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Underdog · 01-24-2019, 04:07 PM

@dalton_trigg: I just realized that Al-Farouq Aminu is an unrestricted FA this summer... idk about y’all, but I’d be all for an Aminu/#Mavs reunion.

EricaLubarsky · 01-24-2019, 04:19 PM

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I'm curious why noone is mentioning Kyrie. He's a UFA and appears to not like his current situation in Boston. Yes he had issues with Lebron in Cleveland but apparently has grown up quite a bit and quickly as he called to apologize to Lebron. He's 27 and will be in his prime for at least the next three years. He looks like he has fully recovered from his injury.

Thoughts? Does a Luka, Kyrie, and DJ team entice any free agents to come?

Kyrie: "I plan on re-signing [with Celtics]"

http://www.nba.com/article/2018/10/0...e-sign-celtics

EricaLubarsky · 01-24-2019, 04:30 PM

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@dalton_trigg: I just realized that Al-Farouq Aminu is an unrestricted FA this summer... idk about y’all, but I’d be all for an Aminu/#Mavs reunion.

Isn't he basically Barnes?

SMC0007 · 01-24-2019, 05:13 PM

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Isn't he basically Barnes?

He is a better rebounding, non scoring Barnes...so not really.

I wouldn't be all that excited about getting him back. I guess if he is cheap then sure, but he's pretty meh.

MavzMan · 01-24-2019, 05:26 PM

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Kyrie: "I plan on re-signing [with Celtics]"

http://www.nba.com/article/2018/10/0...e-sign-celtics

They always say that, specially in the middle of a season. There is no way he takes his player option of $21.3 million. He will get a max offer from someone which is $32.7. If Boston gives him that, they will be at $144 million team salary.

spreedom · 01-24-2019, 07:55 PM

Tobias Harris pls

saclare · 01-25-2019, 11:48 AM

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Isn't he basically Barnes?

Better rebounding, probably better D. The biggest difference would be in cost. I'd also argue fit as, while I haven't seen him play, I'd bet AFA isn't near as big an offensive black hole as Barnes can be at times.

Underdog · 01-25-2019, 12:28 PM

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Better rebounding, probably better D. The biggest difference would be in cost. I'd also argue fit as, while I haven't seen him play, I'd bet AFA isn't near as big an offensive black hole as Barnes can be at times.

Barnes: 16.3 FGA (per 36)
Aminu: 9.0 FGA (per 36)

They're totally different players... Barnes is score-first/score-only, whereas Aminu is more of a glue guy along the lines of what Rick has been trying to mold DFS into (Matrix-lite). And, yes, he's much better at rebounding and defense than Barnes for a fraction of the price -- he's coming off of a $7.5m per year contract, and should stay in about that ballpark.

The idea with Aminu would be to find an affordable replacement for Barnes if he opts out or gets traded this summer. I'm not really interested in pairing them up, as I think both of them are more of SFs than PFs... And although Barnes/Aminu would be a better defensive/rebounding fit at the 3/4 than Wes/Barnes, the 3P% and spacing would be a mess... But a guy like AFA works really well if, say, we traded Barnes/DSJ for Conley or somehow landed Kemba this summer (or any scenario that moves Barnes' salary/scoring to the backcourt). I guess Aminu only makes sense for us under the right set of circumstances.

MavzMan · 01-25-2019, 02:25 PM

I'm not sure that AFA would leave Portland given the option as they sitting at #4 in a very tough west, so they are a really good team and starting to put things together. However, they already have $125 million guaranteed next year, so the salary cap is definitely an issue to think about. Would mid-level exception be enough for him to stay there over say $8-9 million from Dallas? I think he has good memories here at least.

AO41 · 01-26-2019, 09:20 PM

Cousins has looked good so far since coming back. Has played well and under control.

Me.B · 01-28-2019, 01:41 AM

What about Jimmy Butler? What kind of fit would he be next to Luka?

j0Shi · 01-28-2019, 02:39 AM

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What about Jimmy Butler? What kind of fit would he be next to Luka?

Our crybaby spot is already taken by DSJ. Butler without the ball in his hands is just a maniac that will eventually explode. Good luck playing him alongside Luka...

dirt_dobber · 01-28-2019, 07:06 AM

I think there is ZERO chance that Barnes opts out of his $25m he is due next season.
and I doubt anyone would offer him even 75% of that.
Only chance he might opt out would be that he doesn't want to be in Luka's shadow.
best way to rid ourselves of his contract would be if he was involved as a part of a trade package.

