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BAD Radio mentioned that Oakley will soon be released and he wants to go to a contender and is willing to play limited minutes. I think we should be interested for the veteran minimum, which is about all any contender can actually pay. It would be addition without subtraction. Thoughts?
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Sure, I'd give him a try. If he doesn't work out we could just as easily cut him. I'd be for it.
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i'd definitely look into charles
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I am not exactly sure how the CAB works in regard to releases. Does Chicago still owe him the balance of $7 million and the team picking him only pay veteran minimum, or does he have to clear waivers first and then can sign veteran minimum?
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Yeah, I think he would have to clear waivers. But who would pick him up at that price? And who could afford to under the cap? Plus, you'd need him to be a happy camper. So unless that is a contender, I don't see the point. And what contender is under the cap?
Conceivably, could a team use the mid-level exception to pick a guy off waivers? But that question is moot, is it not, because he makes more than that this year? although, he is owed less than that for the remainder of the year. Still, I doubt it.
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It was in the paper today about the John Starks rule. He can forfeit his salary for the remainder of the season and the Bulls would let him go, then he would be able to sign for the league minimum of $1.1 million for a veteran but it would be prorated obviously for half a season.
However Krause has said he would probably pay out the salary to Oakley. They did that for John Starks when he was willing to forfeit his salary.
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I suppose that someone could offer their mid-level exception to Oakley. According to realgm.com, Toronto, Sacramento, Philadelphia, Phoenix & Indiana are all playoff teams which still have the mid-level exception.
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I like the part where Oakley says he is willing to play 12-15 minutes for the right team.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Here's the link Oakley release may be close - Bulls discussing letting veteran go By K.C. Johnson Tribune staff reporter February 6, 2002 11:38 PM CST LOS ANGELES - Charles Oakley missed his third straight game with a sore right wrist Wednesday, and that wasn't the only status quo aspect of his day. The veteran forward, mindful that his role will continue to decrease as that of Tyson Chandler's increases, continued his season-long pining for a different location. "I'm probably best suited for a veteran team," Oakley said after skipping the Bulls' morning shootaround at Los Angeles Southwest College. "I could help a lot of teams. "Teams are always looking for a big body inside who can play the game, has been around and understands. I don't need a lot of shots. I can play just 12 to 15 minutes, maybe 20. I'll do whatever." Oakley finally might get that chance. A team source said management has discussed the possibility of releasing Oakley outright because his $7.3 million salary makes him difficult to trade. The move would have to made before March 1 if Oakley is to be eligible for the playoff roster of whatever team signed him. The Bulls released John Starks three weeks after the deadline in 2000, which angered Starks. |
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since this topic is HOT right now, I wanted to bump this thread. I would love to see 15 minutes of defense and rebound on this team. If we can pick him, we should.
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Amen to that BLG. I like you a lot more than that punk RCF.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
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WOW, thnx for the kind words Dooby!
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I wouldn't mind getting Oakley if he was to be cut and cleared waivers. However, it looks like that will never happen. Krause has come out and said openly that he won't let Oak go for nothing. I don't think we would want to deal for Oakley if his salary came with him. There have been some teams that have expressed interest in a trade though... I heard the Bulls were talking with Orlando about Judd Beuchler, Sasser, some junk, and a pick.
Even if the Bulls were to cut Oakley, he would basically get to pick his playoff contender, who would then sign him for the vet minimum (prorated). He has stated that his first pick is L.A., and I'm sure the Knicks are up there too. I'm not sure if he would be comfortable coming to Dallas, where they play a much more uptempo running style than he's accustomed to. Still, it would be nice to have a big veteran rebounder/low post defender for a playoff run. |
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All good points MA, and I agree, he's not our guy if he doesn't clear wavers. I think Dallas would be VERY high on his list however. While we are an uptempo style team, things really slow to a half court game in the playoffs, where he would be an asset in the paint. He has already said 15 miutes is good for him. While LA and NY might be tops, I would NEVER rule out the Cuban factor.
Interesting to see what plays out over the next week for this guy. What do the Mavs do, if anything, for a big man before trade deadline? Any thoughts? BLG
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Unfortunately,I don't see any good available mathces this year for big men. Especially for what we know Mavs are willing to give up. Trafing Finley is not going to bring a difference maker on the front line. Howard's big contract would make it hard to get any takers who are willing to give us what we need.
