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EricaLubarsky · 05-10-2018, 05:48 PM

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Wow, how could you forget Harris at 5? I'm disappointed...

He was technically drafted FOR us and wasn’t drafted BY us, but true. He was our most recent lottery pick in the top 7

Underdog · 05-10-2018, 05:57 PM

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He was technically drafted FOR us and wasn’t drafted BY us, but true. He was our most recent lottery pick in the top 7

I kinda hate the way the NBA credits draft picks -- they really need to list them with the team they actually go to, not who "picked" them.

Underdog · 05-10-2018, 07:27 PM

Is it just me or does Mo look like he's put on a bit of muscle?

@BR_NBA: Mo Bamba putting in work with @KGArea21

tap2390 · 05-10-2018, 07:34 PM

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Is it just me or does Mo look like he's put on a bit of muscle?

@BR_NBA: Mo Bamba putting in work with @KGArea21

I definitely see more of a fire to be great from Mo Bamba than I do from Ayton or Bagley. Show me who your friends are and I'll show you who you are. Mo is hanging with KG and Embiid.

I completely qualify everything I just said with the fact that for all I know Ayton is kicking it with Hakeem and Kareem.

EDIT: Also, here's a great article about Mo the Ringer published yesterday... https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/5...-draft-lottery

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-10-2018, 08:30 PM

It's funny how early scouting reports might shape how rookies will attempt to make their values rise.

And you should draft Bamba because you're all but guaranteed rebounds and defense...two things the Mavs desperately need....not because he oiled up his arms in a social media post.

sefant77 · 05-10-2018, 09:03 PM

KG...

BPo001 · 05-10-2018, 10:11 PM

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KG...

I hate KG, but if Bamba wants to work with him you can't complain about that. The more I think about it the more I'm liking Bamba. I still think I take Ayton if they're both available, but the gap between them is closing. Can't wait until Tuesday so we know where we are picking.

hayth.james.g · 05-11-2018, 07:19 AM

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I hate KG, but if Bamba wants to work with him you can't complain about that. The more I think about it the more I'm liking Bamba. I still think I take Ayton if they're both available, but the gap between them is closing. Can't wait until Tuesday so we know where we are picking.

The gap between them is not closing. People are getting caught up in the hype of the draft process. I watched almost every Bamba game. There is no way I would consider him vs. Ayton. I like him, but he is a project with low floor and high ceiling.

hayth.james.g · 05-11-2018, 09:19 AM

I believe Marvin Bagley is this year's Jayson Tatum. Nitpicked for what he doesn't do well; all the while he has a core set of skills he will excel with. Not comparing their games as they are very different, but I think the media hype train and youtube highlight reels do us a disservice.

The best path to the playoffs in the next 3 years goes through Deandre Ayton or Marvin Bagley imo. I am a huge fan of Doncic, but I do acknowledge the potential poor court fit with DSJ. JJJ and Bamba both have potential with high ceilings while being much bigger projects.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-11-2018, 10:06 AM

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I believe Marvin Bagley is this year's Jayson Tatum. Nitpicked for what he doesn't do well; all the while he has a core set of skills he will excel with. Not comparing their games as they are very different, but I think the media hype train and youtube highlight reels do us a disservice.

The best path to the playoffs in the next 3 years goes through Deandre Ayton or Marvin Bagley imo. I am a huge fan of Doncic, but I do acknowledge the potential poor court fit with DSJ. JJJ and Bamba both have potential with high ceilings while being much bigger projects.

And Bagley is much more athletic than Taytum, not that you were directly comparing. I just think it gets seriously lost with people who only focus on his defense that he can run like a guard and handle the ball as well. A hybrid Amare/Bosh would be a wonderful thing to have.

But if the 1, 2, 3 stand as Phx, Memphis, Dallas, then we could very well be drafting Ayton at number 3 with Doncic and Bagley going one and two. That actually makes a lot of sense...almost too much sense.

EricaLubarsky · 05-11-2018, 10:16 AM

My top five
1) Mikal Bridges - Dude is going to be a solid Marion/Leonard type. Not to be skipped. His calling card is his defense, but he's shown he can drive and dominate with movement last season and this season he's shown he can 3/D it up.

