Official Lebron, Wade, Bosh FA watch thread. - Page 12 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Underdog · 07-09-2010, 12:29 PM

AngieO41 · 07-09-2010, 12:45 PM

It wouldn't have been so bad if he hadn't made it out to be a big event on ESPN. I personally don't understand why he had to have "The Decision" on tv. I'm from Ohio and Ohioans LOVE their sports and I do mean LOVE. What he did to the city of Cleveland was a huge slap in the face. He could have quietly said, look, I think I have a better opportunity in Miami so I want to give that a shot. If he did that, people wouldn't be burning his jerseys and the owner of the Cavs wouldn't be having a serious melt down right now.
With that said, I'm really not sure how the egos of a Diva and a King will mesh together, that will be interesting.

Oh and Lebron is an idiot.

FINtastic · 07-09-2010, 12:50 PM

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Can't play offense without a point guard, can't play defense without a center...

If Shaq is your best STARTING option, then you're in trouble...

They can get away with not having a point guard given that they probably have the best playmaking shooting guard and best playmaking small forward. But they do need to find something serviceable at center. I can see that being their downfall if they have to force Chris Bosh into major minutes at the 5.

Honestly, I think they would be thrilled with Shaq. The problem is that I can't really see him going there. Like I said earlier, I think Shaq is playing for the money this year so I don't see him settling for the peanuts that the Heat can afford to pay out.

Underdog · 07-09-2010, 12:55 PM

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They can get away with not having a point guard given that they probably have the best playmaking shooting guard and best playmaking small forward. But they do need to find something serviceable at center. I can see that being their downfall if they have to force Chris Bosh into major minutes at the 5.

Honestly, I think they would be thrilled with Shaq. The problem is that I can't really see him going there. Like I said earlier, I think Shaq is playing for the money this year so I don't see him settling for the peanuts that the Heat can afford to pay out.

That really leaves Miami in the lurch for a big man then...

How many serviceable free agent centers are available?

Underdog · 07-09-2010, 01:03 PM

wrong thread

FINtastic · 07-09-2010, 01:12 PM

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That really leaves Miami in the lurch for a big man then...

How many serviceable free agent centers are available?

I think they are going to try to resign Joel Anthony (who is a spare). The two names I came across last night were Big Z and Brendan Haywood's best friend, Etan Thomas.

In other words, pickings are slim.

Underdog · 07-09-2010, 04:46 PM

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"Unless they got three balls, you still guard them the same. They'll figure it out I'm sure. Somebody's going to end up with seven shots. Are they going to be OK with that? Somebody's got to be Robin. Are they OK with that? Those are the things they have to work out. I was surprised that he went to Miami. I thought he was, I guess, more of a competitor." - Otis Smith

I don't think this is the bandwagon that LeBron had anticipated...

sike · 07-09-2010, 04:49 PM

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I don't think this is the bandwagon that LeBron had anticipated...

that could easily be sour grapes...but I still love it.

Underdog · 07-09-2010, 04:53 PM

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that could easily be sour grapes...but I still love it.

It's easy to have sour grapes when you see others around the league cheating...

Everybody seems to be forgetting that this was all technically collusion - that's why nobody's heard a peep from David Stern after the most monumental signing in his tenure as league president...

sike · 07-09-2010, 05:08 PM

Is Miller official to Miami?

Underdog · 07-09-2010, 08:54 PM

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They can get away with not having a point guard given that they probably have the best playmaking shooting guard and best playmaking small forward. But they do need to find something serviceable at center. I can see that.

Derek Fisher, Riley to meet in Miami

Underdog · 07-09-2010, 09:22 PM

Bulls, Korver reach deal

jthig32 · 07-09-2010, 11:04 PM

Nevermind I'm an idiot.

Carry on.

grndmstr_c · 07-09-2010, 11:09 PM

Bulls also trying to get Redick. Link on realgm that they've extended him an offer sheet that's worth 19 million over three years (no indication that Redick has signed it).

tcat075 · 07-09-2010, 11:42 PM

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Bulls also trying to get Redick. Link on realgm that they've extended him an offer sheet that's worth 19 million over three years (no indication that Redick has signed it).

Redick and Korver? Maybe Deng is available, prior to what I thought.

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I think they are going to try to resign Joel Anthony (who is a spare). The two names I came across last night were Big Z and Brendan Haywood's best friend, Etan Thomas.

In other words, pickings are slim.

I could see Big Z going to Miami since LeBron went. Heck, he might even sign for the minimum if he really just wanted to win. I don't know what he's like, but he seems like he might be that type of guy.

aquaadverse · 07-10-2010, 12:17 AM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...html?eref=sihp

jthig32 · 07-10-2010, 12:22 AM

DLord crunched the numbers and says the Heat have enough cap room to sign Miller AND Haslem.

