04-10-2010, 01:41 AM
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That last play by Kidd where he got Dirk the open jumper was a thing of beauty. There are very, very few players who can think that quickly and then react, especially when you're on the road and in the final stages of a big ball game. Just incredible.
One thing about Butler because I think it's being overlooked. He's a really, really good defender. I didn't realize Butler has such quick hands. He does a great job of stripping players. Now that he's being more aggressive on offense we're really seeing the player he is. Very scrappy. I'm happy to have him on this team.
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04-10-2010, 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by twistaeffect2004
That last play by Kidd where he got Dirk the open jumper was a thing of beauty. There are very, very few players who can think that quickly and then react, especially when you're on the road and in the final stages of a big ball game. Just incredible.
One thing about Butler because I think it's being overlooked. He's a really, really good defender. I didn't realize Butler has such quick hands. He does a great job of stripping players. Now that he's being more aggressive on offense we're really seeing the player he is. Very scrappy. I'm happy to have him on this team.
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That play with kidd was honestly a testament to what that guy brings to the floor. Plays like that take anticipation, unselfishness and just savvy for the game. He knew all along he wanted dirk open. And he's so unselfish, he gives the ball up to haywood, creates a misdirection by doing the give and go and bringing aldrigde in(who i might add was ready to spike the ball into the stands), just for him to give it right back to the intended receiver all along. GENIUS. Next time, I hear someone mention this guys age as a knock, I will slap a sumbtch.
EDIT: also, what/who is that on your sig?
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04-10-2010, 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by quietsavant
bringing aldrigde in(who i might add was ready to spike the ball into the stands), just for him to give it right back to the intended receiver all along. GENIUS. Next time, I hear someone mention this guys age as a knock, I will slap a sumbtch.
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Exactly. And Aldridge vice versa.
Not just on that particular play, but also on the pick&3pt pop, where Aldridge made another youthful mistake, in his instinctive fervor to block shots, and normal lack of responsibility near the 3pt line for his position.
It was annoying hearing Kamla talk about Kidd's poor shooting, when he made the 2 most important offensive plays of the night so effortlessly.
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04-10-2010, 08:37 PM
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[quote=quietsavant;1088230[/quote]
Sit down huh? Looks more like get on d'ese ****.
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04-10-2010, 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by twistaeffect2004
That last play by Kidd where he got Dirk the open jumper was a thing of beauty. There are very, very few players who can think that quickly and then react, especially when you're on the road and in the final stages of a big ball game. Just incredible.
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I loved that play, but I will give Kidd credit in a different way: He didn't think to pass the ball to Dirk quickly on the fly. Instead, he knew what he was going to do all along, from the very moment he passed the ball to Haywood. I replayed that about 4-5 times after it happened when there was a time out.
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04-10-2010, 01:42 AM
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uh, i fell asleep.
Damnit horse
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04-10-2010, 01:46 AM
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Yall crazy if you think Dirk/Kidd can rest tommorow. The 2 seed is very important imho.
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04-10-2010, 01:46 AM
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04-10-2010, 03:15 AM
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I was jumping and celebrating before Dirk even caught the ball. That was beautiful.
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04-10-2010, 03:54 AM
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Roudy play tonight, loved it! The Mavs have toughened up.
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04-10-2010, 07:38 AM
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great win! nice job dirk!
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04-10-2010, 08:06 AM
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Very, very hard for me to fathom Roddy not getting some burn during this game. Marion was out and JJB was awful. How you don't find a few minutes to see what Roddy was give you is beyond me.
Ultimately it didn't matter because we won, but keeping Roddy nailed to the bench when you're short handed and struggling offensively is completely nonsensical.
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04-10-2010, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by jthig32
Very, very hard for me to fathom Roddy not getting some burn during this game. Marion was out and JJB was awful. How you don't find a few minutes to see what Roddy was give you is beyond me.
Ultimately it didn't matter because we won, but keeping Roddy nailed to the bench when you're short handed and struggling offensively is completely nonsensical.
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Agreed. It seems like Carlisle's trying to make a point or something, but I have absolutely no idea what that point is. Beaubois has to move mountains to get into the rotation and then as soon as he plays bad for part of one game, he's moved right back to the bench. He's just being held to a ridiculous standard. The idea that Barea could be better even as a backup PG is pretty laughable, but when they had him playing in that 3 guard lineup with Kidd and Terry, I wanted to throw something at the TV. In what universe is Barea possibly a better choice as a 2-guard than Roddy? It's just insane. I actually registered at this forum just because I was so angry about the lack of PT he got tonight, and I was looking for another forum to vent on.
I mean, don't get me wrong, Dirk played like God, it was a great gritty win, and I'm glad they got it, but I don't have much hope for a deep playoff run if Barea and/or Stevenson are getting serious minutes. Hell, if they're getting any minutes.
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04-10-2010, 09:25 AM
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Agreed. It seems like Carlisle's trying to make a point or something, but I have absolutely no idea what that point is. Beaubois has to move mountains to get into the rotation and then as soon as he plays bad for part of one game, he's moved right back to the bench. He's just being held to a ridiculous standard. The idea that Barea could be better even as a backup PG is pretty laughable, but when they had him playing in that 3 guard lineup with Kidd and Terry, I wanted to throw something at the TV. In what universe is Barea possibly a better choice as a 2-guard than Roddy? It's just insane. I actually registered at this forum just because I was so angry about the lack of PT he got tonight, and I was looking for another forum to vent on.