I would like to see "Dodger" (since that is what Wang apparently wishes to be called) developed more this year at C. I beleive he can cause the kind of mismatches at C that Dirk does at PF. Our primary defense/rebounding will have to come from the SF position this year. Maybe a rotation of Najera/Manning/Newman. I like Griffin coming in for Finley. Buck is questionable due to his injury propensity. Does anyone have any specific suggestions that are realistic for this year? I really want to hear them if you do. Next year there are several interesting free agents, but we may not have the cap room in 2002/2003 to get what we need without trading someone. That is one good reason to try Oakley for this year. He comes off the cap next year, I think. If we were to try and trade for Oakley, what do you all think we would have to include (and Chicago accept) to get Oakley/Arteest? |
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If only there was a guy out there that could come in and block a few shots and grab some boards. You know... the kind of intimidating defensive force that changes the pace of the game when he's on the floor. Someone who's mere presence prevents guard penetration. I'd like a guy with a decent mid range shot, but who woudn't beg for the ball and take away shots from the Mavs big four. It would be even better if he was a young center in his twenties that could grow with the team. A huge bonus would be if we could lock him up into a long term contract for well below market value. Wouldn't it be great if we could get a guy with these characteristics? If we could find that guy, Dallas would be in great shape. We could just start him in front of Shawn Bradley... our other shot-blocking, rebounding, game-pace changing, penetration stopping, decent offensive, non-ball hogging, young, affordable center.
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The more I think about Oakley coming here, the more I like it...We need a tough guy and who better to get inside Shaq's head...he's already done it once this year [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
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I'm not sure how many penetrating guards Bradley actually stops, but a couple of other names that fit your description come to mind: Michael Olowankhandi, and Nazr Muhammed. Now, how you would get them is another matter. Khandi is a RFA next year. |
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call me crazy, but i'd rather have bradley than kandi and mohammed. if he can get back to where he was in last year's playoffs, i'd be VERY happy. he just needs to not worry about offense.
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MadApe and others,
I have 2 words that describe Bradley's situation last season......CONTRACT YEAR. How many chances does one tall, white, 110lb, uncoordinated, non-basketball playin', size 26+ shoe wearin', back talkin', no jumpin', no scorin', over paid guy need? My lil sis has more weight to her than SB. Ok, that was a bit too much, got carried away. Shawn Bradley will never be anything more than he is now...a back up center, with shot blocking ability. I agree with MA about he changes the offense SOME, but as for playing against ANY other center, he's too weak, too thin, too much of a "P" to do really anything. AND to top it all off, his attitude is garbage! Why....because Nellie yelled at him during a game? Welcome to the NBA Shawn, when you don't do what you are paid for, coaches get pissed and you eventually sit. Hell, Cuban was the one yelling at him the majority of the time, telling him to "move you feet". He stands on his heels, gets pushed around and eventually...posterized. Do you think when coming out of a timeout, the opposing team sees Shawn, and they go "Oh no, not Bradley....Coach, what the hell are we going to do?" I think it's more like....."This is my chance at Sport Center!" We need a guy who can move his feet in the paint, grab some boards, and block some shots. ALL the things Bradely is NOT doing consistently. Do I have an answer? Not really. Oak would be a nice gap fill for 15 minutes a game, but Krause can't decide what he's going to do (b/c he's a sloth of an idiot). I would like Kandi here, he fits in pretty good and I think and is only going to get better, but not sure if that can happen. MA, I respect the fact that you defend Bradley on an almost everyday basis, that takes balls, but he's not even playing as good as he did last year. We need help. More help than Bradley’s willing to give. Base Line Guy
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To Make it easier for everyone who wants to trade for a big man, I've listed the C & PF from espn.com that we MIGHT be able to get via trade this year. I've removed the obvious ones not available (Shaq, Duncan, etc.). So, pick out who you want and "Let's Make A Deal".