I'm now slightly less confident on my "not competing this season" prediction.

LonghornDub · 07-10-2010, 12:25 AM

Man it's pretty insane that the Heat can sign those 3 guys and still have room to sign Miller and Haslem. Sheesh.

Big Boy Laroux · 07-10-2010, 12:38 AM

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Everybody seems to be forgetting that this was all technically collusion - that's why nobody's heard a peep from David Stern after the most monumental signing in his tenure as league president...

Amen! How is this NOT collusion? Wade was playing GM the whole time... I guess cause he's not in the front office. HUGE loophole.

I have always at least kind of liked LeBron. But now, it's definitely moved to dislike. This show (even with what it did in the name of charity) was ridiculous. Not as ridiculous as Dan Gilbert's letter, but ridiculous.

Lebron seriously misjudged the reaction - i'm not so sure he has good people advising him.

aquaadverse · 07-10-2010, 01:07 AM

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DLord crunched the numbers and says the Heat have enough cap room to sign Miller AND Haslem.

I'm now slightly less confident on my "not competing this season" prediction.

http://nbaprimetime.com/lebron-wade-...ami-heat/2636/

They took roughly 15 million less each. The first year salaries are $14.5 for Bosh and James and $14.2 for Wade.

That's $43 Million for all three this year leaving $15 million for spares.

jthig32 · 07-10-2010, 01:12 AM

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http://nbaprimetime.com/lebron-wade-...ami-heat/2636/

They took roughly 15 million less each. The first year salaries are $14.5 for Bosh and James and $14.2 for Wade.

That's $43 Million for all three this year leaving $15 million for spares.

Nah they don't have that much to spend. They have Chalmers, they owe James Jones some cash, they have a couple other contracts/salary holds I think.

DLord says they have a little over 8 mil to spend this year.

aquaadverse · 07-10-2010, 02:05 AM

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Nah they don't have that much to spend. They have Chalmers, they owe James Jones some cash, they have a couple other contracts/salary holds I think.

DLord says they have a little over 8 mil to spend this year.

I'm not a cap expert by any means, so that's probably more accurate. The Jones buyout is counting $1.5 against the cap this year and Chalmers is $854,000.

LonghornDub · 07-10-2010, 12:47 PM

Wade-James-Bosh-Haslem-Miller-Chalmers is a good enough top 6 to win a title, regardless of the rest of the roster. And they might get Fisher anyway.

Underdog · 07-10-2010, 02:30 PM

Has this been posted?

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Inside Mavs' pitch to LeBron

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In a blog post Thursday, Mark Cuban closed a lengthy screed urging LeBron James to re-sign with Cleveland by describing the stay-at-home option as the only sensible option “when you make the mistake of not coming to the Mavericks.”

In the wake of LeBron’s “mistake,” ESPNDallas.com has learned some of the nuances of the Mavericks' stealth approach to recruiting James.

Sources close to the situation say that the Mavs did maintain contact with members of LeBron’s inner circle – and occasionally with LeBron himself – during the recruiting process.

Team USA alumnus Jason Kidd obviously has a longstanding relationship with LeBron and business manager Maverick Carter, Cuban has a good relationship with both … and I’m told Dirk Nowitzki and LeBron had an e-mail dialogue about the possibility of James coming to Dallas.

The Mavericks, according to sources, at one point believed that they would be the seventh team to be granted a face-to-face meeting with James, after his two-a-day sitdowns with the Nets, Knicks, Heat, Clippers, Cavs and Bulls.

But they quickly concluded – with LeBron telling all teams that he only wanted to meet with owners, executives and coaches as opposed to players – that the hoopla attached to Cuban, president of basketball operations Donnie Nelson and coach Rick Carlisle flying in to Cleveland carried minimal benefit since it might have aggravated the Cavs.

As we heard Friday afternoon from Cavs general manager Chris Grant during a press conference shown on ESPNews, Cleveland suddenly won’t rule out a sign-and-trade now that it knows LeBron is gone … after all those vows that it would never consider such a thing.

Dallas, however, didn't have the salary-cap space to sign James outright like Miami did. The Mavericks would need more cooperation from Cleveland than the Heat, so Mavs officials were convinced that a highly publicized meeting could only hurt their sign-and-trade chances in a pursuit that they acknowledged from the start was a long shot.

Nothing has changed since November, when we first suggested ( that Dallas – with the presence of Nowitzki, Kidd, Cuban, LeBron’s beloved Cowboys and the tantalizing prospect of maybe even moving some regular-season games at Cowboys Stadium if James were to come to Big D – was a outsider worth keeping track of in the LeBron Sweepstakes.