2) Bagley - He's got range and he's got versatility. Like Smith, he's going to have to learn defense, but also like Smith, he's got the physical tools.

3) Bamba - defensively dominant, strong finishing the PnR. Great oop recipient. Centers that can't play D have to shoot from range. Mo can defend. I'm still not convinced that he will ever be a 20-25ppg guy, but I am convinced he can pull down 12 reb and put up 2-3 blocks.

4) Doncic - You pick him simply because of talent and potential upside

5) Jackson - Modern center. Plays D, total athleticism, can shoot and finish oops.

tap2390 · 05-11-2018, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

I believe Marvin Bagley is this year's Jayson Tatum. Nitpicked for what he doesn't do well; all the while he has a core set of skills he will excel with. Not comparing their games as they are very different, but I think the media hype train and youtube highlight reels do us a disservice.

The best path to the playoffs in the next 3 years goes through Deandre Ayton or Marvin Bagley imo. I am a huge fan of Doncic, but I do acknowledge the potential poor court fit with DSJ. JJJ and Bamba both have potential with high ceilings while being much bigger projects.

Agree with all of this.

sefant77 · 05-11-2018, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

I believe Marvin Bagley is this year's Jayson Tatum. Nitpicked for what he doesn't do well; all the while he has a core set of skills he will excel with. Not comparing their games as they are very different, but I think the media hype train and youtube highlight reels do us a disservice.

The best path to the playoffs in the next 3 years goes through Deandre Ayton or Marvin Bagley imo. I am a huge fan of Doncic, but I do acknowledge the potential poor court fit with DSJ. JJJ and Bamba both have potential with high ceilings while being much bigger projects.

The whole problem with Bagley is not his skills, its how they translate into the NBA. How he can translate them into the NBA.

SMC0007 · 05-11-2018, 11:23 AM

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My top five
1) Mikal Bridges - Dude is going to be a solid Marion/Leonard type. Not to be skipped. His calling card is his defense, but he's shown he can drive and dominate with movement last season and this season he's shown he can 3/D it up.

2) Bagley - He's got range and he's got versatility. Like Smith, he's going to have to learn defense, but also like Smith, he's got the physical tools.

3) Bamba - defensively dominant, strong finishing the PnR. Great oop recipient. Centers that can't play D have to shoot from range. Mo can defend. I'm still not convinced that he will ever be a 20-25ppg guy, but I am convinced he can pull down 12 reb and put up 2-3 blocks.

4) Doncic - You pick him simply because of talent and potential upside

5) Jackson - Modern center. Plays D, total athleticism, can shoot and finish oops.

So if you are drafting Bridges, are you playing him most at the 2, Taking Wes minutes?

Underdog · 05-11-2018, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

And Bagley is much more athletic than Taytum, not that you were directly comparing. I just think it gets seriously lost with people who only focus on his defense that he can run like a guard and handle the ball as well. A hybrid Amare/Bosh would be a wonderful thing to have.

Don't forget FT shooting, which is going to severely limit his offensive effectiveness in the NBA unless he can get that fixed.

Underdog · 05-11-2018, 11:40 AM

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So if you are drafting Bridges, are you playing him most at the 2, Taking Wes minutes?

I'm not as high on Bridges as EL (although higher than most), but I don't think you really consider Wes when making picks in this draft... Dude is in the final season of his contract, he might not even be on the roster when the season starts.

Hell, for that matter I don't let Barnes sway me either. If we end up drafting someone like Bridges or Porter and they force him out of SF, then so be it... Harrison only has 2 years left on his contract and is probably our biggest trade chip at the moment... And although not preferable, he CAN play PF... Also, I'm not sure how solid his place is in our longterm plans, especially with him being a little older than the rest of our upcoming core (including possible FAs like Randle, Gordon, Parker, etc). Seems like he's gonna have to take another step or two up to justify his paycheck, otherwise I could see us going a different direction.

BPo001 · 05-11-2018, 11:47 AM

All the people saying Bamba is too much of a project seem to forget that Gianni's was viewed the same way. Look at him now. While I don't think he will be a 25ppg guy he can come in and make an immediate impact defensively and with rebounding. His ability to roll to the rim will also free up our shooters in the corners. With guys like Wes, Dirk, McBuckets, and possibly Seth that could be deadly. Cover the shooters and now DSJ is taking it to the hoop.