A Alexander, Victor, Detroit Pistons Amaechi, John, Utah Jazz Andersen, Chris, Denver Nuggets Austin, Isaac, Memphis Grizzlies Allen, Malik, Miami Heat Augmon, Stacey, Charlotte Hornets B Bagaric, Dalibor, Chicago Bulls Battie, Tony, Boston Celtics Blount, Mark, Boston Celtics Booth, Calvin, Seattle SuperSonics Boumtje, Ruben, Portland Trail Blazers Baker, Vin, Seattle SuperSonics Bender, Jonathan, Indiana Pacers Blount, Corie, Philadelphia 76ers Bowdler, Cal, Atlanta Hawks Bradley, Michael, Toronto Raptors Brand, Elton, Los Angeles Clippers Brezec, Primoz, Indiana Pacers Brown, Ernest, Miami Heat Brown, Kedrick, Boston Celtics Brown, Kwame, Washington Wizards Brown, P.J., Charlotte Hornets Bryant, Mark, San Antonio Spurs Bullard, Matt, Charlotte Hornets C Camby, Marcus, New York Knicks Campbell, Elden, Charlotte Hornets Cato, Kelvin, Houston Rockets Clark, Keon, Toronto Raptors Coleman, Derrick, Philadelphia 76ers Collier, Jason, Houston Rockets Collins, Jarron, Utah Jazz Collins, Jason, New Jersey Nets Cunningham, William, Indiana Pacers Curry, Eddy, Chicago Bulls Caffey, Jason, Milwaukee Bucks Cardinal, Brian, Detroit Pistons Chandler, Tyson, Chicago Bulls Croshere, Austin, Indiana Pacers D Dalembert, Samuel, Philadelphia 76ers Dampier, Erick, Golden State Warriors Davis, Antonio, Toronto Raptors Davis, Dale, Portland Trail Blazers DeClercq, Andrew, Orlando Magic Diop, DeSagana, Cleveland Cavaliers Divac, Vlade, Sacramento Kings Doleac, Michael, Cleveland Cavaliers Drobnjak, Predrag, Seattle SuperSonics Dudley, Chris, Portland Trail Blazers E Ellis, LaPhonso, Miami Heat Ewing, Patrick, Orlando Magic Ekezie, Obinna, Los Angeles Clippers F Feick, Jamie, New Jersey Nets Fortson, Danny, Golden State Warriors Foster, Greg, Milwaukee Bucks Foster, Jeff, Indiana Pacers Foyle, Adonal, Golden State Warriors Ferry, Danny, San Antonio Spurs Ford, Alton, Phoenix Suns Fortson, Danny, Golden State Warriors Funderburke, Lawrence, Sacramento Kings G Garrett, Dean, Minnesota Timberwolves Geiger, Matt, Philadelphia 76ers Grant, Paul, New Jersey Nets Garrity, Pat, Orlando Magic Gatling, Chris, Miami Heat Grant, Brian, Miami Heat Grant, Horace, Orlando Magic Gugliotta, Tom, Phoenix Suns H Hunter, Steven, Orlando Magic Hamilton, Zendon, Denver Nuggets Harrington, Al, Indiana Pacers Harrington, Othella, New York Knicks Haston, Kirk, Charlotte Hornets Henderson, Alan, Atlanta Hawks Hill, Tyrone, Cleveland Cavaliers Horry, Robert, Los Angeles Lakers I Ilgauskas, Zydrunas, Cleveland Cavaliers J Jackson, Marc, Golden State Warriors James, Jerome, Seattle SuperSonics Johnson, Ervin, Milwaukee Bucks Jones, Alvin, Philadelphia 76ers Jamison, Antawn, Golden State Warriors Jamison, Harold, Los Angeles Clippers Jones, Jumaine, Cleveland Cavaliers Jones, Popeye, Washington Wizards K Knight, Travis, New York Knicks Kemp, Shawn, Portland Trail Blazers Kukoc, Toni, Atlanta Hawks L LaFrentz, Raef, Denver Nuggets Lauderdale, Priest, Portland Trail Blazers Long, Art, Seattle SuperSonics Laettner, Christian, Washington Wizards Long, Art, Seattle SuperSonics Long, Grant, Memphis Grizzlies Lynch, George, Charlotte Hornets M