One source close to the situation told ESPNDallas.com that the Mavericks’ pitch to LeBron was a forceful reminder that teams – especially in recent history – have required a “tipping-point transaction” to win a championship as opposed to stripping a roster bare and building a team through “pure free agency.” The Mavs urged LeBron to equate joining Nowitzki and an established roster in a sign-and-trade with the impact Pau Gasol’s arrival had on the Los Angeles Lakers or Boston’s trades that landed Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen alongside Paul Pierce.

The Mavericks, though, knew deep down that they wouldn’t be able to compete with the arrangement lined up by Miami, where the Heat could flank James with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh.

It’s clear that the concept of hooking up in Miami with Wade and Bosh is something James has been thinking about for some time. Factor in James’ apparent pessimism about the Cavaliers co-operating on a sign-and-trade and it’s no mystery why the lobbying didn’t get the Mavs very far.

41mvp · 07-10-2010, 05:40 PM

It's very good Lebron D-Wade and Bosh goes to MAIAMI.We hate Heat.In 2010-2011 seson Dallas come to Nba finals with Maiami.This will be revenge for 2006 final.Dallas beat Maiami and all will be well!!

fluid.forty.one · 07-10-2010, 05:52 PM

Fisher-Wade-LeBron-Bosh-Shaq with Miller and Haslem coming off the bench? Easily the best team in the East.

41mvp · 07-10-2010, 05:53 PM

you are wrong

fluid.forty.one · 07-10-2010, 05:55 PM

lol

fluid.forty.one · 07-10-2010, 05:55 PM

anyhoo...

"In addition, Fathead.com, an online retailer owned by Cavs owner Dan Gilbert dropped the price of its LeBron Fathead wall decals from $99.99 to $17.41, which happens to be the same year Revolutionary War traitor Benedict Arnold was born."

hahaha

Underdog · 07-10-2010, 05:59 PM

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Fisher-Wade-LeBron-Bosh-Shaq with Miller and Haslem coming off the bench? Easily the best team in the East.

Have they actually signed anyone other than Miller?

Plus, Kobe's saying the Lakers will do whatever it takes to retain Fisher...

fluid.forty.one · 07-10-2010, 06:00 PM

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Have they actually signed anyone other than Miller?

Plus, Kobe's saying the Lakers will do whatever it takes to retain Fisher...

I don't think they have... the post was more of a hypothetical. I guess what is scary is that they DO have options.

41mvp · 07-10-2010, 06:01 PM

In the east are Orlando Boston and MILWAUKEE BUCKS-is the young team you think that Lebron is the best and over.Take it easy man they must play.

Underdog · 07-10-2010, 06:04 PM

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In the east are Orlando Boston and MILWAUKEE BUCKS-is the young team you think that Lebron is the best and over.Take it easy man they must play.

Yeah, I'm sure LeBron, Wade and Bosh are absolutely shaking in their boots at the thought of Milwaukee...

fluid.forty.one · 07-10-2010, 06:06 PM

I'm fairly certain that Heat are going to be better than the Bucks.

The Cavs were the #1 seed last year with LeBron on a really crappy team. If they fill it in with the caliber of players like I mentioned, this team is 2-3 times as good as what he was on last year.

I don't see how someone could argue that LeBron could go from what he had, to what he has now and win less (you're suggesting the 4th seed or lower compared to his 1st seed last year).

grndmstr_c · 07-10-2010, 06:08 PM

Not that I think Fisher would mind playing for Miami, but I suspect that he (and his agent) are mainly just trying to get a better offer from LA than what they were originally presented with.

41mvp · 07-10-2010, 06:08 PM

you see how Maiami play???

fluid.forty.one · 07-10-2010, 06:09 PM

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you see how Maiami play???

It's Miami, not Maiami.

Underdog · 07-10-2010, 06:09 PM

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I don't think they have... the post was more of a hypothetical. I guess what is scary is that they DO have options.

DO they have options?

What happens if Fisher re-signs with the Lakers? How much of a drop-off is it between him and the next available FA PG?

What if Shaq makes a cash grab elsewhere? He isn't even a starter at this point in his career and he's BY FAR the best center available... Who do they settle for if they can't get him?

Their options are extremely limited if they're gunning for a ring...

41mvp · 07-10-2010, 06:11 PM

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It's Miami, not Maiami.

Sorry boss

fluid.forty.one · 07-10-2010, 06:13 PM

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DO they have options?

What happens if Fisher re-signs with the Lakers? How much of a drop-off is it between him and the next available FA PG?

What if Shaq makes a cash grab elsewhere? He isn't even a starter at this point in his career and he's BY FAR the best center available... Who do they settle for if they can't get him?

Their options are extremely limited if they're gunning for a ring...

There's a difference between options and lots of options. It sounds like they are going to get Miller and Haslem which is a big start. That leaves the PG and C positions. My point was that they could hypothetically get Fisher and Shaq. That doesn't mean they have lots of options after that, but it's scary that they could put a real team together this year if all the chips fall into place. I didn't think it was even possible.