2009 NBA Offseason Thread - Page 2 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Dirkenstien · 06-23-2009, 10:07 AM

-Pistons declined Rajon Rondo and Ray Allen for Stuckey, Rip Hamilton and Prince.

-Wizards declined Amare Stoudamire and 14th pick for Nick Young or Javaris Crittenton, salary fodder, the 5th overall pick, and Caron Butler.

-Toronto still listening to deals for Bosh but nothing stellar yet.

MavsFanFinley · 06-23-2009, 10:52 AM

I don't expect the Wizards to give the 5th pick away even in a weak draft. But they don't want to give anything of value up, expect you take back bad contracts, while wanting the other teams best player in return also. WTF?

TheMaverick · 06-23-2009, 11:27 AM

I think the Suns are overvaluing the black jesus a little too much lol

MavsFanFinley · 06-23-2009, 11:46 AM

Spurs and Bucks talking trade? Is that all it would take to get Jefferson? Dallas better get on the phone right now.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns

SMC0007 · 06-23-2009, 11:49 AM

RJ doesn't make or break very many teams IMO. He could help the Spurs but he isn't getting them over the hump again. TDs health probably plays a much bigger role than them getting RJ. He would be a nice piece for Dallas but if that is the only move we make I'm not jumping for joy.

MavsFanFinley · 06-23-2009, 11:57 AM

I think it would help the Spurs big time. Especially since they wouldn't be giving anything up of real value. Bowen would likely be waived and probably end back up with the Spurs.

They've been hurting for a small forward for a while now. He would fit perfectly and would be the best insurance they'd have if Ginobli goes down with an injury again.

The only gaping hole they'd have to fill would be a center which they'd have the full MLE to work with. Wallace, Gortat, or Zaza would probably be enough.

MavsFanFinley · 06-23-2009, 12:13 PM

ESPN reporting it's a done detail. Details will follow soon.

twistaeffect2004 · 06-23-2009, 12:37 PM

GREAT trade for the Spurs.

I'm hearing they gave up Oberto, Thomas and Bowen.

Anyway you slice it, that's a great trade for San Antonio.

nikeball · 06-23-2009, 12:45 PM

SUMB!TCH.

alby · 06-23-2009, 01:23 PM

FML

Dirkenstien · 06-23-2009, 02:05 PM

Congrats to the Spurs there. That's a hell of a deal. Mavs fans are losing hope. Not only do we have to get better this off-season but we have to get significantly better just to counter how much better the Spurs just got with this trade.

It's like getting winded while you're getting your butt kicked in a race and then tripping. You were already tired and trying as hard as you could to barely keep up. Everything just got a lot more difficult.

MavsFanFinley · 06-23-2009, 06:46 PM

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/48933597.html

Bucks immediately trade Oberto to the Pistons for Amir Johnson.

AxdemxO · 06-23-2009, 08:16 PM

Lets just hope the Mavs do something. At this point am even for a SnT Kidd deal.

IMO you keep Dirk, Wright, Hollins, and Kidd if we can make other trades work and look for trades for everyone else.

spreedom · 06-24-2009, 03:19 PM

GSW trade Jamal Crawford to ATL for Claxton and Acie Law.

Crawford is not an elite-level player by any means, but this is a steal for the Hawks.

grndmstr_c · 06-24-2009, 03:35 PM

Crawford's gone now too?????? Nooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!

Oh, wait a sec, Jamal Crawford sucks. Never mind.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-24-2009, 03:56 PM

Yeah, I'm not too upset about Crawford.

Still, it shows trades are starting to boil. It's gonna suck if we hear Kaman is moved and not to us. THAT will suck monkey nuts.

sike · 06-24-2009, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

It's gonna suck if we hear Kaman is moved and not to us. THAT will suck monkey nuts.

and that is NEVER a good thing.

dirno2000 · 06-24-2009, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

and that is NEVER a good thing.

What if you're a monkey?

MavsFanFinley · 06-24-2009, 11:37 PM

Crawford fell out of favor with Nelson and the team almost as soon as he got there. No surprise they shipped him out. Sure, Atlanta is getting the better deal but it opens up room for GS to work with now.

TheMaverick · 06-24-2009, 11:50 PM

GS now has A LOT of backcourt depth. I can see them making another move in the very near future.

MavsFanFinley · 06-25-2009, 12:42 AM

GS is in an interesting situation. If I have there depth chart correct they don't have the backcourt depth I thought they did.

I'd be surprised if Claxton is not waived should they fail to send his expiring contract out. Law is key and could be the backup pg they've been looking for. CJ Watson played well for them but Law will easily replace what he brought imo.

Morrow, who had a break out year and was a hustle player that Nelson loved and crowd favorite, has a team option. I'd be surprised if they didn't excercise that option unless they draft Terrence Williams with the 7th pick. Of course, if they go with Williams then they need to ship out Belinelli and/or Azubuike.

Here's the depth chart. Morrow is in italics because of the team option.

Biedrins - Turiaf
Wright - Randolph
Jackson - Maggette
Azubuike - Morrow - Belinelli
Ellis - Law - Claxton

Hard to pass on Hill if he's there but you'd then have to move Randolph or Wright. Randolph has added 20 pounds of muscle and has grown. Just shy under 7 feet tall now. No way do you trade him off right now.

MavsFanFinley · 06-27-2009, 01:22 AM

Finley's house is on the market. He's yet to pick up or decline his player option so the timing makes you wonder.