MacCulloch, Todd, New Jersey Nets Magloire, Jamaal, Charlotte Hornets Marks, Sean, Miami Heat Massenburg, Tony, Memphis Grizzlies McCaskill, Amal, San Antonio Spurs McCoy, Jelani, Los Angeles Lakers Meyer, Loren, Miami Heat Mihm, Chris, Cleveland Cavaliers Miller, Brad, Chicago Bulls Mohammed, Nazr, Atlanta Hawks Montross, Eric, Toronto Raptors Moore, Mikki, Detroit Pistons M Madsen, Mark, Los Angeles Lakers Magloire, Jamaal, Charlotte Hornets Malone, Karl, Utah Jazz Marks, Sean, Miami Heat Martin, Kenyon, New Jersey Nets Mason, Anthony, Milwaukee Bucks Massenburg, Tony, Memphis Grizzlies McCarty, Walter, Boston Celtics McCaskill, Amal, San Antonio Spurs McKey, Derrick, Philadelphia 76ers Medvedenko, Stanislav, Los Angeles Lakers Mihm, Chris, Cleveland Cavaliers Mills, Chris, Golden State Warriors Mitchell, Sam, Minnesota Timberwolves Moiso, Jerome, Charlotte Hornets Mottola, Hanno, Atlanta Hawks Murphy, Troy, Golden State Warriors Murray, Tracy, Toronto Raptors N N'diaye, Mamadou, Toronto Raptors Nesterovic, Radoslav, Minnesota Timberwolves Ndiaye, Makhtar, Cleveland Cavaliers Nesby, Tyrone, Washington Wizards O Oakley, Charles, Chicago Bulls Outlaw, Bo, Phoenix Suns Oyedeji, Olumide, Seattle SuperSonics Olajuwon, Hakeem, Toronto Raptors Olowokandi, Michael, Los Angeles Clippers Ostertag, Greg, Utah Jazz P Parks, Cherokee, San Antonio Spurs Pollard, Scot, Sacramento Kings Pope, Mark, Milwaukee Bucks Potapenko, Vitaly, Boston Celtics Przybilla, Joel, Milwaukee Bucks Padgett, Scott, Utah Jazz Parks, Cherokee, San Antonio Spurs Patterson, Andrae, Minnesota Timberwolves Pollard, Scot, Sacramento Kings Pope, Mark, Milwaukee Bucks Potapenko, Vitaly, Boston Celtics R Radmanovic, Vladimir, Seattle SuperSonics Randolph, Zachary, Portland Trail Blazers Ratliff, Theo, Atlanta Hawks Reid, Don, Orlando Magic Robinson, Clifford, Detroit Pistons Rogers, Carlos, Indiana Pacers Rogers, Rodney, Phoenix Suns Rebraca, Zeljko, Detroit Pistons Robinson, David, San Antonio Spurs Rooks, Sean, Los Angeles Clippers S Spencer, Felton, New York Knicks Stepania, Vladimir, Miami Heat Stewart, Michael, Toronto Raptors Sundov, Bruno, Indiana Pacers Swift, Stromile, Memphis Grizzlies Scalabrine, Brian, New Jersey Nets Skinner, Brian, Cleveland Cavaliers Smith, Jabari, Philadelphia 76ers Smith, Joe, Minnesota Timberwolves Smith, Leon, Atlanta Hawks Strickland, Mark, Atlanta Hawks T Taylor, Maurice, Houston Rockets Thomas, Etan, Washington Wizards Thomas, Kenny, Houston Rockets Thomas, Kurt, New York Knicks Thomas, Tim, Milwaukee Bucks Traylor, Robert, Charlotte Hornets Trent, Gary, Minnesota Timberwolves Tsakalidis, Iakovos, Phoenix Suns V Varda, Ratko, Detroit Pistons Voskuhl, Jake, Phoenix Suns W Wallace, Ben, Detroit Pistons White, Jahidi, Washington Wizards Williams, Aaron, New Jersey Nets Williams, Scott, Denver Nuggets 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Is that list long enough?????? Anyway, we do need an inside presence, but I don't think Khandi or Mohammad is the answer. Ben Wallace I would like, Dale Davis I would like, McDysse I would like but I don't think we'll get either one of those guys.
