Chris Broussard is for lack of a better word a bigot

[jthig32]

If I state that I believe abortion to be wrong, am I being hateful? Or am I just stating a belief? Am I implicitly expressing hatred to anyone condoning or practicing abortion? Or am I just simply expressing my opinion in the hopes that someone will hear it?

Is it wrong of me to believe something that is so clearly the minority opinion within society? Has societal acceptance reached the point that I am simply not allowed to express this belief without being labeled as hateful?

What if I hold and express this belief, and yet it never affects my societal relationships? What if I hold no ill-will towards those around me that openly support it? What if I engage in lively, open, and friendly (although sometimes heated) debate with those I love that support it?

On the flip side, what if I support abortion? Abortion is heavily accepted within society, so clearly I'm not hateful. But what if I have a deep seeded level of disgust at those that don't support it? What if I chalk up their beliefs as irrational and archaic. No intelligent and rational person could ever not support it, right? So anyone that doesn't should be written off as hateful and bigoted, a male chauvinist who has no use for women's rights. I won't even listen to their points and I will make it clear when they're around that I have no use for them or any others of their ilk.

Now, who in this scenario is close minded and hateful, and who is not?

(And just for the record, I am most certainly not arguing that this is the case with Broussard or most Christians with their views. I don't know what Broussard has in his heart or how his beliefs affect his relationships. I'm simply showing that being in the majority doesn't mean you're the beacon of openness and equality that you claim to be)

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by jthig32

If I state that I believe abortion to be wrong, am I being hateful? Or am I just stating a belief? Am I implicitly expressing hatred to anyone condoning or practicing abortion? Or am I just simply expressing my opinion in the hopes that someone will hear it?

Is it wrong of me to believe something that is so clearly the minority opinion within society? Has societal acceptance reached the point that I am simply not allowed to express this belief without being labeled as hateful?

What if I hold and express this belief, and yet it never affects my societal relationships? What if I hold no ill-will towards those around me that openly support it? What if I engage in lively, open, and friendly (although sometimes heated) debate with those I love that support it?

On the flip side, what if I support abortion? Abortion is heavily accepted within society, so clearly I'm not hateful. But what if I have a deep seeded level of disgust at those that don't support it? What if I chalk up their beliefs as irrational and archaic. No intelligent and rational person could ever not support it, right? So anyone that doesn't should be written off as hateful and bigoted, a male chauvinist who has no use for women's rights. I won't even listen to their points and I will make it clear when they're around that I have no use for them or any others of their ilk.

Now, who in this scenario is close minded and hateful, and who is not?

(And just for the record, I am most certainly not arguing that this is the case with Broussard or most Christians with their views. I don't know what Broussard has in his heart or how his beliefs affect his relationships. I'm simply showing that being in the majority doesn't mean you're the beacon of openness and equality that you claim to be)

If the folks replying to this were truthful, the answer would be yes, you are a hateful bigot because you do not think the right way. And you need to be shouted down, ostracized and minimized at all costs.

[Dirkadirkastan]

Originally Posted by jthig32

If I state that I believe abortion to be wrong, am I being hateful? Or am I just stating a belief? Am I implicitly expressing hatred to anyone condoning or practicing abortion? Or am I just simply expressing my opinion in the hopes that someone will hear it?

Is it wrong of me to believe something that is so clearly the minority opinion within society? Has societal acceptance reached the point that I am simply not allowed to express this belief without being labeled as hateful?

What if I hold and express this belief, and yet it never affects my societal relationships? What if I hold no ill-will towards those around me that openly support it? What if I engage in lively, open, and friendly (although sometimes heated) debate with those I love that support it?

On the flip side, what if I support abortion? Abortion is heavily accepted within society, so clearly I'm not hateful. But what if I have a deep seeded level of disgust at those that don't support it? What if I chalk up their beliefs as irrational and archaic. No intelligent and rational person could ever not support it, right? So anyone that doesn't should be written off as hateful and bigoted, a male chauvinist who has no use for women's rights. I won't even listen to their points and I will make it clear when they're around that I have no use for them or any others of their ilk.

Now, who in this scenario is close minded and hateful, and who is not?

(And just for the record, I am most certainly not arguing that this is the case with Broussard or most Christians with their views. I don't know what Broussard has in his heart or how his beliefs affect his relationships. I'm simply showing that being in the majority doesn't mean you're the beacon of openness and equality that you claim to be)

All Collins said was that he was gay. That's it. He didn't say he was engaging in homosexual sex, just that he was gay.

So to respond by claiming that being gay is wrong is an attack on his identity, not his actions. Abortion is an action, not a part of one's identity. So a better analogy would be to compare the claim "being gay is wrong" to the claim "black people are inferior." I'm not saying that for shock value or guilt by association. I'm saying the two are similar, and dissimilar from the abortion claim, because they classify a genetic trait as inferior.

Explaining this difference time and time again to deaf ears gets tiresome.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by SeanL

When did sin become a nice word?

A nice word? It's not a nice word, I suppose. But it's not necessarily a hateful word, either. By most interpretations of the Bible, lots of people sin every day. You and I both do. So is it hateful for me to say that I think something is a sin?

Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

All Collins said was that he was gay. That's it. He didn't say he was engaging in homosexual sex, just that he was gay.

So to respond by claiming that being gay is wrong is an attack on his identity, not his actions. Abortion is an action, not a part of one's identity. So a better analogy would be to compare the claim "being gay is wrong" to the claim "black people are inferior." I'm not saying that for shock value or guilt by association. I'm saying the two are similar, and dissimilar from the abortion claim, because they classify a genetic trait as inferior.

Explaining this difference time and time again to deaf ears gets tiresome.

Broussard said that he thought living a homosexual lifestyle was a sin. That clearly assumes that sex is not being abstained, and takes away the argument of identity, at least in this context. Which brings the abortion analogy right back in play.

[Dirkadirkastan]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Broussard said that he thought living a homosexual lifestyle was a sin. That clearly assumes that sex is not being abstained, and takes away the argument of identity, at least in this context. Which brings the abortion analogy right back in play.

Why then, were any of his comments appropriate?

[SeanL]

Originally Posted by jthig32

A nice word? It's not a nice word, I suppose. But it's not necessarily a hateful word, either. By most interpretations of the Bible, lots of people sin every day. You and I both do. So is it hateful for me to say that I think something is a sin?



Broussard said that he thought living a homosexual lifestyle was a sin. That clearly assumes that sex is not being abstained, and takes away the argument of identity, at least in this context. Which brings the abortion analogy right back in play.

So saying someone is sinful for loving their partner is not hateful? Forgive me if I'm not buying what you are selling.

And according to most Christian doctrines not every sin is a mortal sin (i.e. a sin that would condemn you to an eternity of torture). Homosexuality is considered a mortal sin.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by SeanL

So saying someone is sinful for loving their partner is not hateful? Forgive me if I'm not buying what you are selling.

And according to most Christian doctrines not every sin is a mortal sin (i.e. a sin that would condemn you to an eternity of torture). Homosexuality is considered a mortal sin.

Most Christian doctrines don't even believe in mortal sin. That's a Catholic thing.

[SeanL]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Most Christian doctrines don't even believe in mortal sin. That's a Catholic thing.

And Catholicism is the largest denomination.

Anyhow point is he is saying that a gay persons love for their partner is a bad thing and something to be ashamed of precisely because it is sinful. nSounds pretty bigoted to me.