Melonhead · 05-11-2018, 12:01 PM

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All the people saying Bamba is too much of a project seem to forget that Gianni's was viewed the same way. Look at him now. While I don't think he will be a 25ppg guy he can come in and make an immediate impact defensively and with rebounding. His ability to roll to the rim will also free up our shooters in the corners. With guys like Wes, Dirk, McBuckets, and possibly Seth that could be deadly. Cover the shooters and now DSJ is taking it to the hoop.

Bingo we need defense and rebounding in the worst way. Freeing up guys on the wing cant happen until that is addressed

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-11-2018, 12:03 PM

Well Bamba is NOT a project on defense. His numbers pure and advanced all back that up.

It's just the offense that is the big question and will need a lot of hard work put in.

BPo001 · 05-11-2018, 12:42 PM

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Well Bamba is NOT a project on defense. His numbers pure and advanced all back that up.

It's just the offense that is the big question and will need a lot of hard work put in.

As long as he can learn to roll to the rim and catch lobs he should be fine. He's shown he can do that.

SMC0007 · 05-11-2018, 12:52 PM

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I'm not as high on Bridges as EL (although higher than most), but I don't think you really consider Wes when making picks in this draft... Dude is in the final season of his contract, he might not even be on the roster when the season starts.

Hell, for that matter I don't let Barnes sway me either. If we end up drafting someone like Bridges or Porter and they force him out of SF, then so be it... Harrison only has 2 years left on his contract and is probably our biggest trade chip at the moment... And although not preferable, he CAN play PF... Also, I'm not sure how solid his place is in our longterm plans, especially with him being a little older than the rest of our upcoming core (including possible FAs like Randle, Gordon, Parker, etc). Seems like he's gonna have to take another step or two up to justify his paycheck, otherwise I could see us going a different direction.

My point was going to be about fit.. he is a tweeter which isnt bad but I think Barnes is highly regarded for many reasons within the mbt and bridges would be no where nesr Barnes level of he ever even reaches it. I could care less of what happens with Wes as long as he isnt starting and logging heavy minutes playing like he has here.

I would play both doncic and bridges both at sg but for obvious different reasons. One brings better overall offense and another brings better overall defense. I woukdnt move Barnes which is the only staple on the team at this point to fit either of those 2. Even if its Porter.. he needs to prove something before I move Barnes out of position or off the team... unless we are tank.2 next year

Underdog · 05-11-2018, 05:14 PM

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My point was going to be about fit.. he is a tweeter which isnt bad but I think Barnes is highly regarded for many reasons within the mbt and bridges would be no where nesr Barnes level of he ever even reaches it. I could care less of what happens with Wes as long as he isnt starting and logging heavy minutes playing like he has here.

I would play both doncic and bridges both at sg but for obvious different reasons. One brings better overall offense and another brings better overall defense. I woukdnt move Barnes which is the only staple on the team at this point to fit either of those 2. Even if its Porter.. he needs to prove something before I move Barnes out of position or off the team... unless we are tank.2 next year

It would actually be my preference that Bridges replace Wes in the lineup, if that's the direction we went... Just also pointing out that Barnes could always move over to PF to accommodate him (or Porter) at SF if needed. I guess the actual point I was trying to make is that I don't think fit should really be considered too much in the draft since none of our positions are solidified, aside from PG... The rest of our starters are either replaceable or positionally flexible.

Underdog · 05-11-2018, 05:16 PM

So I ran across an article today that touches on some JJJ/Bamba points I was discussing in another thread...