I mean, don't get me wrong, Dirk played like God, it was a great gritty win, and I'm glad they got it, but I don't have much hope for a deep playoff run if Barea and/or Stevenson are getting serious minutes. Hell, if they're getting any minutes.
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Welcome aboard Iggymcfly! I agree with you 100%...I'm exhausted and frustrated trying to understand Coach's decisions too, so I surfed some old posts from the Detroit Pistons fans in 2003 and this is what I found. Maybe this can explain Rick Carlisle and his philosophy.
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...tons-fans.html
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04-10-2010, 08:48 AM
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Can someone explain the JJB/Kidd lineup to me because im mystified.
Why do you have your point/backup point on the floor at the same time, neither of which are the worlds greatest scorers?
Doesn't it make more sense to use JJB longer to give Kidd some rest, and if you want a 2 guard lineup use Roddy exclusively at the 2?
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04-10-2010, 09:19 AM
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Can someone explain the JJB/Kidd lineup to me because im mystified.
Why do you have your point/backup point on the floor at the same time, neither of which are the worlds greatest scorers?
Doesn't it make more sense to use JJB longer to give Kidd some rest, and if you want a 2 guard lineup use Roddy exclusively at the 2?
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Southwick, sorry I can't explain it; I'm ~~mystified~~ too. This makes me nervous going into the playoffs with this kind of lineup.
BUT perhaps some of the Mavs fans who supports RC's decisions can explain why JJB is obviously the better and more consistent player to have on the floor playing the 2 guard with Player/Coach JKidd. I think RC should send Roddy to the D-League now and not even suit him up for the playoffs. He's not contributing anyway, right?
I'm glad we won also, but sometimes it's HOW you WIN or LOSE....
BTW, good post!
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04-10-2010, 09:48 AM
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enough whining about Roddy..
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04-10-2010, 10:29 AM
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enough whining about Roddy..
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Hey I'm right there with you for the majority of the season. And if Marion's healthy I don't have a huge issue with Roddy not playing. And I'm a big time Carlisle supporter.
But playing JJB at SG instead of Roddy is stupid. Flat out indefensible.
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04-10-2010, 06:15 PM
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Hey I'm right there with you for the majority of the season. And if Marion's healthy I don't have a huge issue with Roddy not playing. And I'm a big time Carlisle supporter.
But playing JJB at SG instead of Roddy is stupid. Flat out indefensible.
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It's Carlisle's MO...I mentioned it several weeks ago he was interviewed on ESPN and he values experience at a premium rate. So for now, if it's a discussion of those two guys, 9 times out of 10, he'll pick JJ.
I almost felt like Roddy was a fit to start the past two games since Marion was hurt but Stevenson got the burn. He did pretty good with his defense in the first game so he got the 2nd chance and he did well again.
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04-10-2010, 06:24 PM
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I missed this game, I hate my life.
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04-10-2010, 09:56 AM
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Whine all you want Mavs Fans ---you have to ignore some Mavs fans. They mean well though....some people want to police the thread.
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04-10-2010, 10:38 AM
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I don't find it that hard to defend.
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04-10-2010, 11:54 AM
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I don't find it that hard to defend.
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Ok Murph.
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04-10-2010, 08:12 PM
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Ok Murph.
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I wish that you should tell me what I should think. That would be nice.
Just a tip for those who are just hanging out and seeing what's what...I bet Roddy goes off tonight.
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04-10-2010, 12:24 PM
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I don't find it that hard to defend.
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Then f-ing do it! People here are requesting that someone defend it. I really didn't even notice as much "whining" as I did general puzzlement as to why Roddy isn't getting any burn at the 2 guard. Stop being a douche and either participate in the discussion or shut up.
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04-10-2010, 12:54 PM
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Then f-ing do it! People here are requesting that someone defend it. I really didn't even notice as much "whining" as I did general puzzlement as to why Roddy isn't getting any burn at the 2 guard. Stop being a douche and either participate in the discussion or shut up.
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I think he defends it here. Or maybe not.
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04-10-2010, 01:03 PM
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I think he defends it here. Or maybe not.
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You are soooo wrong Ribosoma; you made me cough up my wine....woohooooooooo, hahahahhahahaha-----thanks for the belly laugh...hehehehehe.
Life is so wonderful when you can laugh....
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04-10-2010, 11:05 AM
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I agree that Roddy should get 2 guard minutes over Barea.
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04-10-2010, 01:14 PM
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The play of the game for me was Butlers fade away with three minutes left. We just gave him the ball and said "here make something happen." It was really a "robin" play, and it will be huge for us if we can rely on him in the crunch time for big buckets like that.
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04-10-2010, 01:48 PM
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The play of the game for me was Butlers fade away with three minutes left. We just gave him the ball and said "here make something happen." It was really a "robin" play, and it will be huge for us if we can rely on him in the crunch time for big buckets like that.
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Mine too, right in Roy's face. Roy couldn't have defended that any better, either. Then Dirk hit that three not long after...mmmm.
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04-10-2010, 06:49 PM
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Then do it?.. Trust. Barea had played some solid ball as of late. The Mavs were playing solid defense in the game. Carlisle didn't want to risk ruining a combination that was at least working well enough on one side of the court.
So, why's it difficult to understand that? I'm not saying that he definitively made the correct decision at all..
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04-11-2010, 05:37 AM
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By the way.
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04-11-2010, 08:02 AM
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Trust, me, I WANT Roddy to get more PT. But I don't find it difficult to follow RC's logic. Just because I disagree does not mean that I do not believe his thoughts have at least a decent amount of logic. That is all.
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