a chant, but rather were condemning it.

[Chiwas]

I'll repeat it for drbio, it was not a generalized act, that's why I said "minor". He can eat his f* word if he wants to.

On the other hand, that kind of acts against Americans are not common here; all the contrary. You can come without any fear of finding hatred to the American people, maybe to some of your politicians, but not for the American people. And I can bet that in a month you wouldn't hear "Osama", not even a single time, probably not even on the news.

Soccer is a different thing; here is surrealism, drunkenness, passion. Soccer is more important -for many people- than the war on Iraq, that economy, or the next working day. "Osama" does not mean anything in reality, but only a thing that bothers the other team and could help to beat it.

I noticed watching the game, and also watching the news the day after, that there were some american fans partying with mexican fans during the game. There wasn't news about trouble or something, there was nobody angry or hurt; there wasn't a single fight; they had a good time, despite the result.

The fences are already on your hearts, and it's not your fault, I know.

[Drbio]

Chiwas- of all people here...YOU know that I appreciate and support the peopel of Mexico in a very unique way, especially those in Jalisco and Michoacan. Our many conversations on the Chapala region are clear evidence of that. I understand the allure and social importance of soccer there, certainly more than anyone on this board outside of Mexico. However, you cannot justify the chanting of Osama to the US team for any reason. You simply cannot. Those who did it are cowards. Period. No justification possible.