Jackson Jr. vs. Bamba: Why Jaren Jackson Jr. is the superior prospect
https://www.dallassportsfanatic.com/...rior-prospect/

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On the flip side, JJJ is probably the best defender in the draft, with an instinct that possibly even surpasses Bamba's physical traits as a rim protector at the NBA level... He's also an excellent floor stretcher, shooting almost 40% from beyond the arc in college. You know what we call a rim-protecting sharpshooter in the NBA? That's right, a unicorn... Really, his biggest weakness has been foul trouble, which does matter in a league where James Harden can flop his way into MVP consideration year after year... But he's also the youngest player in the draft, so there's always an chance for him to learn discipline, especially on Carlisle's short leash. Easily the best two-way player in the draft, but still really, really raw.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-11-2018, 06:32 PM

JJJ's biggest weakness is his rebounding, and I hope that can be remedied. I think he can be a stronger Rasheed Wallace which would be win.

All of the top 5 guys are wins. There is no way to really hold the FO accountable if one of them flops because we've scouted them to death.

hayth.james.g · 05-11-2018, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

So I ran across an article today that touches on some JJJ/Bamba points I was discussing in another thread...

Jackson Jr. vs. Bamba: Why Jaren Jackson Jr. is the superior prospect
https://www.dallassportsfanatic.com/...rior-prospect/

21 year old UNT student making some solid points

Underdog · 05-11-2018, 07:03 PM

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JJJ's biggest weakness is his rebounding, and I hope that can be remedied. I think he can be a stronger Rasheed Wallace which would be win.

All of the top 5 guys are wins. There is no way to really hold the FO accountable if one of them flops because we've scouted them to death.

I wouldn't call rebounding a weakness, necessarily... He's not as good as some of the other prospects, but it's not like he's a BAD rebounder. His lack of minutes have more to do with it than his footwork or timing.

Jackson: 5.8 RPG / 21.8 MPG / 10.6 RPG (Per-40)
Ayton: 11.6 RPG / 33.5 MPG / 13.8 RPG (Per-40)
Bamba: 10.5 RPG / 30.2 MPG / 14.0 RPG (Per-40)
Bagley: 11.1 RPG / 33.8 MPG / 13.1 RPG (Per-40)

Definitely an area that could use some improvement, but nothing to be alarmed about.

Bryan_Wilson · 05-11-2018, 07:10 PM

I won't be shocked if Bagley is great, and he's still absolutely deserving of a top pick. But Tatum had an arsenal of proven offensive skills. Bagley just doesn't seem as polished to me as that. Tatum was more refined and a very good athlete. Bagley is a supreme athlete without the polish and refinement imo. And the reason Tatum is on another level to what people expected is his 3pt shooting. He shot 34% in college on 4 attempts a game, nothing outstanding about that and many many players shoot very similarly. He shot a staggering 43% on 3 attempts a game as a rookie. I'm not sure I've ever seen that tbh. In the playoffs he's fallen down to 31% but he's getting to the ft line more to help offset that.

Also people here were only down on Tatum because he's similar to Barnes. I'd still take DSJ if we had the opportunity to swap players simply because DSJ to me was the 2nd best player behind only Fultz... the Fultz who could shoot, not whatever the hell happened to him after the Sixers got ahold of him. And I don't think people here knew Fultz was an idiot. I imagine some teams got a chance to see that in 1 on 1 interviews. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8-66tCPSV8 3min video, no need to go beyond 0:01.

Underdog · 05-11-2018, 07:13 PM

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21 year old UNT student making some solid points

Lol, what's with UNT cranking out the Mavs media? I know both Skin and Followill went there (I remember listening to Followill on KNTU back when I was in high school).

But, yeah, the kid is making some solid points.

EricaLubarsky · 05-11-2018, 07:53 PM

Wait, who do we want now?

tap2390 · 05-11-2018, 08:24 PM

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Wait, who do we want now?

Yes... 😂

Underdog · 05-11-2018, 08:47 PM

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Wait, who do we want now?

I want Ayton, Bagley, Bamba, Bridges, Doncic, Jackson Jr, and Porter... More than one would be preferable.

Really gotta figure out where we're picking, but I can make a case for everyone at this point. All of these guys look promising. It's a good problem to have.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-11-2018, 10:22 PM

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Wait, who do we want now?