Underdog · 01-28-2019, 03:23 PM

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I think there is ZERO chance that Barnes opts out of his $25m he is due next season.
and I doubt anyone would offer him even 75% of that.
Only chance he might opt out would be that he doesn't want to be in Luka's shadow.
best way to rid ourselves of his contract would be if he was involved as a part of a trade package.

I originally put this in a GDT, but here's my opinion on Barnes opting out of his contract:

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Opting out actually makes a lot of sense for HB this summer. Sure, he's not going to get another payday as big as the one he's coming off of, but he's healthy and still putting up points, so he should be able to secure at least 4/60. Sure, he'd be sacrificing $10m next year, but he'd be set for the next 4... Plus, if he's unhappy here, it would allow him to choose his next destination -- if he opts in, there's a good chance we trade his expiring contract, and the teams who make those trades tend not to be the best destinations. Opting out this summer allows him to control his own destiny while he's in the best position to do so -- he'd get a fresh start on a new team with a new contract so he can focus on the game and not the business side of things. Barnes seems like a dude who would prefer that... At this point, opting out makes more sense than opting in.

dirt_dobber · 01-29-2019, 08:05 AM

great take UD - and I think your senario is most likely what will happen.

Dtownsfinest · 01-29-2019, 09:12 AM

I just don’t see how a player of Barnes caliber opts out of a 25 million dollar deal.

EricaLubarsky · 01-29-2019, 09:45 AM

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I just don’t see how a player of Barnes caliber opts out of a 25 million dollar deal.

Why opt out of a guaranteed year to go to a team for 4/40 when he can probably still get 10 a year next year?

His value isn't going to drop that much over the next season.

sefant77 · 01-29-2019, 09:51 AM

Because its a longterm decision and not just based on how much he would earn next season.

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'16-'17
79 79 35.5 7.6-16.2 .468 1.0-2.8 .351 3.1-3.6 .861 1.2 3.8 5.0 1.5 0.2 0.8 1.6 1.3 19.2
'17-'18
77 77 34.2 7.0-15.7 .445 1.5-4.3 .357 3.4-4.1 .827 1.0 5.1 6.1 2.0 0.2 0.6 1.2 1.5 18.9
'18-'19
45 45 32.3 5.8-14.4 .404 2.5-6.4 .395 3.5-4.2 .830 0.7 3.5 4.2 1.2 0.2 0.7 1.7 1.3 17.6

Noticing anything? Barnes numbers declining each year, his shots, touches, usages etc. It changed dramatically this year with Luka, where in crunchtime its the Luka show or Barnes screws it up badly.

Imagine we replace DJ and Wes with Vuce/Tobias Harris next season. Add a even more dominant Luka. An improved DSJ or whoever we traded him for. Then Harrison is on the way to be again a 12-14PPG 4th or 5th option in his contract year. And maybe his 3p shooting drops back to 35%. And then good luck with getting a big payday at age 28 in 2020 after such a season and four years of a constant decline in numbers.

So its probably smarter to try to sell teams on his 18PPG / 40% from downtown this season to get another four year contract. Could be in the end mean more money than opting in his 25m. Being again a FA at age 31 instead of 32 looks also better on paper.

Worst case if no team bites this summer, he signs a one year deal as tank commander on a shitty team that has to reach the salary floor anyway.

Barnes should be afraid of his role/usage rate in his contract year next season, thats the important factor. Not the 25m or that a new contract would start below that number. Ah and good chances he is butthurt anyway. He came as the new face of the franchise and failed completly. And everyone knows he failed. Good chances he wanna start somewhere else instead of being a roleplayer for Luka.

sefant77 · 01-29-2019, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

His value isn't going to drop that much over the next season.

If we dont strike out badly in the FA, his numbers and value is going to drop badly next season.

MavzMan · 01-29-2019, 10:01 AM

I think the money would have to be a lot closer to his next years $25 million than $12.5 (4/$50). I agree that he's more of a 'control my own destiny' type of guy but remember, it's at most one season playing somewhere else and more than likely half a season as any trade would probably happen close to the TDL. Basically, for him to opt out, a team would still have to overpay for him and it would have to be a city that he would like to play in.