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<< Do you think when coming out of a timeout, the opposing team sees Shawn, and they go "Oh no, not Bradley....Coach, what the hell are we going to do?" I think it's more like....."This is my chance at Sport Center!" >> IMO, this is my biggest complaint about bradley. His attitude and aggressiveness. as in, poor attitude and no aggressiveness. his opponents are more aggressive than him on a nightly basis. he should be a feared shotblocker with as many shots as he blocks, but no one is afraid of him... well, i mean, he's a good sport and all, but he doesn't have an NBA attitude. he's not aggressive... sure, contract year or whatever, he had that aggressiveness in the playoffs last year. his attitude was what was so great. he had confidence. now, i think he just needs to develop some thicker skin and not have his confidence completely shattered when nellie decides to sit him. if he continues to be aggressive, rather than sit and pout, we could see the shwan of last year's playoffs. man, how many times can i type "aggressive?"
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This is kind of the point I'm trying to make. Look at all the PFs and Cs in the league. Maybe a handful would be help us, but REALISTICALLY, can they be had via a trade. I'm guessing that 98% of the 190 or so on the list are not any better than what we already have, no matter how frustrated we become with their play or defensive deficiencies. Do you want Vin Baker, Issac Austin, Ostertag, etc? Those are the people we would likely have a chance at this year. Do you trade away several future 1st round picks for someone only around for a couple years (ie: Malone) to try and go for it this year?
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I question this "contract year" theory.. if Bradley was so motivated by money, why did he take such a tiny contract? People who may not like or appreciate Bradley must understand the miniscule amount of money he is making now compared to other less talented centers. For instance, this offseaspm Calvin Booth, Eschmeyer, and other inferior centers signed for about the same amount of money. You would expect that he would have been able to fetch much more if his agent would have aggressively combed the market. So that leads me to beleive that money is not his biggest motivator. And has he really slacked off since signing the contract? Remember he went overseas this summer and got in a whole lot of off-season work. When he's in the game, he shows just as much intensity as he always does. Don't you remember the flagrant on Kenyon Martin in Bradley's first minutes of P.T. in months? He's brought plenty of energy to the court when he's had the opportunity. He just hasn't had many opportunities.
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Madape, Im sorry but man you have to see the light at the end of the tunnel man. Bradley sucks. If he didnt suck, Don Nelson would be playing him more man, come on. How can you defend that big 7 foot 6 inch stiff. He is no more than a average player. If he really had the attitude and some thick skin, he would be showing something in his limited minute role that he plays now. He did nothing last night. A flagrant foul means nothing. Don Nelson knows who can play, that is obvious, because look who is on the floor. Im really not trying to make ya mad or anything man, Im just telling you some facts.
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I have to agree somewhat with DallMav. I too am NOT making an attempt to piss you off MA. We have talked many times about Bradley, and for the most part I have been right there with ya, but I have NO MORE patience with a guy who plays inconsistant AT BEST and throws a fit about it. He needs to sit his ass down on the end of the bench without saying ANYTHING, when his number is called.....DO SOMETHING. Anything, but bitch and moan. This is a doghouse HE put himself into and HE is the only person who can get himself out. Having "little whistle" run the show a few weeks ago did help, but come on. If he plays DECENT, he can have minutes. God knows we need the help inside.
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In my opinion, its just become too personal with Nelson. When Donnie took over, Bradley got some p.t. and was pretty productive. When daddy Nelson came back, he went back to the end of th bench. If Shawn gets the minutes, I'm sure he'll be just as good as he was last year. The problem is that he's being frozen out by a coach that is frustrated with him. I don't think anyone can deny the fact that the Mavs are simply a better team when Shawn is playing well. In order to succeed in the playoffs, we need to get him back in the game, and feeling comfortable again. Nelson has stated publicly several times that he wants to get Bradley involved before the playoffs. In fact, Nelson was on the radio today saying that he was definitely going to try to go "big" for most of the game tonight. Shawn should get significant p.t. If it turns out to be Eschmeyer Nelson is talking about, then we know this grudge has gone way past the point it should be...
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I guess Oakley didn't get his release?
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Wouldn't have mattered.
I had wondered earlier why Mavs hadn't moved to pick up The Oak, but then I remembered there were some lingering bad vibes between Charles and Nellie from Nellie's run in NYC. Mavs have committed to taking on the Lakers with more offense not more defense, which is what Oakley would've been useful for. I might've preferred the latter approach, but the only thing to do now is to buckle in and see how this rocket-powered offense works. Nellie only has a little more than 1000 NBA coaching wins more than I do, so maybe he's seen something I haven't. |
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