We're drafting Trae Young in hopes of becoming the next Warriors. Deal with it.

sefant77 · 05-12-2018, 09:17 AM

We are torn up between Doncic and Trae....deal with it, Erica

tap2390 · 05-12-2018, 08:27 PM

1) PHX - D. Ayton (Suns don't overthink it and take the guy who meshes best with the talent currently on the squad)

2) MEM - M. Bagley (Grizz think they can make noise in the West by resigning Tyreke and slotting Bagley at the 4 where he game meshes well with Gasol)

3) DAL - L. Doncic (Mavs go BPA and worry about fit later)

4) ATL - J. Jackson Jr. (Atlanta takes JJJ hoping him and Collins provide foundation as two big, mobile, well-rounded big men)

5) ORL - T. Young (they need a facilitator badly)

6) CHI - M. Bamba (Bulls look hard at Bridges but decide to gamble on upside)

7) SAC - Mik. Bridges (Kings take the highest floor in the draft with the somber realization that the guys with potential are too risky)

8) CLE - M. Porter (with Lebron leaving following getting swept in the Finals, Cavs decided they're in the position to roll the dice)

9) NYK - Mil. Bridges (Knicks pick a high energy guy whose game meshes extremely well with Porzingis's)

10) PHI - G. Trent Jr. (76ers take the sweet shooting two to replace JJ Reddick who they renounce to sign Lebron)

11) CHA - W. Carter (Hornets are going to blow it up anyways, so they go BPA... Carter becomes ROY candidate after Hornets trade away Dwight)

12) LAC - Z. Smith (Clips are all about upside after trading away Blake)

13) LAC - K. Knox (See above)

14) DEN - R. Williams (Denver looks to pair Jokic with an advanced defender and rim protector)

Underdog · 05-12-2018, 08:43 PM

@Rkonkle_mffl: Jaren Jackson Jr. Was in his baggggg. One of the most incredible moves you will ever see a big man make.

@Rkonkle_mffl: And then on the very next possession, helps and recovers, closes out to a shooter, and then rotates off the weak side for a block.

https://twitter.com/Rkonkle_mffl/sta...76558193266688

Scoobay · 05-12-2018, 09:58 PM

i know it's just hype, but man the description of Bamba's routine, workouts, work ethic... that's enticing. Perhaps he's right - that other guys are all doing the same, but as we know with Dirk, you can't judge based on performance/production after one year. I'm interested to know how much of the NBA side of things is related to interview/personality traits. At the highest level (as discussed in the other thread), you basically put up with whatever crap from your superstars. But when drafting how much does it matter the perception of a guy's heart, intelligence, work ethic, etc.?

JJJ - amazing athletes with big time potential shown as a freshman. any word on his WTW? work ethic? etc? same question about Ayton...

Bryan_Wilson · 05-13-2018, 06:24 AM

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@Rkonkle_mffl: Jaren Jackson Jr. Was in his baggggg. One of the most incredible moves you will ever see a big man make.

@Rkonkle_mffl: And then on the very next possession, helps and recovers, closes out to a shooter, and then rotates off the weak side for a block.

https://twitter.com/Rkonkle_mffl/sta...76558193266688

His upside is scary good. Like he really does look like a guy that people down the line will say "gm's talked themselves out of despite the obvious talent". To be fair the opposite is true as well which is why he's not going in the top 3 in my opinion.

Underdog · 05-13-2018, 04:39 PM

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@Rkonkle_mffl: Jaren Jackson Jr. Was in his baggggg. One of the most incredible moves you will ever see a big man make.

@Rkonkle_mffl: And then on the very next possession, helps and recovers, closes out to a shooter, and then rotates off the weak side for a block.

https://twitter.com/Rkonkle_mffl/sta...76558193266688

@Rkonkle_mffl: Another one
https://twitter.com/Rkonkle_mffl/sta...81769108525056

sefant77 · 05-13-2018, 05:29 PM

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His upside is scary good. Like he really does look like a guy that people down the line will say "gm's talked themselves out of despite the obvious talent". To be fair the opposite is true as well which is why he's not going in the top 3 in my opinion.

Boston gets #3 and takes him...remember where...

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-13-2018, 07:12 PM

I'm still highly skeptical of the overall impact of JJJ. Advanced numbers are great in a nutshell, but they obviously don't tell the whole story.

Why wasn't he played more? Was it just foul trouble? Seems strange to have a top 5 draft talent only manage 21 mpg.