So much as I would like to speed up the process and drop HB and Wes, I think we are still looking at Wes, Dirk, and JJB this year ($27 total) and then HB and DP next year ($35) which is still very much on track for a Luka rebuild. If we just exercise control and not get impatient, the Mavs are in a really, really good place when it comes to salary.

Murphy3 · 01-29-2019, 11:35 AM

The good thing about this year's Mavs team is that they should be learning that Barnes definitively isn't an answer at this price...

mac222b · 01-29-2019, 11:43 AM

I could see Barnes opting out and getting 4yrs-60m from some team smaller market that struck out in FA like Sac. Not sure he'll get much more than that.

Would be amazing if we could flip him for ANY half way decent asset. Even a future top 12 protected first, or Justin Jackson and a 2nd from Sacramento.

EricaLubarsky · 01-29-2019, 11:48 AM

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I could see Barnes opting out and getting 4yrs-60m from some team smaller market that struck out in FA like Sac. Not sure he'll get much more than that.

Would be amazing if we could flip him for ANY half way decent asset. Even a future top 12 protected first, or Justin Jackson and a 2nd from Sacramento.

The best thing we can do for our chances of Barnes opting out is to make him look good. Get his threes falling. Get him a lot of looks. Get his eFG% up and showcase his ability to drive.

Increase his odds of getting a good offer. Otherwise he's going to opt into 25 mill next year and take 22% of our cap with him.

Underdog · 01-29-2019, 12:22 PM

You guys really think Barnes is gonna be making Dwight Powell money on his next contract? Remember, the cap has gone up since he signed with us. I don’t see $15m per year as unrealistic for him at all — that’s the same ballpark as guys like Ian Mahinmi, Trevor Ariza, and JR Smith... I know Barnes hasn’t lived up to his $25m per year, but it’s not like his game completely fell off a cliff. Dude led the team in scoring the last couple seasons, no reason he can’t put up almost 20 PPG again in the right situation.

Murphy3 · 01-29-2019, 12:59 PM

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You guys really think Barnes is gonna be making Dwight Powell money on his next contract? Remember, the cap has gone up since he signed with us. I don’t see $15m per year as unrealistic for him at all — that’s the same ballpark as guys like Ian Mahinmi, Trevor Ariza, and JR Smith... I know Barnes hasn’t lived up to his $25m per year, but it’s not like his game completely fell off a cliff. Dude led the team in scoring the last couple seasons, no reason he can’t put up almost 20 PPG again in the right situation.

He absolutely can.. He's definitely a good player..but he probably needs to be your #3 option. If he's getting the ball repeatedly down the stretch in tight games, you're probably going to be disappointed.

MavzMan · 01-29-2019, 02:00 PM

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You guys really think Barnes is gonna be making Dwight Powell money on his next contract? Remember, the cap has gone up since he signed with us. I don’t see $15m per year as unrealistic for him at all — that’s the same ballpark as guys like Ian Mahinmi, Trevor Ariza, and JR Smith... I know Barnes hasn’t lived up to his $25m per year, but it’s not like his game completely fell off a cliff. Dude led the team in scoring the last couple seasons, no reason he can’t put up almost 20 PPG again in the right situation.

He was the leading scorer of a team looking for a high lottery pick. Every single team in the league has at least one player than score in the 18-20ppg range just because the regular season games need to be reasonably close. It doesn't mean that he's a 18-20 ppg player on a top 4 WC team.

Take Devin Booker for example. He's hitting his big payday next year and will be making $27, 29, 31, and 33 million. He gets a lot of points but he isn't going to get Phoenix in the playoffs.

But and this is a big but, every team has to get to a team salary minimum, which means someone or several people are going to be overpaid on a team that doesn't have legit stars let alone super stars.

sefant77 · 01-29-2019, 02:27 PM

Barnes should be a first guy off the bench...going in if you need iso scoring in your 2nd unit. Because he is such an incredible ball stopper he wont work as a 3rd or 4th guy either without hurting your starting-5 production

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-29-2019, 02:32 PM

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He absolutely can.. He's definitely a good player..but he probably needs to be your #3 option. If he's getting the ball repeatedly down the stretch in tight games, you're probably going to be disappointed.

Hasn't he been our third option though with the Smith chain taken off? I'm not sure where the HB optimism is, but he has been simply awful lately.

Underdog · 01-29-2019, 02:37 PM

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Hasn't he been our third option though with the Smith chain taken off? I'm not sure where the HB optimism is, but he has been simply awful lately.

Barnes is a bad fit, not a bad player -- his ISO game is just the worst for a Luka-centric team.