A poster with inside information said the Spurs had a deal in place to trade him and the 37th for a 1st rounder but couldn't pull it off because he hadn't picked his option up.

Wonder where he plays next year?

Dirkenstien · 06-27-2009, 12:32 PM

The Pacers declined the option on Marquis Daniels, making him an unrestricted FA. Any chance we bring him back to the big D? I wouldn't mind doing that and then using our other trade assets to acquire a solid low post player like Kaman.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...on_on_daniels/

Underdog · 06-27-2009, 12:35 PM

I thought I was happy to see 'Quis go, but at this point I'd be happier to have him back!

Dirkenstien · 06-27-2009, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I thought I was happy to see 'Quis go, but at this point I'd be happier to have him back!

That was an idiotic Avery move in his quest to destroy this franchise. I'd be thrilled to have him back and I'm sure Howard would like it as well.

rakesh.s · 06-27-2009, 01:25 PM

ehh already posted this in the mavs offseason thread, but marquis daniels is a must for the mavs..he's a legitimate 15 point scorer (unlike antoine wright and eddie jones), and he can play backup PG.

If the mavs can pick him up, and get Kaman/Gortat, and re-sign Kidd, next season should be a promising one.

CadBane · 06-27-2009, 04:00 PM

Marquis Daniels has never scored 15 PPG in his life. The guy is not that good. He put up 13.6 last year due to massive injuries (mainly Dunleavy and Granger) giving him more PT and shots. He averages 9 PPG for his career and is a SG that shoots 20% from three. He averages almost as many turnovers as assists. The guy is a marginal "me first" SG with no range. Why some of you love him so much puzzles me. Oh, and he gets to the line 2 times a game.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 06-27-2009, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

Marquis Daniels has never scored 15 PPG in his life. The guy is not that good. He put up 13.6 last year due to massive injuries (mainly Dunleavy and Granger) giving him more PT and shots. He averages 9 PPG for his career and is a SG that shoots 20% from three. He averages almost as many turnovers as assists. The guy is a marginal "me first" SG with no range. Why some of you love him so much puzzles me. Oh, and he gets to the line 2 times a game.

Good post. There's a reason why the Pacers aren't picking up his option. (and it isn't because he's not white!)

fluid.forty.one · 06-27-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

Marquis Daniels has never scored 15 PPG in his life. The guy is not that good. He put up 13.6 last year due to massive injuries (mainly Dunleavy and Granger) giving him more PT and shots. He averages 9 PPG for his career and is a SG that shoots 20% from three. He averages almost as many turnovers as assists. The guy is a marginal "me first" SG with no range. Why some of you love him so much puzzles me. Oh, and he gets to the line 2 times a game.

He may not score 15 ppg, but he's a hell of a lot better than Write and Eddie Jones.

Plus, it will be easier for him to get shots when playing with Howard, Dirk, (maybe Kidd) rather than the scrubs in Indiana.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 06-27-2009, 05:42 PM

Also good point ^. To me I'd take Daniels over what we have as a last resort, but I don't think it makes us a contender by any means.

CadBane · 06-27-2009, 06:24 PM

Well yeah, quis has more offensive game than Wright. But that's like saying JJB is a better PG than Tyrone Lue.

Dirkenstien · 06-27-2009, 07:51 PM

If we had to use our trade assets to acquire a low post presence then I wouldn't mind signing Quis with the MLE. He's better than what we have now and he is a versatile player.

grndmstr_c · 06-27-2009, 08:44 PM

If Parker goes to Europe or another team and a wing is still on the agenda in free agency I'd see if anything could be worked out with Hill or Barnes on the cheap before I'd offer any sizable portion of the MLE to Quis.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-27-2009, 08:47 PM

Didn't Kobe score a billion points on Quis? I just think that the Mavs need to stop living in the past and get some new players. We tried Quis, and it never got us a championship. Why go the same route?

jthig32 · 06-27-2009, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

If we had to use our trade assets to acquire a low post presence then I wouldn't mind signing Quis with the MLE. He's better than what we have now and he is a versatile player.

The entire MLE? Are you nuts?

TheMaverick · 06-27-2009, 09:51 PM

For the entire MLE, I would rather have Marion.

dirno2000 · 06-27-2009, 09:57 PM

I don't think basketball's that important to him. That's why he hasn't improved since his rookie year. he's actually gotten worse.

Sadly he would actually raise our talent level but he's not the kind of person we should be adding.

TheMaverick · 06-27-2009, 10:45 PM

Maybe, I am just not completely sold on Marquis.

Everyone is saying how Marquis may be the best thing to happen to Howard... but what if it turns out to be detrimental to the team. Two guys in the same crowd doing the same type of things... I'm not sure if Dallas and/or Josh can handle that.

BGMaverick9 · 06-28-2009, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

Good post. There's a reason why the Pacers aren't picking up his option. (and it isn't because he's not white!)

Why would you spend that much money on a clear backup to what you have at the guard/forward position? Sure there is a talent and injury issue, but it's just simple economics. If they can get him for a much reduced rate, it's a win-win.

Flacolaco · 06-28-2009, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

If we had to use our trade assets to acquire a low post presence then I wouldn't mind signing Quis with the MLE. He's better than what we have now and he is a versatile player.

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Originally Posted by Flaco's Mom

If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all

Ok, Mom.