The Official Dallas Cowboys 2010 Off-Season Thread

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by Underdog

I never said they shouldn't do their research - art and science can use the same tools, it's just a different approach.

You don't simply assign number values to a player and pick 'em - good picks come from the gut (not to mention that any type of numbers system only works in a vacuum.)


"Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth" - Mike Tyson

For the sake of argument, and I'd rather do this than work right now.

But what if you have acid indigestion that day. That pick from the gut might have just been the pepperoni talking. It is a long couple of days. Wasn't Quincy Carter a gut thing?

Oh yea -- Buster Douglas had a plan -- stay in the ring and wear big Mike out. And his research and plan worked even when he got punched in the mouth. Many plans work great if you put the time and effort into them.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by dalmations202

For the sake of argument, and I'd rather do this than work right now.

But what if you have acid indigestion that day. That pick from the gut might have just been the pepperoni talking. It is a long couple of days. Wasn't Quincy Carter a gut thing?

Was Quincy Carter a gut decision? Are you sure he wasn't part of a numbers system? He was drafted based on need.

You can do all the research in the world, create all the spreadsheets and charts you want, but you might be forced to change (or abandon) your plan quickly when names start flying off the board (especially if your team has needs.)

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Was Quincy Carter a gut decision? Are you sure he wasn't part of a numbers system? He was drafted based on need.

You can do all the research in the world, create all the spreadsheets and charts you want, but you might be forced to change (or abandon) your plan quickly when names start flying off the board (especially if your team has needs.)

I agree with the "have to be fluid" part of it.

I also think that you draft based on weighted BPA -- and needs come from FA.

A points system just allows you to try and take some of the as Bill said "red herring players" out of it. It also allows you to actually utilize the strengths of the guys you hire.

With that said, you are still using your "gut" when you determine how much to weight the "areas" you give the points to - and when you determine the level points you give the players. It isn't anywhere near an exact science or let's face it Austin and Romo would have at least been drafted. They didn't get on the board via, gut, science or any other reason other than someone said -- I'll take a chance after the draft -- and both were in the ProBowl this year.

Bills system got the Cowboys Jacob Rogers, but also Demarcus Ware.
Toms system got the Cowboys Tony Dorsett, but also Rod Hill.
Jimmy got 47 people to choose from with all the draft picks he got from the Hershal trade.

Dallas has missed lots of players, and hit on many of them.

I just like the weighted number way, and weigh it against the value of where you are picking.

[mkat]

Originally Posted by dalmations202

Bills system got the Cowboys Jacob Rogers, but also Demarcus Ware.

technically jerry's system got ware. bill was gonna take spears there.