SMC0007 · 01-29-2019, 03:01 PM

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Barnes is a bad fit, not a bad player -- his ISO game is just the worst for a Luka-centric team.

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Barnes should be a first guy off the bench...going in if you need iso scoring in your 2nd unit. Because he is such an incredible ball stopper he wont work as a 3rd or 4th guy either without hurting your starting-5 production

These.

SMC0007 · 01-29-2019, 03:03 PM

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Hasn't he been our third option though with the Smith chain taken off? I'm not sure where the HB optimism is, but he has been simply awful lately.

He has basically been 3rd option until it's time for him to turn the ball over late in the game or launch a 3 with plenty of time in the shot clock. So maybe he needs a reminder halfway thru the 4th quarter that he is in fact 3rd option.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-29-2019, 03:15 PM

I'm not sure HB is still a decent player anymore. He is basically a poor man's Melo, except that Melo was at least an elite scorer in his prime. And even Melo is a bad fit on basically every team.

A guy that won't pass the ball the open players isn't a good fit on any team. You'd think he would have figured that out by now.

SMC0007 · 01-29-2019, 03:33 PM

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I'm not sure HB is still a decent player anymore. He is basically a poor man's Melo, except that Melo was at least an elite scorer in his prime. And even Melo is a bad fit on basically every team.

A guy that won't pass the ball the open players isn't a good fit on any team. You'd think he would have figured that out by now.

He's considerably better than Melo. He may be melo-ish 3 years ago tho.

EricaLubarsky · 01-29-2019, 03:33 PM

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I'm not sure HB is still a decent player anymore. He is basically a poor man's Melo, except that Melo was at least an elite scorer in his prime. And even Melo is a bad fit on basically every team.

A guy that won't pass the ball the open players isn't a good fit on any team. You'd think he would have figured that out by now.

This. Unless you are desperate for a scorer, you pass on guys like that.

Defense - weak
rebounding - weak
offense - decent, but a black hole that can't pass

Murphy3 · 01-29-2019, 04:40 PM

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Barnes is a bad fit, not a bad player -- his ISO game is just the worst for a Luka-centric team.

Completely agree. he can be a #3 option. I'd prefer it not be here...

Male30Dan · 01-29-2019, 07:31 PM

We need to make a push for a Global Mavs team. Go big with Vucevic at the 5, Kanter at the 4, Bogdanovic at the 3, Buddy Hield at the 2 and Luka at the 1. If you can't get the good Americans to join, get the good Europeans, Bahamians, etc to join!

Some great paint scoring with shooters all around. Not sure how that D would play though...

FreshJive · 01-29-2019, 09:53 PM

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We need to make a push for a Global Mavs team. Go big with Vucevic at the 5, Kanter at the 4, Bogdanovic at the 3, Buddy Hield at the 2 and Luka at the 1. If you can't get the good Americans to join, get the good Europeans, Bahamians, etc to join!

Some great paint scoring with shooters all around. Not sure how that D would play though...

Why not the best Bogdanovic at the 2 and double dip on the Bogdanovics?

Male30Dan · 01-30-2019, 01:55 AM

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Why not the best Bogdanovic at the 2 and double dip on the Bogdanovics?

One can’t have enough Bogdanovics! A marvelous idea sir!

EricaLubarsky · 01-31-2019, 06:47 PM

Free agency has obviously changed

Roster after this year
Porzingis/Powell*/???
Barnes*/???/???
Luka/ ???/ Broekhoff
Hardaway/Lee/???
Brunson/ ???/ ???

27mill to work with if Powell and Barnes opt in (enough for one max contract for a player with 1-6 years in the league)
62 mill to work with if Barnes and Powell opt out

Players expiring
Kleber
Dirk
Barea
Harris
Mejri
DFS

Male30Dan · 01-31-2019, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Free agency has obviously changed

Roster after this year
Porzingis/Powell*/???
Barnes*/???/???
Luka/ ???/ Broekhoff
Hardaway/Lee/???
Brunson/ ???/ ???

27mill to work with if Powell and Barnes opt in (enough for one max contract for a player with 1-6 years in the league)
62 mill to work with if Barnes and Powell opt out

Players expiring
Kleber
Dirk
Barea
Harris
Mejri
DFS

:O at the possibility of 62M WITH Porzingis and Luka already on the team... Man how I hope Barnes/Powell bet on themselves!